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Thu Dec 19, 2013, 04:02 PM

“Men’s rights” groups go mainstream Once seen as a lunatic fringe, reactionary anti-women groups...

“Men’s rights” groups go mainstream

Once seen as a lunatic fringe, reactionary anti-women groups are courting respectability

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The more moderate men’s rights movement also features some high-profile “converts.” Joyce introduces us to Glenn Sacks,a popular fathers’ rights radio host and writer who she describes as “a former feminist and abortion-clinic defender.” Dismissive of the Bernard Chapins of the world, he’s working toward the comparatively modest goals of increasing shared custody and lightening divorced dads’ child-support obligations during the recession.

What’s so wrong with those goals, you may well wonder. As Joyce illustrates, the issues MRAs are pushing are much more complex than they seem. For instance, divorcing parents are usually able to work out custody agreements on their own. Only 15 percent of cases go to court, and, of those, half involve domestic abuse. Tragically, even in those instances, mothers don’t always have the upper hand. A common family-court defense of fathers whose children testify that they are abusive is something called “Parental Alienation Syndrome,” “a medically unrecognized diagnosis that suggests mothers have poisoned their children into making false accusations against their fathers.” Joyce tells the story of Genia Shockome, a woman who spent 30 days in jail and whose husband was awarded full custody of their children, despite the fact that his abuse had left her with post-traumatic stress disorder. Incredibly, Shockome’s story doesn’t end there: After criticizing the judge’s decision in print, her attorney was slapped with a five-year suspension.

As for MRAs’ accusations, inspired by deeply flawed studies, that men and women are equally likely to commit domestic abuse, well, the numbers speak for themselves: “While some men certainly are victims of female domestic violence, advocates say the number is closer to 3 percent to 4 percent, rather than the 45 percent to 50 percent RADAR claims.” Toward the end of her piece, Joyce makes a particularly fascinating point about MRAs’ domestic violence arguments:

Critics like Australian sociologist Michael Flood say that men’s rights movements reflect the tactics of domestic abusers themselves, minimizing existing violence, calling it mutual, and discrediting victims. MRA groups downplay national abuse rates, just as abusers downplay their personal battery; they wage campaigns dismissing most allegations as false, as abusers claim partners are lying about being hit; and they depict the violence as mutual—part of an epidemic of wife-on-husband abuse—as individual batterers rationalize their behavior by saying that the violence was reciprocal. Additionally, MRA groups’ predictions of future violence by fed-up men wronged by the family-law system seem an obvious additional correlation, with the threat of violence seemingly intended to intimidate a community, like a fearful spouse, into compliance.


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http://www.salon.com/2009/11/05/mens_rights/



Figured it was a good time for a refresher.

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Reply “Men’s rights” groups go mainstream Once seen as a lunatic fringe, reactionary anti-women groups... (Original post)
redqueen Dec 2013 OP
Squinch Dec 2013 #1
redqueen Dec 2013 #3
Squinch Dec 2013 #5
smirkymonkey Dec 2013 #9
Squinch Dec 2013 #10
seabeyond Dec 2013 #2
redqueen Dec 2013 #4
Squinch Dec 2013 #6
SoCalNative Dec 2013 #7
ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #8

Response to redqueen (Original post)

Thu Dec 19, 2013, 04:06 PM

1. Kick. I had no idea about the numbers of these guys.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 19, 2013, 04:15 PM

3. Wanna feel sick to your stomach?

Shit like that (that women are responsible for most domestic abuse, that most domestic violence is reciprocal, etc.) has been posted many times on DU. And usually it isn't hidden. It's apparently considered material that's worthy of discussion.

That's how widespread and tolerated this invasive, toxic shit is.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 19, 2013, 04:18 PM

5. Oh, THAT I knew. And all the idiocy about men's life expectancies being proof of their mistreatment

and the idea that any woman who objects to trafficking is a prude, and all the other DU nonsense.

But I thought our own little zoo here was an anomaly. Apparently not.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 09:11 PM

9. What a bunch of crap!

Whenever I hear anything about their life expectancies or their industrial accidents I just want to scream. How exactly is that the fault of women? And their objection to finding sex trafficing a problem? Of course, their right to get off is SO much more important than the actual lives of women and girls. uke:

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 10:05 PM

10. I know. I am pretty certain they do too. But oh, the oppression!

I imagine them swooning while holding the backs of their hands to their foreheads.

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Response to redqueen (Original post)

Thu Dec 19, 2013, 04:07 PM

2. everything feminism gained in teh 70's are backpedaling today, as we are told we are done.

 

my favorite, if i can find it. look at this woman. the power in her stance, the fortitude on her face.



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Response to seabeyond (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 19, 2013, 04:16 PM

4. I love the angry eyes on her sign.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 19, 2013, 04:20 PM

6. I still say only round one of that fight has been fought: these guys were

elected on other platforms. When they got into office they pulled all the ALEC he-man-woman-hating legislation out of their asses and sprang it on everyone.

We have yet to have a new legislative election that shows what the reaction to that is going to be. And if Virginia is any indication, their strategy was a failure.

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Response to redqueen (Original post)

Thu Dec 19, 2013, 04:24 PM

7. Yep

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Response to redqueen (Original post)

Thu Dec 19, 2013, 04:25 PM

8. Well good luck with that

I Post about them because of this push for legitimacy. They're nut jobs, or confused men who wondered into nutjob territory.

What's interesting as they may tend to be conservative, their are plenty of liberals in their ranks. They're a minority, but they need a bright light shining under the rock all the time.

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