i got so mad. i rarely get mad. regardless of what people say or think across computer land.

[seabeyond]

and generally when i get mad, it has more to do with substance. inadequacies or unfairness on du as a whole, rather than with individuals and differing opinions. again, regardless of what people project my way. they are wrong. i am right. cause i am doing me.... not these people across computer land. which ironically, exactly brings me to my point.

(well, that felt good. laughing about the mad, makes me unmad. so if no one reads this post, it has already worked for me.)

i read a post. from a longtimer. there have been enough discussions and he has expressed his views enough, for me to know his position. actually. for everyone to know his position. this is not a call out. not gonna put links or names. that does not matter. it is the words, that were used, that i am addressing. i want to be really really clear on my position. so much so, i am starting an OP in hof so we can discuss our personal clear lines/boundaries. this is one of them. actually, this might be my number one, first line.

i could not even read the rest of the post. why? cause he stepped over my very first line so no need to go any further.

but.... i want to put the words out there. i want to know if these words hit anyone, in the forceful manner they did with me. i almost FELT the forceful energy, thru the screen, per these words.

such a reaction.

Your posts are the evidence on your expertise on call outs, insults, harassment, and talking crap.

I don't have a problem with "uppity woman". In fact I encourage them... If they have a real case. You don't.

what set me off immediately was the "encourage" those uppity women. the first part of the comment matters little. we hear these accusations and insults all the time. meh. but, ... this man "encourages". and i feel so privileged. so allowed.

then i got to the part about a "real" case. kinda like "real" rape. "real" victim. real real real. those lyin' women we see so much of. biological, innately who a woman is. you know. graysons wife BEFORE the video. so many of our rape victims. the little lolita in montana, 13 yr old raped by a 40 something yr old man. he couldnt help it. she led him to her evil way, like eve..... lol, it just goes on and on and on. (the 13 yr old killed herself. meh...)

this was my reply. took all of about 5 seconds or less to type out. i felt this so very very strongly.

you "encourage uppity women" as long as YOU decide they have a "valid case". you know what....?

fuck that shit, i say as a woman. you do not tell me whether i have a valid case. you do not tell me i am uppity cause i say fuck that shit, a man does not tell me if i have a valid case.

that simple. there is no need for me to read another single word in your post. the very beginning. NO

now. i addressed your post. YOUR demand, as a man, of ME, a woman about MY issues, not yours.

RIGHT THERE

NO!!!!

was i clear enough? any questions? do i need to clarify? i do not want you to have to ponder. no need. it is not yours. it is mine. i will do it as i see i need to do it. i will not do ME as YOU see i should do me.

there is no insult. there is no name calling. there is no UPPITY.... for christ sake. this is simply a woman saying NO to you.

so. please. tell me. lol. how did it hit you. i may sit and think about this one..... all day long. as i turn up my music and enjoy this beautiful spring day, breeze thru the windows. candles kicking up scents. birds a chirpin'

i would like to reiterate and make really really clear. i do not care one iota about the poster. this is no way a call out. i copied and pasted words. that is what i want to experience.







this OP so needed a picture. lol. ah ha

[4Q2u2]

1. Did You?

Did you get permission to be mad? Because we would not want you to be both Uppity and Mad without proper authorization.

[seabeyond]

3. you so.... fuckin' .... made me laugh. i am suppose to stop the cussin',

i do not think that is gonna be today. or this thread.

i love it

and for you, you get a huge hug. lol

thank you

see, already incredibly happy. the importance of speaking out. i guess i can wonder if that bothers some, too.

[4Q2u2]

2. Forgot

you picture is short one finger.

[seabeyond]

4. so, so, so.... that is perfect. and tru dat.

i love you

that simple.

but then. i am easy. no lolita, more mother teresa

bustin' me up.

[4Q2u2]

7. Here one of my Favorites

http://imgur.com/9Gsa6

[seabeyond]

8. you know. you are good.

there is a story in this. and yes.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

5. condescending post, it would have pissed me off, too, had it been posted to me.

He can take his encouragement elsewhere, I have no need of it.

Clarification: I have not seen the post nor, the thread. No context needed. Anyone who starts off a post in that manner is not seeking a meeting of the minds but, is posting for their own glorification.

The First Sentence is harassment. Offensive from the get go ... since the poster offends, automatically puts the replier on the defensive.

I do not defend shit.

I don't have to.

Fuck that jive.

[seabeyond]

6. "Fuck that jive.". just that. thank you. nt

[riverwalker]

9. the perfect definition of patronizing

I don't have a problem with "uppity woman". In fact I encourage them... If they have a real case. You don't.

My first reaction is anger. Years ago I would be just be sad, not anymore. Now, as a 62 year old grandmother, it makes me want to get all Beatrix Kiddo on his sorry ass.

[seabeyond]

10. ya. THAT picture. that is my woman. thank you so much. that. nt

[malthaussen]

11. "I have no problem with uppity women."

The fact that he can write that sentence disproves his claim: WTF is an "uppity" woman, except something that he is defining so he may dismiss it at his leisure?

Funny too, isn't it, how the vocabulary never changes? I recollect a time when a different group of human beings was called "uppity" by another. It's considered vulgar to write or speak the other word that went with "uppity" these days, though, but I think many of us can remember.

So yeah, I think you had a right to get mad.

-- Mal

[seabeyond]

13. lol.

i am enjoying your posts, as they go thru the thinking. coolest and a fav of mine.

thanks

[malthaussen]

14. Thank you.

One of the reasons I like the HoF group is that most of the people here seem interested in actually having a discussion, rather than scoring debate points off each other. (Trolls excluded, of course) GD should be renamed JD in my opinion.

-- Mal

[seabeyond]

17. totally... agree. nt

[Tuesday Afternoon]

27. JD ... ?

Justice Dept.

Juvenile Deliquents

Jury Duty

Brain Fart ... ?

[malthaussen]

28. Second guess good.:)

That's what a lot of them seem to act like.

-- Mal

[Tuesday Afternoon]

31. Close Enough -

I thought maybe there was some jargon/lingo inside DU3 terminology that I am missing there.

but, Yeah .... Juvenile Delinquents provide a lot of noise to signal ratio over there.

[malthaussen]

32. Could be "Juvenile Discussion,"

... but that's an oxymoron.

-- Mal

[Tuesday Afternoon]

34. I always thought of GD as short for -

Gawwwwwwww-Daaaammmnn that is some stupid shit.

[BainsBane]

39. Actually it was in response

to my sarcastically referring to myself as uppity.

[kcr]

40. Yep, that phrase alone tells you everything you need to know about a person

And none of it is good.

[MadrasT]

12. "i will not do ME as YOU see i should do me"

^^^ THIS ^^^

I have had a bellyful of men "advising" me how I should be. Those men love to give unsolicited opinions, and then get offended when you aren't hanging on every word of the "advice" that you didn't ask for (or even indicate that you were in any way open to receiving).

If I want advice, I'll ask for it.

If I don't ask for advice, STFU.

You get to be uppity if and when a man (or anybody else) says so?

I don't fucking think so.

You get to be however you want to be, whenever you want to be, based on what you decide. Not because of somebody else's fucking bullshit permission.

Oh, la dee da... we get to be "uppity" if some random dude says the argument passes muster with him.

Fucking wheeee, yee-ha, oooo boy howdy, pinch-me-I'm-dreaming.

Don't know who said it, don't care, just fuck that noise.

[seabeyond]

15. "fuck that noise.". with posts like this, fuck just has to be, huh. cant post about it without

fuck.

just how the fuck am i suppose to not cuss. i fuckin want to know.

ya

that

exactly

[ismnotwasm]

16. And of course

As is typical in these situations, This person has that wonderful wife/SO/girlfriend who agrees with ALL his views. I always wonder how many they had to go through to find a stepford wife.

I also almost never get mad at invisible internet people, but I also decide early on who I think is actually worth my response-- just a few, actually.

Meh. Have a drink, listen to music

[seabeyond]

18. when everything works perfectly to stillness. you....

the nurse, is suggesting i start drinking at 11 in the morning? generally, almost always, i insist/demand that the clock hits 4ish.

bah hahahah

loving the music

thank you

[ismnotwasm]

24. I don't drink at all-- ever

So my drink time zones are quite rusty

[MuseRider]

44. A line from one of my favorite

shows, Arrested Development, paraphrased because I can't remember it perfectly.

Michael goes to see his mother in the morning to discuss something.

She opens the door with a Martini in her had.

"Mother, isn't it a little early to be drinking?"

"Michael, it is always 8AM somewhere in the world."

Hello all! Enjoying your conversation.

[BainsBane]

21. Of course

Especially when they are underwear mannequins in JC Penny's. Not having the ability to speak makes anyone or anything agreeable.

[ismnotwasm]

23. LoL

[malthaussen]

30. The Australian Ideal Wife:

Deaf and dumb and owns a brewery.

-- Mal

[ismnotwasm]

35. That reminds me of a worse one

Involving beer, height and dentation.

[malthaussen]

36. I'm sorry to say I'm not familiar with that one...

... or maybe I'm not sorry to say so.

-- Mal

[ismnotwasm]

37. ..

[get the red out]

19. He gives permission if women have a case

Who died and made him God?

I agree with you completely!

[seabeyond]

22. thank you. lol. i think i am now over it. lol. ya..... nt

[BainsBane]

20. I'm the harasser

and not a "real feminist." Apparently real feminists endorse objectification of women, think EEOC law as founded in the Civil Rights Law of 1964 are oppressive, and "flatter" their male betters when addressing to them. Therefore I am a harasser rather than a "real feminist." A "real feminist" must seek approval from the committee of men who think women like me mouth off to much. I'm a harasser because when someone calls me out in a subrhread in which I'm not participating and posts screen shots attributing bizarre and nefarious motives to my posts, I call him on it. Every real feminist knows a woman's obligation is to serve as a object of rage for random men on the internet. She must never object to being maligned and scapegoated because she knows that men must be able to treat her in any way they choose. If a woman speaks up against such behavior, she is a harasser rather than a real feminist. Real feminists know their place. They don't argue points of which insecure men at war with the progress of the past half century don't approve.

[ismnotwasm]

25. Po' babies

You are so mean, I bet their feelings got hurt. Imagine, challenging the --ahem--Ego

[Squinch]

26. He "encourages" "uppity women" when they have what he considers a "real case."

I don't even need to know who it is to know that he is one of those who MOST LOUDLY protests that he doesn't have any sense of entitlement when it comes to women.

You have to love it.

But, trying to see the other side of the argument, clearly he IS a "real case" so maybe he's thinking it takes one to know one.

But in the end, who knows what these obsolete antiquities think? And, though it is really annoying, the nice thing is that it doesn't matter one whit what their fading reality looks like in their minds.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

29. obsolete antiquities

Love that phrase. Made me giggle. Thanks, Squinch

[Squinch]

33. Well, that makes ME happy!

[BainsBane]

42. More importantly, who cares?

[Squinch]

43. .

[JustAnotherGen]

38. That was a whole lot of

Assery running its course. glad you called it out!

And thankful for the quips and humor on this thread discussing it.

[Texasgal]

41. Hey Sea-