i really cannot get my head around, a man. a man on du,... telling me he wanted me raped.
he wants me raped.
he wants me to choke on cum.
he wants me on all four.
big * cock shoved in mouth
*right here i ask, respectfully. this is what was told to me, on du. it still sits there in transparency for all to see and read. how a man. on du. says he wants me raped. (does he want to rape, i ask?). wants me to choke on cum. wants me on all four. wants a cock shoved in my mouth. now jury. it sits there, for all to read. surely, as the person that actually experienced this, surely as a feminist, in a feminist group, discussing the topic of a man on du wanting me raped, on all fours....
surely i can discuss this in History of Feminism in the crude, vulgar, offensive, filth. surely... i do not have to soften this filth. i do not have to soften the discussion. i do not have to soften.... my fuckin voice)
because i was told, by a man on du. he wants me raped.
i have thought about this the last couple days.
already. a woman has gotten a post hidden. for being disgusted there was a poster that said that shit to me.
that says something.
i am not looking at this from an emotional position. i know. that is the first, quickest, laziest go to for anti feminists. i am not looking at this from an emotional position. though.... i certainly feel a hell of a lot, a man on du telling me he wants me to be raped.
i am certainly not coming from the position of religion. prude. yada yada. not having vapors. or fainting on any damn couch. inevitably, my posts are hidden cause i say it the way it is. the reality of it. the actual words.
and THAT..... is offensive.
can you believe.
anyway. a feminist. a woman. older. wiser. ..... two teen boys dealing in this shit. two nieces dealing in this shit.
i am addressing this in a more academic, intellectual manner. you know. using the brain. not the dick, not the gut, not the heart. or bible.
lets see what happens here. i have been on du over a decade. a lot of time. a lot of talking. a lot of listening. those that fight me most talk censorship. freedom of speech.
yet.... lets really see what their demands are. often, it is a ... shut the fuck up. women. we get it all the time. right?
i love it. got this song. "nelson in jail. simpson on the mountain???
didnt give a fuck." it is a song.
i tell you. i am ready to walk. i do not know what i want to do. but... listening to this song. i gotta get up and dance. lol. so leaving it here.
"mohummund ali has won
by a knock down. by a knock down"
i need to find out who wrote it. my son gave me my music. love the song.
point. then i am going for a walk.
i dunno. doesnt it just seem to matter. that we would have a man say this shit. ????
talking about male ego. and how it must be coddled.
lol lol. and on edit.... to clearly say. i need no sympathy or condolences or anything. pffft. some nobody is talking like he is doing a porn shit.
pffft. right? cause it is not like it is not continually in our lives anymore.
just all that this says. after a decade...
this is where we sit.
it wouldn't surprise me to see something like that on a GOP website, but not on ours. Totally inappropriate!!
sorry, move on and nothing to see here... is not working for me.
i get you are and many are. put the effort to stop. disgusted. i get that. and ok. so...
now. i am talking about it. cause it says fuckin... everything. we are talking about, in this group
want it on du.
me talking about it is not a lack of appreciation for what people did. i listened to process. and almost totally thumbs up. though i do not particularly like a rape skit of me, they forever. i know some things have been flat out deleted,. when it is like.... murder or possibly..? rape? maybe rape can meet the criteria of a flat out delete. i dunno. those of us that have experienced rape may not want to have that there you know... sensitivity kinda thing.
which takes me a step closer. to people really think, you know. sex. yum. fantasy. so how big a deal is rape. really. jokes, ha ha can be funny. hey, they can get me off. tie in stories, historical facts, .....
merely conversation. thinking thru. on a subject pretty important. rape.
BUT.... know. lol, i recognize and appreciate the efforts. i know it really mattered to some. i have heard from them.
I am so sorry that happened, and glad he was banned, but still, wow.
I may not always agree with you or condone how you handle specific situations, but for anyone to post comments like that on any Website is completely inappropriate. My sympathies that you had to read that filth.
a commentator that receives respect calling women that testify whores, sluts, make a video...
got... mere entertainment
more outrage at the theft of crabs... ya, i went there, than raping a woman.
rape jokes, no means yes chants
why? does it have to get to that level? for many. that level simply is not high enough cause.... this.
is our world.
I read no more than a few lines of your post after I realized the seriousness of the event.
Do what you can to have the person who wrote this filth arrested for verbal battery.
holding up a beer in cheers.
violent, anti-social ideations and should be in prison.
sure. but legally, i am not seeing anything.
get your picture on the cover of rollin stones.....
on the cover of the rolling stones.
my son picked such fun songs. lol. hard to be all that in serious and outrage, when i am enjoying my day so much. funny.
They, or seabeyond, should forward the information to the office of the U.S. Attorney General.
ya know. each of the names. comes onto threads. and demands. they to be called feminists. that their voice, can silence mine, ... cause they too are feminists. these men. those three names.
they stomp their feet. insist. the stand with women. and her right to be a prostitute, do porn, take shirt off to rebel.
these men. are equal feminists.
Because of your posting style, you are often mistaken for ESL-- I've seen disgusting attacks on you from that perspective as well. The picture was racist in the extreme.
So you has a racist, misogynist piece of shit who couldn't handle you without violence. Couldn't handle a self-identified woman stream of ones and zeros on the fucking internet.
For the record, I have had personal jabs made at me, on here, because of my heritage.
They did not rise to this level but, a line was crossed.
I am very much interested in how all this is to be handled.
Sea, has my full support.
thinking a black dick would be more offensive than a white. cause to THIS little white boy.... throwing out his racist insults, he sees a black penis as bad/scary(?).
all it says is how much fear this dude lives in from blacks and women.
that .... is the racist saying, look at me. look at me.
and us adults turning to look at his show, under the lights... loook at meeee....
yes. he was clearly as much about racism... and SOME white mans fear.... as misogyny. sick little dude.
and this post is not about being bold, but, i do not know how to talk about this particular FLAVOR of racism, that we all recognize, without using the words i did. and this is so not being given to whites or men as a whole... either. at all. not this one.
am I understanding correctly? Sorry, sea ... I did not keep up with that thread. This last week has been hectic for me and I am limiting my time and support for DU3 because of these very issues.
I guess you can say I have been silenced by my own choosing because I can not take watching what DU is becoming.
My voice on the jury has been silenced because of my hides also due to the fact that I refuse to renew my star until I see a more Proactive stance taken by the Admin on this issue, I am only at 20% chance of being selected.
of what he was getting off on.
he registered with a new name. made a post with some more misogyist slurs. a picture to make his point. and a threat to all of du..
du could NEVER get rid of him, cause this is his mission in life....
that troll was kicked off. with an immediate hide, it is a delete. not a mere hide.
have to run. work today. will check in via iphone but, replies will be limited and short.
of a big black penis being shoved into a small white woman's mouth.
Like Sea said, big black = scary. something to be afraid of. There is not a magical line that keeps misogyny and racismexclusive of each other. Where you find one, you most likely will find the other in a person.
That whole subthread of his hopefully has been deleted. Obnoxious would be a hyperbolic understatement. (if that is possible) yes the poster has been banned, but through the course of his tenure here, he has been high fived and cheered on as having keen insights and a way to get things across.
He served on juries and had almost 1500 posts. Did some damage while he was here.
Hey, the women folk are supposed to ignore that shit and educate on the issues. When the say things like "fuck that shit", they will get the hide, while the instigator gets high-fived for their efforts.
WTF does anyone here have to put up with sexist misogynistic racist bullshit.
Plus when you do some edumacating of the dumbasses, they get all hoity toity that you would even dare.
FUCK THAT SHIT.
saying you want to rape someone should be a CLEAR crossing of the line, period.
and how much you wanna bet this dude has sock puppets lined up?
last night i came up on two other newbies i have checked in the past. they immediately walk into certain conversations, knowing the players.
one has 25 juries under his belt
and oh what a hell hole it makes this place, having such things said and done to a person that happens to post here quite often.
I hope seabeyond turns this poster that has been "banned" (HA! Probably back under a new alias already) to the authorities as I suggested to her.
This is beyond the pale IMO.
thanks for your post. especially your OP and your comment. gonna take off. but, i really liked and appreciated what you said. the point made.
And on a message board that prides itself on its progressivism, being to the left of the broader society, etc....
I am so sorry!
I didn't see this specific incident, but I did see hidden posts from a "previously banned troll" that were incredibly offensive, sexist, hurtful...you name it, and they were directed primarily at you, but not just you...they were meant to belittle, bully into submission, and scare off any feminists or allies of feminists from this site.
It was toward the end of that sub-thread in WilliamPitt's thread, 'We raise our daughters to cater to fragile male egos"(paraphrased)...is that the same poster who was responsible for this incident? If so, good riddance to bad rubbish. If not...well, another banned disgusting piece of garbage!
Fucking crazy, these people....again, I am sorry you went through this!
beginning of the thread. VN
For those of you who follow the feminist blogosphere, you know that women are continually threatened with rape, dismemberment, all kinds of violence in areas as seemingly benign as comic-cons to the atheist movement to putting Jane Austin on English currency. Anywhere women's voices are becoming stronger, this is extremely common. The attack on Seabeyond is what happens on Sites with unmoderated or poorly moderated comments every single day
That it reached here in such a manner was a matter of time. It's become the preferred method to silence women.
These men (and they are virtually exclusively men, for the record) who threaten women with all kinds of horrific violence, rape, murder, engage in that beyond-vile behavior because they can. They feel emboldened by the broader society's silence about violence against women, and they are enabled by the power inequalities between men and women in society.
Every social movement for positive change encounters an angry, violent, extreme backlash, at one point or another. This has been the norm throughout history. So in a way, what seabeyond experienced wasn't much of a surprise-but at the same time, that doesn't justify or excuse this utterly repulsive behavior. If anything, this should be a wake-up call to everyone on or who reads DU that the struggle for women's rights and equality is far, far from over.
The cudgel doesn't always have to be brandished as explicitly as it was by seabeyond's attacker, because it's always there, and the threat is understood on a gut level even when the cudgel is hidden away.
And a woman lives under that threat all the time.
Am I getting the picture right? Because I'm dumb and I'm slow and I'm all "gosh, really?" about the shit that women are put through. But sometimes even I start to get the picture. And when I do start to get the picture, what I see is infuriating.
as much as i would like to put them behind me and not place them in front, any longer, knowing there are men snickering here on du, that another man put these words out, to me. i feel it is very important.
cause it is shame and humiliation they are using. to shut women up.
taking these words away from the bottomfeeder, and putting them up to the light for all of du to see, takes the power away from the bottom feeder. he no longer has the ownership. he is no longer humiliating me with the words. it has shifted. brought to light, that shines on him... a spotlight as he huddles in the gutter of shadows trying to hide.
ok. dramatic. and was fun.
out the net. to create hostile environment for women. so we will not participate or shut the fuck up. i want people to clearly know... here too. for me, it has not gotten to rape. this is my first "get raped" scenario. i have been put into porn scripts though. that one is not new.
I can only hope that display is not repeated in that person's daily behavior nor inflicted upon others IRL.
that it was directed at you.
What you post here is not radical. It isn't extreme. It isn't doing anything but saying, "I deserve respect, I deserve autonomy, and I deserve to be treated as if I am worth the same as anyone else." And just that, just that obvious sentiment, has been met with violence and a need to silence. And violence and a need to silence are always the outward signs of extreme terror. Just your simple statements has put such a fear into these men that they need to decide you are not worthy to be considered human.
And those were both posters who were here for a long time. Who we have been conversing with for a long time.
They are here on DU, and in many threads they are encouraged and egged on. And the satisfaction we are supposed to derive from it is that our responses to it educate people.
I am sorry you had to experience that. I suspect that those two will be back, and I suspect they have many compatriots who are still here.
There are times that SB and I butt heads, indeed, there are some issues that we disagree on (she knows), we have the courage to actually respect each other and argue. I used an analogy of sparring partners, you engage in debate with people who challenge you, and you become stronger and better for the experience.
These "men" (and I use that in the loosest term) want to backstab. They do not even have the courage to FIGHT. They shun the light. And they have the nerve to come here, as if they represent liberals.
Let me break it down for these fools:
To the MRA and other assorted haters of feminists: unless you believe that all people have equal rights, regardless of race, creed, color, OR gender, you are NOT a democrat. You do not belong here.
To the same people mentioned above: No, things were not better in the good old days when white males or other males had the dominant voice. If you think they were, you are not a democrat, because democrats realize that those times hurt a lot of people, and frankly, were not all that good even for the white males, because the lack of solidarity between them and the rest of America made it easier for the Oligarchs to manipulate them. The reason groups are egging you on is because after you attacked the women and other minorities, they will turn around and say "see, if ya only did what we told ya before, ya wooda been happy!"
Only Solidarity, the realization that the myths we have been sold are mostly BULLSHIT, will free us, because as long as we want some vision of a time that never was, we will be forced to repeat the same damned cycle.
They both need professional help, and neither is likely to have the courage to face that fact so I pray that any women in their lives are able to escape unharmed.
As for the more general guy pining for the good old days that never were, I agree with you. I have said for a long time that the myths are responsible for much of the damage. Men are lagging behind women in confronting those myths for themselves, and there will be little progress made until men change the way they talk to each other. When the misogynist threads come up, every sane man among us should be piling on the offenders and letting them know it is not acceptable among men.
One common misconception is that men are most interested in impressing women. This is simply not true. Men's status generally derives from what other men think of them, and on some level all men know this.
This issue goes way beyond politics.
he and his sock got kicked off. he registered a new name. t hat one was the worst. not even the picture. just the ugliest of who he is. you could visually see the stink rising off him. that post was automatically deleted cause he was new.
I was pretty upset by the the one I alerted. I think it's pretty obvious that VN is a horribly bitter creature.
I seem to remember one of his posts complaining that women on campus are so shallow that they're not attracted to him because he's short. After the recent demonstration of his filthy attitude toward women, it's pretty safe to assume not being attracted to him has nothing to do with his physical stature and everything to do with his warped mind.
Forgot about that thread. There was more in that with what was going on at the time. Appreciate your support in that thread.
Related to a post in the host forum.
Bad stuff posted for shock value without warning.
and here i was hearing it play out. thanks a fuckin lot. ya. no. not all of us want to live the constant bottomfeeder ugly.
i heard that and dawning what i was listening to... and huge ass, fuck
I hope that thread helped to open the eyes of those who seem determined to deny or ignore the destructive attitude some people on this site have about women's issues.
It was ineveitable... they have been pushing it one step farther, a little at a time... nothing really happens and then it comes to this.
It takes something THIS BAD before an asshole like that gets the banhammer. Come on, that one was obvious as hell for a long time running.
I used to love DU precisely *because* the moderation system did not allow personal attacks or let jackassery go too far.
Now the inmates are running the asylum, and I am sorry but hidden posts and a ban are not good enough. That kind of shit should be vaporized forever... not sitting there festering behind a link that will redisplay that hatred with a simple click, while the offender is off giggling in his basement over his childish, cowardly little display.
Asshole haters like that are crawling all over the internet, and they have taken up residence here too.
And nobody gives a fuck... we are supposed to "educate", while the daily micro agressions continue... until it turns into this.
I am sorry this happened to you, seabeyond.
On edit: I just read that post, as well as the other hidden posts in that terrible subthread. Good riddance to those assholes.
considering that those words alone are enough to get people fired, not to mention arrested, the fact this is on DU is a real shame.
To all the folks who go "eh", there is a big disagreement with believing something opposite to what someone believes, and hating them. There is even a big gulf between HATING someone, and acting on that hate. And below that foul level, there is someone who would take a political disagreement and use that as an excuse for bad rape porn. These are things no one should have escaped the tenth grade without learning.
Really, how does telling a woman you want to (insert porn garbage) advance democracy? Even the GOP knows they cannot admit they want to (blank) someone's (blank), they just have to approve whenever someone does it. If you think rape porn is political discourse, then kindly get thyself to Free Republic.
And Mods...I know you are tired of hearing how much the jury system sucks, especially as you dropped it because a bunch of liars assumed the only reason they got called on their crap was because of money. However, at the risk of being a White Knight (tm), you have seen the way folks like Seabeyond have been harassed on here. You have seen the same faces come on, cheering whenever someone scores a point, and then they come and threaten to "straighten out" whoever disagrees. This has got to stop, because the day rape humor becomes a way to shut women up, we will allow ourselves to be the people we hate and fear.
And by the way, showing solidarity with people that can be insulted because they are not White males is not being a white knight. Maybe the MRAs should see who THEY have solidarity with, and then at least when they go GOP, we can know they wear the enemy's uniform.
Here we are, in the Democrats, ready to possibly choose between Hillary Clinton and Liz Warren (or any number of ladies like a Kathleen Sibelius or Kirsten Gillibrand that could easily throw their hat in the ring) and what do we have,
A threat to rape someone.
Shit that would get people arrested!
Shit people have been sued for!
All by some Keyboard Warlord that calls himself a DEMOCRAT!
some guy cheered on here, and is probably deploying a sock puppet as we speak!
I will bet that whatever example of manhood would love to hear someone say that to his mother/sister/etc. (sarcasm flag flown way high)
Considering that the one of the few things that stands in the way of GOP dominance is the fact that women know the GOP wants to return them to the days of barefoot pregnancy, the behavior of certain "males" is shocking!
However, do not leave, because frankly, the scum knows that if they can drive us off, they win. Sooner or later, the keyboard warlords get exposed, and the joy of seeing them melt in the sunlight is worth the wait.
been strangely silent about his threatening rape fantasy which finally ended his mission here.
how so many keyboard cowboys were waving the flag high, then run from it?
Sad part is, these are pople that claim to be Democrat.
I understand the idea behins the "big tent" but it has been abused.
While it's hard to conceive of someone being a Democrat who is so hostile to women and people of color, the fact is the issue goes far beyond political affiliation. Whether or not one engages in that kind of behavior, eggs it on, remains silent, or condemns it is less about political ideology than basic humanity. It is the latter that some are clearly lacking.
Yesterday I saw several of them accusing Boston Bean of stoking a "gender war" for posting a poll. That is what they decided was objectionable, not threats of rape and death. Even when I pointed out the stark disparity in outrage at her poll in comparison to the silence about the threats against Sea, one member refused to say those violent threats were worse than posting a poll he didn't like. When someone is at the point where he thinks a feminist post he doesn't like can even compare to threats of rape and death, they are beyond reach. "Teachable moments," as Skinner refers to them, are worthless in such cases. It is truly frightening to know people like that exist on the planet, let alone in this online community.
i listen to what you say here, and ya. duh. really? and ya... to all you say. the silence....
here the crickets in the wind.
very interesting. fug. i just came seeing more and more interesting. that is why i wanted to start the thread. not a fun thread for sure. but... "Teachable moments," i will take it. it has taught me a hell of a lot. as did another thread, that has crickets... my 200 girls. that has been a huge "Teachable moments," for me.
just makes me that much smarter. grounded. strong. articulate and precise.
kick ass ready
so, the guys..... may not want to embrace the teachable moment, but.... even in their silence, cause i love to learn to get that much better, i will take that "Teachable moments,"
just get louder, bolder, stronger.
it is all good.
They were criticizing a thread by a feminist for stoking "gender wars." I pointed out that what one objects to speaks volumes and pointed to VN's threats against Sea (though I didn't name her). One refused to concede that threatening rape and death was worse than posting a poll he didn't like. Truly shocking, and it reveals a hatred for women that goes far beyond VN.
that i clearly take care of in many ways, often expressing on du, the many parenting experiences i have, all in fuggin' love. tell me. that as a feminist, my feminism takes precedent over my boys. my boys health, and welfare. my boys education. and success in life. feminism takes precedent over my boys future.
you know what.
that one gets the finger much faster than the rape and porn skit the bottomfeeder provided.
to criticize someone's parenting when one doesn't know them and have never even seen them with their kids. I can see why that pissed you off so much.
Additionally, why should there be any contradiction between feminism and raising boys? Shouldn't we all want our children to value all human beings, regardless of gender, race, or sexuality?
Whoever wishes that upon anyone is in need of emotional help.
I don't always love what you post, Sea, but in this sorry episode you have my support 100%.
Not sure what can be done legally, but worth looking into.
and let them deal with this SOB!!!
I can certainly understand why you are about "done" with DU3 or whatever it has become.
It hasn't been a favorite place of mine any longer, that much I can guarantee!
Go after this SOB before his sick mind does something to a real person!
a whole new direction.
That rape is a crime of violence, not sex.
Rape has always been about the violence, the domination, the humiliation, and the shaming of another; it has never been about anything else.
Speaking as an owner/operator of a penis, there is absolutely no validity to the meme that an erect penis lowers the ability to think or made good judgments. And as an owner/operator, I am sorry you had to go through that shit.
in our face. yes. thank you for saying this so well. it is a clear guide for all that are blind, blurred, or looking away.
Rape has always been about the violence, the domination, the humiliation, and the shaming of another; it has never been about anything else.
50, i have to say, you just feel like a friend that would be sittin in chat with me. this is merely, simply how the men are in my life. and why i see such a struggle for so many, i do not know. and they say, .... i am all emotional, hysterical or whatever. sigh...
i assure my boys, their penis does not have a brain, does not deserved to be named cause it is not its own entity. thank you for a very simple statement that is a reality, we all really know anyway, and does not in any way, shape or form, lessen you masculinity or manhood. i say in love. lol
i have not read a lot of your posts. but, your posts are just always comfortable.
from that perspective. i was not seeing that at all. the thing. i am pretty literal in that area. and what i do. i can not see any laws broken. at all.
so i ask, what would be the point. what would be the action.
we see literal RAPE of an underage girl on internet, and harassed to her death. nothing. he did not threaten to rape me, he mouthed off a porn scene for himself to get off on.
now. isnt that what we fight for on du????? all these men to legally create women as their porn to get off on? didnt he just take this from the step of "actor", to a RL person being his actor... i feel so japan. and their (without a live person) sticky hands.
isnt that all that bottomfeeder did? what men continually and consistently, repeatedly do to women? that we try to give a teachable moment, and they all cry their right... to make some strange woman their porn?
i mean. literally, we have duers that say you are NOT a democrat if you do not support, encourage, applaud his RIGHT to do just this to women.
is this not where the "battle" is? them fighting for their right to do exactly what this bottomfeeder did. adn my right to not be made this bottomfeeders fuckin porn.
so.... do you see my conflict.
And report this brutal behavior to the appropriate authorities. He will do this again.
A sick man (or teen) was unmasked here, and too many still count themselves as his supporters. The mods should have zero tolerance toward those who spew hatred toward the more liberal half of the Dem party. The regressive RW ideas spread about women here betray their hatred of women.
This shit doesn't belong here. Zero fucking tolerance for RW bullshit is the answer.
So, one of the broken men who denies rape culture exists threatened you with rape. There is an irony in him that he cannot see...
Will his friends on DU (those who have dramatically supported his sentiments, and those who have had their sentiment supported by him) continue on, rationalizing his outburst as being goaded or baited into? Will they illustrate the courage and the righteousness of their own convictions by rallying around both him and his socks? Will they seek to have his serious and respected voice of gravitas reinstated?
Or (and I find this much more likely to happen) will they quickly and quietly revise their own memories so that he simply does not exist anymore (false memories, I think they refer to as such), and masterfully feign indignation that anyone would ever associate his words with theirs?
On a more serious note-- you were threatened. It may be wise to take this a wee further than the Admins, and have a quiet talk with a law enforcement officer. Better to be safe.
who make a point of regularly attacking HOF members and Sea in particular. None have showed the slightest concern. One went so far as to assert he "couldn't say" whether those threats to Sea were worse than a poll he didn't like by Boston Bean.
Unfortunately abusers and their apologists can be found everywhere.
Even these need mutual consent so, with your permission,
left to stand.
Oh no wait I totally can.
The fact that men feel entitled to abuse women proves that our society is profoundly ill.
Exactly. That is the point of all the public harassment of anyone who disturbs or threatens the part of the status quo that these anti-feminist types like.
They use any and all means to try to stop people from voicing ideas that threaten their privileges.
I tend to avoid those threads now because my misguided efforts to calm things were just muddying the stream.
That sort of behavior is all over the internet; it's kind of an "E-rape". Horrible, ugly people; all rage, no humanity.
I peruse an online art community occasionally. The comments to female artists, even minor females, are terrible.
I'm sorry this despicable piece of excrement tried to hurt you.