"Young men need to be socialized in such a way that rape is as unthinkable to them as cannibalism."

[KitSileya]

"Young men need to be socialized in such a way that rape is as unthinkable to them as cannibalism."

- Mary Pipher, Reviving Ophelia


What a powerful quote. That is what we are working towards. That is the way young men should be raised, by their parents, their relatives, the society they live in.

[ismnotwasm]

1. This, exactly

Perfect.

[KitSileya]

4. Yes, isn't it?

I saw it on Tumblr, and couldn't not share here.

[Kalidurga]

2. That is a great quote

I would prefer rape to be more taboo than canibalism (the Donner Party kind, not the murder and eat kind).

[KitSileya]

5. Yeah - like the few posters here (and we know who they are)

who thought that some girl should have sacrificed herself so that the Isla Vista shooter didn't kill anyone, should be told that they have been chosen to sacrifice themselves the next time someone gets an urge to eat human flesh. It's not like it's fatal; they can just amputate a foot, so that the cannibal gets a nice juicy thigh.....

[seabeyond]

9. ha. and i literally got a hide for saying.... serve our girls up. lol. ya. nt

[KitSileya]

10. The obsession some posters have with you is scary.

They are completely incapable of reasoning when they see a post by you, and they fear you and loathe you in equal parts, I think. It is quite scary, and you are the more to be admired for being able to keep going in spite of them.

[seabeyond]

17. this great experiment certainly has been a learning experience. i was telling someone

just today. what du has become is a micro of the macro and we are getting a practice run on how to address it here on du, as we address it in the real world. it certainly allows one to articulate and define the argument.

[nomorenomore08]

28. I agree. Don't really know what their deal is, but it's kind of creepy. n/t

[calimary]

19. Well, THIS DUer still loves you!

They hid your post for that? Nobody has a sense of humor anymore (however twisted a sense of humor it might be)?

[seabeyond]

32. right back atcha, woman. nt

[Arkansas Granny]

3. I'll agree with that.

[NYC_SKP]

6. Recommended. (nt)

[progressoid]

7. Rec!

[BlancheSplanchnik]

8. Once, years ago, I heard a PSA on Air America (that's how long ago)...

It was a PSA modelling a father teaching his son that the portrayal of the girl characters in his story book were negative, unreasonable, disempowering.....


I was so shocked I nearly drove into the ditch. I'd NEVER heard such a thing. And sadly, I haven't heard it anywhere since.

[KitSileya]

11. It is so elementary, and it is so scary that so many men think that it is wrong.

They actively resist changing our culture to one where rape is seen as on par with cannibalism. Some women too, of course, but too many men think teaching young men anything positive about women is wrong. It is mind-blowing, and it makes it even more incredible when we encounter situations where men teach boys and young men feminist values.

[Dont call me Shirley]

14. Because males are still stuck in the mistaken belief that females are their property

And with the rise in the Christian wrong movement, many more females are being convinced to give up their sovereignty as humans.

[Drale]

12. Personally as a young man

I would turn to cannibalism before I raped someone.

[Dont call me Shirley]

15. Thank you

[Helen Borg]

16. Like the NY Cannibal Cop?

That is a weird statement...

[littlemissmartypants]

22. If you die and I am starving to death ...

I'm jus sayin...

Love, Peace and Shelter.
Lmsp 🙅 🙌 🙆

[Helen Borg]

24. Oh, OK. :)

I thought it meant that you'd rather cannibalize me than rape me, and I got a bit worried

[bravenak]

34. Here you go.

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

On Wed Sep 24, 2014, 12:55 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Personally as a young man
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1255&pid=51352

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is just a disgusting post. Either way you slice it, wtf.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Sep 24, 2014, 01:04 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Cannibalismo is reprehensible. Almost as bad as being a Cubs fan.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: People need to stop being so petty on this discussions. I am not having a problem with the comments.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Perhaps the alerter should find less provocative threads to read.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: He didn't say he'd murder. Just eat the bodies laying around? Whatever.... I think this was simply an anti rape post gone strange.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[seabeyond]

35. i like the anti rape post gone weird, myself. nt

[bravenak]

36. That was me.

I couldn't find a better way to phrase it.

[seabeyond]

37. lol. was it? too funny. i think you were right on. nt

[bravenak]

38. I had been talking about that movie 'Alive' yesterday.

I figured it was something like that. I will forever link rape to cannibalism now. Thanks to this thread, and the cubs fan up there.

[freshwest]

13. Back in the stone ages, young men my age treated batterers and rapists as criminals.

And that battering and rape were serious crimes and the perpetrators belonged in prison or worse.

Media has now made an art of it and a game to see who wins by scoring their acts. I'd like to ask them what prize do they really think they are getting, hurting another human being, but I think I know the answer.

Fortunately, young males I know IRL aren't sick like that, don't accept that way of thinking. As to those who do, they'd tell me to STFU, and it makes you wonder, reading their online rants about feminists, what they are doing IRL. I don't expect personalities to change much when they have left the keyboard. JMHO.

[nomorenomore08]

29. "it makes you wonder, reading their online rants about feminists, what they are doing IRL..."

Me too. I get a downright scary vibe from some of these dudes.

[calimary]

18. Another great one for my quotes collection!

GREAT one!!! Thanks for posting it, KitSileya!

EXCELLENT!!!!!

[ismnotwasm]

20. Kind of OT but I'm rereading this book and found this ancient poem about Eve

Written by the eventually suppressed gnostic cult, the book explores how sexual mores became ingrained, before and after Christianity took over the Roman Empire The gnostic's were many sects-- not uniform at all, but a surprising number revered Eve as wisdom.


“An extraordinary gnostic poem called Thunder: Perfect Mind depicts the spirit, manifested variously as Wisdom and as Eve, speaking as follows:
I am the first and the last.
I am the honored one and the scorned one.
I am the whore and the holy one.
I am the wife and the virgin.
I am the bride and the bridegroom,
    and it is my husband who begot me.
I am knowledge and ignorance …
I am foolish and I am wise …
I am the one whom they call life [Eve]
    and you have called Death.…”

Excerpt From: Pagels, Elaine. “Adam, Eve, and the Serpent.” Vintage Books, 2011-09-21. iBooks.
This material may be protected by copyright.

[littlemissmartypants]

25. I love that.

I hear it as a chant in a ceremony. It would be cool to produce today as an art piece.

[nomorenomore08]

30. Totally. I have no talent for the visual arts, but someone who does should get on that.

[littlemissmartypants]

21. What a sellacious remark.

I am averse to the notion from this quote and the perspective is troublesome.
Love, Peace and Shelter.
Lmsp 🙌

[KitSileya]

33. I'm sorry, but I cannot parse your meaning.

Are you saying that Mary Pipher is just interested in money, and that therefore you are against what the quote says, and that you find the idea of making rape anathema is troublesome?

[littlemissmartypants]

39. Comparing rape to cannibalism. I find that disturbing. nt

[KitSileya]

40. You don't agree that rape should be as unacceptable as cannibalism?

If we managed to change our culture to the point where a majority of people felt as much revulsion about sex without enthusiastic consent from both parties as we do today for eating human flesh, we would have really managed to advance. Today, we make all sorts of excuses for rape, or blame the victim, or argue that it wasn't rape, and even many of the victims of rape decide whether they were raped based on the perceived intent of the rapist ('He was drunk, he didn't realize what he was doing.' 'He is my boyfriend, so he must have misunderstood.')

No, I find the comparison very apt. We want rape to be as unacceptable as cannibalism. As simple as that.

[noiretextatique]

41. cannabalism is taboo, and rape should be too, but it is not

like any analogy, it is not a literal comparison, but a comparison for the purpose of explanation. but i do understand why you find it disturbing.

[Bette Noir]

23. Can't find the original post, sorry,

but there was a story going around the 'net the other day, by a woman who heard a man saying that a provocatively dressed woman should expect to be raped. "It'd be like putting a steak in front of a dog, and expecting him to not eat it."

She went home, put a steak on the floor, and told her dogs, "No." One dog didn't approach. The other needed to be told, "No," a second time, but did leave it alone until she picked it up and ate it herself. Her conclusion is that the men the man she had heard talking about were less well-socialized than her dogs, and should probably be neutered and kept on a leash.

[seabeyond]

27. interesting that. and true. nt

[nomorenomore08]

31. And these guys don't even seem to perceive how they implictly dehumanize themselves

with the dumbass human/animal analogies they always make.

[riversedge]

26. I read that book years ago....barely

recall that quote but spot on!