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ismnotwasm

(41,952 posts)
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 06:50 PM Nov 2014

Why is paying for sex legal in so many countries? Because the laws are made by men

Why do parliaments reject legislation to criminalise those who pay for sexual access to female bodies? Because of the deep misogyny carved into the male power structures of our world. No wonder the second class status of women is upheld, when the spurious idea that we exist for the use and entertainment of men is promoted at governmental level.

Like many campaigners who have personal experience of prostitution, I support the "Nordic model", which criminalises the demand for paid sexual access to people, decriminalises those who are so exploited, and offers exit routes including education and training. It can only be objected to from a standpoint that refuses to view women as fully viable humans on a par with men. The reason for this is simple: the overwhelming majority of those exploited in prostitution are female. Added to that, many are adolescent girls below the age of consent. I know from first-hand experience that very often females are prostituted before they've even reached the age of sexual consent. That was the case for me also; I was 15 years old when I was coerced into prostitution by an adult male.

From my the seven years I spent in prostitution, I also know is that most women and girls are there because of social marginalisation - with the causes ranging from educational disadvantage to outright destitution. I and the other teenage girls who prostituted themselves alongside me in the early 1990s would sometimes, but rarely, talk about how we might get out of that life. The conversations were rare because it was generally accepted that there was no way out. Had the Nordic model existed in Ireland of the 1990s, along with decriminalising us, it would have offered us help with housing, childcare, addiction and the all-important education and training so that we would have had a real and viable way out. It is both saddening and disturbing to see the level of political opposition to the only legal framework that has ever sought to address prostitution from a human rights perspective. This is simply the only law on earth that assumes, as a starting point, that prostituted persons are worth more than what the circumstances of their lives have forced them to accept.

The Nordic model is also a gender-neutral law, and rightly so. It recognises prostitution as a system of exploitation generally entered into under extreme coercion and that such exploitation should is never acceptable, regardless of a person’s biological sex. This is fair and just. Prostitution is simply incompatible with the dignity of human beings. But while we are talking about biological sex, let’s not forget which sex is responsible for the demand for prostitution in the first place. According to Detective Inspector Simon Haggstrom of the Stockholm Police Prostitution Unit, in the 15 years since the sex buyers law has been implemented in Sweden, not one woman has been found paying for sex. Not one.


http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/11/why-paying-sex-legal-so-many-countries-because-laws-are-made-men
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Why is paying for sex legal in so many countries? Because the laws are made by men (Original Post) ismnotwasm Nov 2014 OP
Does the Nordic model impact the production of porn? Shivering Jemmy Nov 2014 #1
Free speech/enforceability issues with porn, and it's the virtual commodification geek tragedy Nov 2014 #2
But does Sweden have the same guarantee of free speech as we do? Shivering Jemmy Nov 2014 #3
They had some crazy child pornography laws, it changed from no laws to nearly convicting jakeXT Nov 2014 #5
Several years ago the house next door was rented to a single woman whose 5 year old would CTyankee Nov 2014 #6
but, but ... Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2014 #4

Shivering Jemmy

(900 posts)
1. Does the Nordic model impact the production of porn?
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 09:55 PM
Nov 2014

I have never really seen the difference between porn and prostitution. In both cases someone is selling sexual access to their bodies.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
2. Free speech/enforceability issues with porn, and it's the virtual commodification
Thu Nov 20, 2014, 01:43 AM
Nov 2014

of women and men's bodies, whereas prostitution is a direct, large scale commodification.

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
5. They had some crazy child pornography laws, it changed from no laws to nearly convicting
Thu Nov 20, 2014, 04:38 PM
Nov 2014

a translator of manga comics.


Sweden to tighten child pornography laws

Published: 02 Nov 2009 14:39 GMT+01:00

Sweden's government is meeting on Monday to bring forward new legislation that will prohibit the viewing of child pornography. The centre-right government is also hoping to put in place more rigorous age restrictions regarding the production of pornographic material.

http://www.thelocal.se/20091102/23022


Swedish national library verifies child porn mags
Published: 15 Sep 2010 08:53 GMT+02:00

The investigation, which relied on assistance of experts from the police’s special taskforce on child pornography, came after the library was reported last year for violating Sweden’s laws prohibiting the possession and distribution of child pornography.

The library, knows as Kungliga Biblioteket (‘The Royal Library’), has now asked for guidance from the government on how to proceed.

“We want to know if our librarians are breaking some law when they lend out material featuring child pornography,” library spokesperson Rickard Carlsson told Sveriges Television (SVT).


...

The collection at the library was built up in the years between 1971, when the possession, distribution and display of child pornography was legalized in Sweden, and 1980, when the law was repealed.

http://www.thelocal.se/20100915/29004



Swedish manga cartoon translator cleared of child porn

16 June 2012

A Swedish translator of Japanese-style manga comics has been cleared of child pornography charges in a case that has sparked debate about whether cartoon characters can be considered people.

Simon Lundstroem had appealed to the Supreme Court against his conviction for possessing 39 sexual images depicting young-looking characters drawn in manga style.

Manga is a hugely popular genre in Japan. There are magazines for children, adults and senior citizens, and titles targeted at special interest groups such as golfers, businessmen and new mothers.

"There's a lot of sex," says Fredrik Stroemberg, chairman of Sweden's cartoon association, Seriefraemjandet, "and a lot of violence." A small number of titles have explicit content.

Child pornography is illegal in Sweden but it was not clear whether the definition extended to cartoon characters.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-18430725

CTyankee

(63,880 posts)
6. Several years ago the house next door was rented to a single woman whose 5 year old would
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 05:20 PM
Nov 2014

be dropped off to her by her ex two weekends of each month. On the other weekends she would have visits from men who were basically her customers for sex. She wasn't too secretive about it and since we live in a very liberal city we were all nice to her and treated her just like we would any neighbor. She moved away after having some kind of psychotic break and spending some time at Yale-New Haven Hospital. I felt so bad for her and often wonder what happened to her.

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