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Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:19 PM

Is it worth it?

You try with the best of intentions.

You get shat on over and over.

You get misrepresented.

You get insulted and verbally abused.

And finally you just get literally fucking tired.

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boston bean Jun 2015 OP
BainsBane Jun 2015 #1
boston bean Jun 2015 #5
BainsBane Jun 2015 #8
shenmue Jun 2015 #2
boston bean Jun 2015 #6
shenmue Jun 2015 #10
boston bean Jun 2015 #11
niyad Jun 2015 #48
Kalidurga Jun 2015 #3
boston bean Jun 2015 #7
DURHAM D Jun 2015 #4
boston bean Jun 2015 #9
DURHAM D Jun 2015 #15
boston bean Jun 2015 #24
MuseRider Jun 2015 #52
Name removed Jun 2015 #12
boston bean Jun 2015 #13
BainsBane Jun 2015 #14
Name removed Jun 2015 #29
DURHAM D Jun 2015 #16
boston bean Jun 2015 #21
NRaleighLiberal Jun 2015 #31
boston bean Jun 2015 #32
Name removed Jun 2015 #17
Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #18
boston bean Jun 2015 #23
Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #30
boston bean Jun 2015 #33
Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #34
boston bean Jun 2015 #35
Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #37
boston bean Jun 2015 #40
LanternWaste Jun 2015 #53
Kalidurga Jun 2015 #20
boston bean Jun 2015 #22
boston bean Jun 2015 #27
DURHAM D Jun 2015 #41
boston bean Jun 2015 #46
niyad Jun 2015 #50
ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #55
niyad Jun 2015 #68
F4lconF16 Jun 2015 #56
ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #59
Skittles Jun 2015 #26
boston bean Jun 2015 #28
Skittles Jun 2015 #36
boston bean Jun 2015 #38
Kalidurga Jun 2015 #44
seaglass Jun 2015 #45
PassingFair Jun 2015 #74
Name removed Jun 2015 #39
niyad Jun 2015 #49
Post removed Jun 2015 #67
betsuni Jun 2015 #58
gollygee Jun 2015 #69
Sheldon Cooper Jun 2015 #70
niyad Jun 2015 #19
boston bean Jun 2015 #25
niyad Jun 2015 #47
geek tragedy Jun 2015 #42
boston bean Jun 2015 #61
geek tragedy Jun 2015 #66
ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #43
MuseRider Jun 2015 #51
boston bean Jun 2015 #62
LanternWaste Jun 2015 #54
boston bean Jun 2015 #63
Phentex Jun 2015 #57
boston bean Jun 2015 #64
AuntPatsy Jun 2015 #60
boston bean Jun 2015 #65
AuntPatsy Jun 2015 #72
JTFrog Jun 2015 #71
GeoWilliam750 Jun 2015 #73

Response to boston bean (Original post)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:23 PM

1. No, but sometimes you have to do it anyway

to get it off your chest. I was told my claim that people defend misogyny here is "delusional." People love to ignore what's in front of their noses.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:48 PM

5. True. In your post

You do have a lot of support it just gets drowned out.

Same with mine.

I gotta say they don't have any new material. I could probably write a book outlining all the arguments why misogyny doesn't exist and how words aren't misogynistic. I wouldn't even need to refer back for content I've heard it all so many times.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:50 PM

8. I'm most heartened by some of the ones who don't support Clinton

but say I respect your views and choices anyway. That is great to see.
I haven't had the courage to slog through most of your thread. I've read a few responses and glanced at it. I may tackle it later.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:23 PM

2. Stay here



We need you.

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Response to shenmue (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:49 PM

6. Don't you worry!

I'm just feeling exhausted at the moment. It is all so monotonous.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #6)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 09:08 PM

10. These kittums would like to help u

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Response to shenmue (Reply #10)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 09:09 PM

11. Awww they do help!!!!!

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Response to shenmue (Reply #10)

Tue Jun 9, 2015, 11:09 AM

48. awwwwww

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:24 PM

3. Yes

Because contrary to popular belief people who fight against getting shat on are actually healthier than people who are passive.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:50 PM

7. Possibly. I'm exhausted mentally. I'll get a good nights sleep anyhow.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:28 PM

4. Not on DU.

Too many angry people.

But irl - first Beyonce, then Taylor Swift and now Ariana Grande have come out.

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/06/ariana-grande-issues-important-feminist-manifesto


The "f" word has turned a corner and energy is back in the movement. Who will come out next?

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:52 PM

9. LOL

But yes. I saw that today and was pleased. I do believe you are correct.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #9)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:10 PM

15. I think this is a really really big deal.

I can not remember the last time a world famous star proclaimed herself a feminist. In fact, I can not think of a precedence and it has been over three decades since most girls/women (except those of us of a certain age) would entertain, much less own, the word.

These young women are 33, 25 and 21 and their fan base is most of the world and with social media being what is it there is no stopping the conversation.

Now... Beyonce has already attended a Hillary event so someone needs to contact Taylor and Ariana and invite them to dinner with Hil and Chelsea and secure their endorsement.

I think the fear of equality is what is driving so much of the anger in certain quarters and they must be shaking in their boots to see those hated Women's Libbers coming back into full focus right in front of their eyes. They can trash you (me/HOF) but they can't stop them.

aoan - I see that sea has given your post a Rec. I don't know what her due date is but I have noticed that she is reading everything. Hi sea


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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #15)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:54 PM

24. So true. History erm hillary will leave them in the dust.

And yes, hello sea. Can't wait for you to get out of jail. I wish we had an appeals court. One that I could appoint. LOL

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Response to boston bean (Reply #24)

Tue Jun 9, 2015, 12:25 PM

52. Ahhhh, I figured they must

have got her again. Me too, "Hi Sea!"

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 09:46 PM

13. In case anyone is interested in what name removed had to say.

Lucifer49
12. No.
I am a White Man. You can not defeat us, and we won't ever change our ways. Ever. No matter how many threads you make about White Privilege, Male Privilege, or the word "cunt", we are not interested, and we won't tolerate your insolence. You have no power, no authority, you have nothing to bargain with, and you have nothing to enforce your demands. We do not have to do anything you say. You are wasting your time fighting a losing battle, whereas we can fight forever, because that is what we were born to do. When it comes to defending our birthright, we never get tired and we never get bored. We will be here to destroy and pick apart your feminist nonsense for as long as we draw breath.

If you ever want anything to change, you need to adjust your tone. You can start by being more feminine and showing more respect towards your betters. If you start threads insulting and verbally abusing white males, expect to be insulted and verbally abused in return. Demands will only be ignored. Acting like a man only means we will start treating you like a man - and believe me you don't want that.


Just in case there is any doubt that misogynist mindsets exist out there. And they really don't like one to point it out.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #13)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:10 PM

14. How charming.

I feel quite certain he is the one who is fighting a losing battle.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #13)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:13 PM

16. Typical.

Did MIRT get him or one of the admin?

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #16)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:45 PM

21. I wonder if they run the IPs on these.

This person knew a lot of history. Know what I mean?

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Response to boston bean (Reply #21)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:08 PM

31. they are shifting IP addresses - we are watching closely in MIRT.



totally deranged, sick individual. pathetic.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #31)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:12 PM

32. Creep would be the word to describe him.

Creep creep creep

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Response to boston bean (Reply #13)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:30 PM

18. Ugh, sounds like gamergaters

They were active this week too, trolling a convention that addressed misogyny in gaming culture.

I think they are getting worse because they know they are losing.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #18)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:50 PM

23. What misogyny in gaming.

Prove it. You got links? That isn't what that means. You weakling. Men have some troubles too. You're imagining thing. You want to censor and word police and just have a word war. Why aren't you worriesld about Mexico and Boko haram. You're just perpetually outraged.

Shall I go on?



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Response to boston bean (Reply #23)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:04 PM

30. Why do you ruin our fun!!11

Yeah, I especially loved the one about not being as bad off as a third-world woman. Oh, ok! Boy, I could dig deep on the hypocrisy of that, but I don't want to get a hide.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #30)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:14 PM

33. You just want to control people. You don't care

About women. You care only about words.

That's another one.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #33)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:23 PM

34. I don't know who they think they are fooling.

Would they be defending running around any other private place of business calling people slurs? This isn't the town square.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #34)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:24 PM

35. Most people wouldn't do in the town square.

What do you think that tells us?

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Response to boston bean (Reply #35)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:30 PM

37. That they've felt protected here. Safe.

Their prejudiced point of view has been privileged--now that someone has been punished for it, they don't like the feeling one bit.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #37)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:37 PM

40. I just got sent some jury results.

I don't think it a good idea to hide what goes on. But it bothers someone(s):


11:27 PM
Automated Message
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
Mail Message
On Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:20 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

In case anyone is interested in what name removed had to say.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1255&pid=57562

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is just awful, was removed from DU for a reason, and the troll who posted it was immediately banned

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:27 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Troll
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No long time thought over this absolutely needs removed
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: bb makes a good point with this post.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Post was removed. What is the big deal here?
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: While leaving because BB clearly doesn't endorse this filth, I question the judgement of giving some trolls giant pile of shit more "smell time".
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

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Response to boston bean (Reply #40)

Tue Jun 9, 2015, 01:06 PM

53. I'm guessing the alerter is worried about the negative branding for his philosophy's image...

I'm guessing the alerter is worried about the negative branding for his philosophy's image...

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Response to boston bean (Reply #13)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:39 PM

20. Holy Carp

That is one hateful dude. Does name removed mean they got a pizza?

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #20)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:46 PM

22. Yep this incarnation is gone.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #20)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:01 PM

27. Ps. You think that one was bad take a look at this one.


37. It's not a misogynistic word, you ignorant cunt

If I call you a cunt, it's a slur against YOU, a single, individual cunt of a woman, not women in general.

What is so hard to understand about that?

And if any woman deserves to be called a cunt, it's Billary. She's horrific.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #27)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:53 PM

41. Is that the 2nd Hide - Name Removed in this thread? nt

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #41)

Tue Jun 9, 2015, 06:50 AM

46. No, that was one from Friday. nt

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Response to boston bean (Reply #27)

Tue Jun 9, 2015, 11:19 AM

50. perhaps that ignorant twit, and others of that ilk, should read inga muscio's book,

to find out what that word actually means. as an antonio banderas character says in one movie, "the word does not mean what you think it means"

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Response to niyad (Reply #50)

Tue Jun 9, 2015, 01:17 PM

55. Love that Book!

Gave it to one of my daughters--never did get another one

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #55)

Wed Jun 10, 2015, 09:22 PM

68. still available on amazon.

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Response to niyad (Reply #50)

Tue Jun 9, 2015, 04:14 PM

56. What is that book about? Nt

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Response to boston bean (Reply #13)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:01 PM

26. who gives a fuck what that little insecure piece of shit says?

I bet mommy still pays his bills

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Response to Skittles (Reply #26)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:03 PM

28. I think it's good for people to know women aren't making this shit up.

That's my reason for posting. To help those with denial out some.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #28)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:28 PM

36. I'm guessing it is clueless men who are in denial?

any women knows just from daily incidents

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Response to Skittles (Reply #36)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:31 PM

38. That hasn't been my experience over the last few days.

I am extremely sorry to report. I don't have any answers.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #28)

Tue Jun 9, 2015, 03:07 AM

44. I read the AA Group quite a bit...

Some of the things I have seen there are mind blowing. In some ways the slurs against women are worse in that if someone uses a slur against a woman it's no big deal. Women are too sensitive and thin skinned they are told in many cases. This thing with Skip has really has shown how acceptable it is to use vulgar slurs against women. I might differ with you on how I think that should be handled, but I agree with you on how serious it is. We wouldn't sit back and let someone talk like that to a POC or any other ethnic minority, a child, a disabled person, or someone who had a mental illness. So, why should we just let it roll off our backs when someone says something like that to a woman or about a woman? I think we should not. Anyway, my point is I do understand that the women of DU aren't making things up, I have seen it in GD and other places, I have seen it when I visit the feminists forums and AA like I mentioned before.

BTW, I don't really want Skip back. He supports Bernie like I do. But, like I always say with friends like that who needs enemies.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #44)

Tue Jun 9, 2015, 06:18 AM

45. People feel it is acceptable because other women stand up and say it's no big deal and they

join in attacking women who do think it is a big deal. They only have to point to these women to "make their case". No idea why anyone would think all women think alike, do all men think alike?

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #44)

Mon Jun 15, 2015, 04:29 PM

74. What is the "AA" group? nt

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Response to boston bean (Reply #13)

Tue Jun 9, 2015, 11:12 AM

49. oh my word!!! thanks for starting my day out with a laugh!

that name removed is really running scared, is he not? respect toward our BETTERS? good thing I was nor drinking anything.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #13)

Tue Jun 9, 2015, 07:31 PM

58. That's like something out of "Trolling for Dummies"

Chapter 1, How to Troll Feminists. Needs more "hysterical" and "outraged" and "fee-fees" -- try harder, White Man.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #13)

Thu Jun 11, 2015, 08:16 AM

69. There is either one misogynist/racist troll coming back over and over again

or there are a bunch who write in a similar way.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #69)

Thu Jun 11, 2015, 09:43 AM

70. It's that same person who keeps coming back.

I suspect it's that Vashta Naruda guy (can't remember his actual screen name) who was banned for his misogynist bullshit a while back. Sounds like something he'd come up with. Typing with only one hand on the keyboard while doing so, of course.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:32 PM

19. "illegitimati non carburundum"

very poor latin for "don't let the bastards grind you down"

yes, we get tired, and discouraged, and insulted. all with the hope that we will just get sick of the whole mess, shut up, and go away.

soooooo not happening.

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Response to niyad (Reply #19)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:55 PM

25. I need a recharge.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #25)

Tue Jun 9, 2015, 11:06 AM

47. I completely understand. can you take a break, even for a day, a few hours? go someplace

beautiful, just relax. I know how hard it can be to recharge, when you feel so completely drained. wish I could help.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Tue Jun 9, 2015, 12:05 AM

42. Those who read outnumber those who post.

 

The stubbornly foolish will remain so, but they are not representative.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #42)

Wed Jun 10, 2015, 05:42 AM

61. I think you may be right.... but I end up with doubt

each time I give it a try.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #61)

Wed Jun 10, 2015, 08:54 AM

66. That's part of their strategy. nt

 

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Tue Jun 9, 2015, 01:21 AM

43. Fuck no it's not worth it.

I just read Bane's post in GD, and oh the reactionary bullshit doth spew forth from "I don't know what you mean" to classic derailment. Meh. Bane is one of the most articulate posters around and very easy to understand.

Meantime in real life, I've had recent conversations with 3 males--one being my Libertarian brother-- and two females who, independent of me, used the term "rape culture" correctly in a sentence.

My very Catholic daughter clings to as much feminism as she can, and has simply decided her job is to be as good a person as possible and not judge people for their life decisions, and certainly not their gender identification or sexual orientation, because in her words, it's none of her business.

Feminism is burgeoning all over the place. Those who don't know misogyny are destined to repeat it and defend it only these days, they're the fucking dinosaurs right before the comet.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Tue Jun 9, 2015, 12:21 PM

51. You have a right to speak your mind

and a right to be taken seriously.

It gets tiresome. Heck, just watching what goes on here is enough to make me tired and I leave.

The season is young, take a break if you need. I feel for those of you brave enough to speak out and take the heat. I respect you.

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Response to MuseRider (Reply #51)

Wed Jun 10, 2015, 05:45 AM

62. Thanks Muse!

I often do take breaks where I post nothing or very little...

Sometimes I post a lot in one thread and nothing else...

This topic however can drain one quickly. I will recharge the batteries!

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Tue Jun 9, 2015, 01:17 PM

54. I often take a break not simply from DU, but from the words of news and popular culture...

I often take a break not simply from DU, but from the words of news and popular culture as absolutely as I'm able to do. Too often, I allow myself to get far too frustrated at the simpletons and dullards who pretend to be ignorant of spoonerisms and popular colloquialisms (no one on DU is *that* under-educated or sub-literate), or so-called adults righteously justifying a "hawt celebs thread", eventually becoming the golden calf of their irrational little cabal.

So, I just tune out for two, three, sometimes four days-- DU, news (print, broadcast, etc). I did so this past weekend, and spent a glorious weekend in silent beauty and ignorant bliss.

Afterwards, it's still worth it. I promise.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #54)

Wed Jun 10, 2015, 05:45 AM

63. Good advice.. Thanks Lantern!

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Tue Jun 9, 2015, 04:34 PM

57. I appreciate your attempts...

I think you make a difference. I really do.

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Response to Phentex (Reply #57)

Wed Jun 10, 2015, 05:46 AM

64. That is really nice to hear, and it helps me feel better about it..

Thank you!

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Tue Jun 9, 2015, 11:17 PM

60. Sometimes I'm not sure but to give up is to allow the abuse to not only continue but to

Widen its grasp, others depends on us,

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Response to AuntPatsy (Reply #60)

Wed Jun 10, 2015, 05:46 AM

65. That is what keeps me going... but it's exhausting still....

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Response to boston bean (Reply #65)

Thu Jun 11, 2015, 10:14 PM

72. Yes it is, everyday seems to be just another obstacle to overcome.

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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Thu Jun 11, 2015, 09:56 AM

71. Doesn't seem like it.

 

I see my favorite author who loves to use the p-word as an insult ( because p**** is the epitome of weakness and cowardice ) is front page on DU again.

Amazing how so many folks here can claim to be in the fight against the war on women and yet, this is the standard we get.

Meh.



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Response to boston bean (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2015, 10:37 PM

73. Absolutely yes

Ignore the emotional vampires - dementors even. Nothing you can ever say or do can ever make them happy.

Your opinions are important. I have learnt much from the ladies of HoF, and I very much miss it when there is little in HoF, as has often been the case recently.

Please keep posting. You make a difference.

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