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Is it worth it? (Original Post) boston bean Jun 2015 OP
No, but sometimes you have to do it anyway BainsBane Jun 2015 #1
True. In your post boston bean Jun 2015 #5
I'm most heartened by some of the ones who don't support Clinton BainsBane Jun 2015 #8
Stay here shenmue Jun 2015 #2
Don't you worry! boston bean Jun 2015 #6
These kittums would like to help u shenmue Jun 2015 #10
Awww they do help!!!!! boston bean Jun 2015 #11
awwwwww niyad Jun 2015 #48
Yes Kalidurga Jun 2015 #3
Possibly. I'm exhausted mentally. I'll get a good nights sleep anyhow. boston bean Jun 2015 #7
Not on DU. DURHAM D Jun 2015 #4
LOL boston bean Jun 2015 #9
I think this is a really really big deal. DURHAM D Jun 2015 #15
So true. History erm hillary will leave them in the dust. boston bean Jun 2015 #24
Ahhhh, I figured they must MuseRider Jun 2015 #52
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #12
In case anyone is interested in what name removed had to say. boston bean Jun 2015 #13
How charming. BainsBane Jun 2015 #14
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #29
Typical. DURHAM D Jun 2015 #16
I wonder if they run the IPs on these. boston bean Jun 2015 #21
they are shifting IP addresses - we are watching closely in MIRT. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2015 #31
Creep would be the word to describe him. boston bean Jun 2015 #32
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #17
Ugh, sounds like gamergaters Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #18
What misogyny in gaming. boston bean Jun 2015 #23
Why do you ruin our fun!!11 Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #30
You just want to control people. You don't care boston bean Jun 2015 #33
I don't know who they think they are fooling. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #34
Most people wouldn't do in the town square. boston bean Jun 2015 #35
That they've felt protected here. Safe. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #37
I just got sent some jury results. boston bean Jun 2015 #40
I'm guessing the alerter is worried about the negative branding for his philosophy's image... LanternWaste Jun 2015 #53
Holy Carp Kalidurga Jun 2015 #20
Yep this incarnation is gone. boston bean Jun 2015 #22
Ps. You think that one was bad take a look at this one. boston bean Jun 2015 #27
Is that the 2nd Hide - Name Removed in this thread? nt DURHAM D Jun 2015 #41
No, that was one from Friday. nt boston bean Jun 2015 #46
perhaps that ignorant twit, and others of that ilk, should read inga muscio's book, niyad Jun 2015 #50
Love that Book! ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #55
still available on amazon. niyad Jun 2015 #68
What is that book about? Nt F4lconF16 Jun 2015 #56
The "C" word ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #59
who gives a fuck what that little insecure piece of shit says? Skittles Jun 2015 #26
I think it's good for people to know women aren't making this shit up. boston bean Jun 2015 #28
I'm guessing it is clueless men who are in denial? Skittles Jun 2015 #36
That hasn't been my experience over the last few days. boston bean Jun 2015 #38
I read the AA Group quite a bit... Kalidurga Jun 2015 #44
People feel it is acceptable because other women stand up and say it's no big deal and they seaglass Jun 2015 #45
What is the "AA" group? nt PassingFair Jun 2015 #74
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #39
oh my word!!! thanks for starting my day out with a laugh! niyad Jun 2015 #49
Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #67
That's like something out of "Trolling for Dummies" betsuni Jun 2015 #58
There is either one misogynist/racist troll coming back over and over again gollygee Jun 2015 #69
It's that same person who keeps coming back. Sheldon Cooper Jun 2015 #70
"illegitimati non carburundum" niyad Jun 2015 #19
I need a recharge. boston bean Jun 2015 #25
I completely understand. can you take a break, even for a day, a few hours? go someplace niyad Jun 2015 #47
Those who read outnumber those who post. geek tragedy Jun 2015 #42
I think you may be right.... but I end up with doubt boston bean Jun 2015 #61
That's part of their strategy. nt geek tragedy Jun 2015 #66
Fuck no it's not worth it. ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #43
You have a right to speak your mind MuseRider Jun 2015 #51
Thanks Muse! boston bean Jun 2015 #62
I often take a break not simply from DU, but from the words of news and popular culture... LanternWaste Jun 2015 #54
Good advice.. Thanks Lantern! boston bean Jun 2015 #63
I appreciate your attempts... Phentex Jun 2015 #57
That is really nice to hear, and it helps me feel better about it.. boston bean Jun 2015 #64
Sometimes I'm not sure but to give up is to allow the abuse to not only continue but to AuntPatsy Jun 2015 #60
That is what keeps me going... but it's exhausting still.... boston bean Jun 2015 #65
Yes it is, everyday seems to be just another obstacle to overcome. AuntPatsy Jun 2015 #72
Doesn't seem like it. JTFrog Jun 2015 #71
Absolutely yes GeoWilliam750 Jun 2015 #73

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
1. No, but sometimes you have to do it anyway
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:23 PM
Jun 2015

to get it off your chest. I was told my claim that people defend misogyny here is "delusional." People love to ignore what's in front of their noses.

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
5. True. In your post
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:48 PM
Jun 2015

You do have a lot of support it just gets drowned out.

Same with mine.

I gotta say they don't have any new material. I could probably write a book outlining all the arguments why misogyny doesn't exist and how words aren't misogynistic. I wouldn't even need to refer back for content I've heard it all so many times.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
8. I'm most heartened by some of the ones who don't support Clinton
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:50 PM
Jun 2015

but say I respect your views and choices anyway. That is great to see.
I haven't had the courage to slog through most of your thread. I've read a few responses and glanced at it. I may tackle it later.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
3. Yes
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:24 PM
Jun 2015

Because contrary to popular belief people who fight against getting shat on are actually healthier than people who are passive.

DURHAM D

(32,596 posts)
4. Not on DU.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:28 PM
Jun 2015

Too many angry people.

But irl - first Beyonce, then Taylor Swift and now Ariana Grande have come out.

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/06/ariana-grande-issues-important-feminist-manifesto


The "f" word has turned a corner and energy is back in the movement. Who will come out next?

DURHAM D

(32,596 posts)
15. I think this is a really really big deal.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:10 PM
Jun 2015

I can not remember the last time a world famous star proclaimed herself a feminist. In fact, I can not think of a precedence and it has been over three decades since most girls/women (except those of us of a certain age) would entertain, much less own, the word.

These young women are 33, 25 and 21 and their fan base is most of the world and with social media being what is it there is no stopping the conversation.

Now... Beyonce has already attended a Hillary event so someone needs to contact Taylor and Ariana and invite them to dinner with Hil and Chelsea and secure their endorsement.

I think the fear of equality is what is driving so much of the anger in certain quarters and they must be shaking in their boots to see those hated Women's Libbers coming back into full focus right in front of their eyes. They can trash you (me/HOF) but they can't stop them.

aoan - I see that sea has given your post a Rec. I don't know what her due date is but I have noticed that she is reading everything. Hi sea


boston bean

(36,186 posts)
24. So true. History erm hillary will leave them in the dust.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:54 PM
Jun 2015

And yes, hello sea. Can't wait for you to get out of jail. I wish we had an appeals court. One that I could appoint. LOL

Response to boston bean (Original post)

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
13. In case anyone is interested in what name removed had to say.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 09:46 PM
Jun 2015
Lucifer49
12. No.
I am a White Man. You can not defeat us, and we won't ever change our ways. Ever. No matter how many threads you make about White Privilege, Male Privilege, or the word "cunt", we are not interested, and we won't tolerate your insolence. You have no power, no authority, you have nothing to bargain with, and you have nothing to enforce your demands. We do not have to do anything you say. You are wasting your time fighting a losing battle, whereas we can fight forever, because that is what we were born to do. When it comes to defending our birthright, we never get tired and we never get bored. We will be here to destroy and pick apart your feminist nonsense for as long as we draw breath.

If you ever want anything to change, you need to adjust your tone. You can start by being more feminine and showing more respect towards your betters. If you start threads insulting and verbally abusing white males, expect to be insulted and verbally abused in return. Demands will only be ignored. Acting like a man only means we will start treating you like a man - and believe me you don't want that.


Just in case there is any doubt that misogynist mindsets exist out there. And they really don't like one to point it out.

Response to BainsBane (Reply #14)

NRaleighLiberal

(59,940 posts)
31. they are shifting IP addresses - we are watching closely in MIRT.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:08 PM
Jun 2015


totally deranged, sick individual. pathetic.

Response to boston bean (Reply #13)

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
18. Ugh, sounds like gamergaters
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:30 PM
Jun 2015

They were active this week too, trolling a convention that addressed misogyny in gaming culture.

I think they are getting worse because they know they are losing.

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
23. What misogyny in gaming.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:50 PM
Jun 2015

Prove it. You got links? That isn't what that means. You weakling. Men have some troubles too. You're imagining thing. You want to censor and word police and just have a word war. Why aren't you worriesld about Mexico and Boko haram. You're just perpetually outraged.

Shall I go on?



Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
30. Why do you ruin our fun!!11
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:04 PM
Jun 2015

Yeah, I especially loved the one about not being as bad off as a third-world woman. Oh, ok! Boy, I could dig deep on the hypocrisy of that, but I don't want to get a hide.

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
33. You just want to control people. You don't care
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:14 PM
Jun 2015

About women. You care only about words.

That's another one.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
34. I don't know who they think they are fooling.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:23 PM
Jun 2015

Would they be defending running around any other private place of business calling people slurs? This isn't the town square.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
37. That they've felt protected here. Safe.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:30 PM
Jun 2015

Their prejudiced point of view has been privileged--now that someone has been punished for it, they don't like the feeling one bit.

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
40. I just got sent some jury results.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:37 PM
Jun 2015

I don't think it a good idea to hide what goes on. But it bothers someone(s):


11:27 PM
Automated Message
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
Mail Message
On Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:20 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

In case anyone is interested in what name removed had to say.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1255&pid=57562

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is just awful, was removed from DU for a reason, and the troll who posted it was immediately banned

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:27 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Troll
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No long time thought over this absolutely needs removed
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: bb makes a good point with this post.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Post was removed. What is the big deal here?
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: While leaving because BB clearly doesn't endorse this filth, I question the judgement of giving some trolls giant pile of shit more "smell time".
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
53. I'm guessing the alerter is worried about the negative branding for his philosophy's image...
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 01:06 PM
Jun 2015

I'm guessing the alerter is worried about the negative branding for his philosophy's image...

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
27. Ps. You think that one was bad take a look at this one.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:01 PM
Jun 2015

37. It's not a misogynistic word, you ignorant cunt

If I call you a cunt, it's a slur against YOU, a single, individual cunt of a woman, not women in general.

What is so hard to understand about that?

And if any woman deserves to be called a cunt, it's Billary. She's horrific.

niyad

(112,435 posts)
50. perhaps that ignorant twit, and others of that ilk, should read inga muscio's book,
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 11:19 AM
Jun 2015

to find out what that word actually means. as an antonio banderas character says in one movie, "the word does not mean what you think it means"

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
28. I think it's good for people to know women aren't making this shit up.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:03 PM
Jun 2015

That's my reason for posting. To help those with denial out some.

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
38. That hasn't been my experience over the last few days.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:31 PM
Jun 2015

I am extremely sorry to report. I don't have any answers.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
44. I read the AA Group quite a bit...
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 03:07 AM
Jun 2015

Some of the things I have seen there are mind blowing. In some ways the slurs against women are worse in that if someone uses a slur against a woman it's no big deal. Women are too sensitive and thin skinned they are told in many cases. This thing with Skip has really has shown how acceptable it is to use vulgar slurs against women. I might differ with you on how I think that should be handled, but I agree with you on how serious it is. We wouldn't sit back and let someone talk like that to a POC or any other ethnic minority, a child, a disabled person, or someone who had a mental illness. So, why should we just let it roll off our backs when someone says something like that to a woman or about a woman? I think we should not. Anyway, my point is I do understand that the women of DU aren't making things up, I have seen it in GD and other places, I have seen it when I visit the feminists forums and AA like I mentioned before.

BTW, I don't really want Skip back. He supports Bernie like I do. But, like I always say with friends like that who needs enemies.

seaglass

(8,170 posts)
45. People feel it is acceptable because other women stand up and say it's no big deal and they
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 06:18 AM
Jun 2015

join in attacking women who do think it is a big deal. They only have to point to these women to "make their case". No idea why anyone would think all women think alike, do all men think alike?

Response to Skittles (Reply #26)

niyad

(112,435 posts)
49. oh my word!!! thanks for starting my day out with a laugh!
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 11:12 AM
Jun 2015

that name removed is really running scared, is he not? respect toward our BETTERS? good thing I was nor drinking anything.

Response to niyad (Reply #49)

betsuni

(25,136 posts)
58. That's like something out of "Trolling for Dummies"
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 07:31 PM
Jun 2015

Chapter 1, How to Troll Feminists. Needs more "hysterical" and "outraged" and "fee-fees" -- try harder, White Man.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
69. There is either one misogynist/racist troll coming back over and over again
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 08:16 AM
Jun 2015

or there are a bunch who write in a similar way.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
70. It's that same person who keeps coming back.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 09:43 AM
Jun 2015

I suspect it's that Vashta Naruda guy (can't remember his actual screen name) who was banned for his misogynist bullshit a while back. Sounds like something he'd come up with. Typing with only one hand on the keyboard while doing so, of course.

niyad

(112,435 posts)
19. "illegitimati non carburundum"
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:32 PM
Jun 2015

very poor latin for "don't let the bastards grind you down"

yes, we get tired, and discouraged, and insulted. all with the hope that we will just get sick of the whole mess, shut up, and go away.

soooooo not happening.

niyad

(112,435 posts)
47. I completely understand. can you take a break, even for a day, a few hours? go someplace
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 11:06 AM
Jun 2015

beautiful, just relax. I know how hard it can be to recharge, when you feel so completely drained. wish I could help.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
42. Those who read outnumber those who post.
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 12:05 AM
Jun 2015

The stubbornly foolish will remain so, but they are not representative.

ismnotwasm

(41,921 posts)
43. Fuck no it's not worth it.
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 01:21 AM
Jun 2015

I just read Bane's post in GD, and oh the reactionary bullshit doth spew forth from "I don't know what you mean" to classic derailment. Meh. Bane is one of the most articulate posters around and very easy to understand.

Meantime in real life, I've had recent conversations with 3 males--one being my Libertarian brother-- and two females who, independent of me, used the term "rape culture" correctly in a sentence.

My very Catholic daughter clings to as much feminism as she can, and has simply decided her job is to be as good a person as possible and not judge people for their life decisions, and certainly not their gender identification or sexual orientation, because in her words, it's none of her business.

Feminism is burgeoning all over the place. Those who don't know misogyny are destined to repeat it and defend it only these days, they're the fucking dinosaurs right before the comet.

MuseRider

(34,060 posts)
51. You have a right to speak your mind
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 12:21 PM
Jun 2015

and a right to be taken seriously.

It gets tiresome. Heck, just watching what goes on here is enough to make me tired and I leave.

The season is young, take a break if you need. I feel for those of you brave enough to speak out and take the heat. I respect you.

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
62. Thanks Muse!
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 05:45 AM
Jun 2015

I often do take breaks where I post nothing or very little...

Sometimes I post a lot in one thread and nothing else...

This topic however can drain one quickly. I will recharge the batteries!

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
54. I often take a break not simply from DU, but from the words of news and popular culture...
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 01:17 PM
Jun 2015

I often take a break not simply from DU, but from the words of news and popular culture as absolutely as I'm able to do. Too often, I allow myself to get far too frustrated at the simpletons and dullards who pretend to be ignorant of spoonerisms and popular colloquialisms (no one on DU is *that* under-educated or sub-literate), or so-called adults righteously justifying a "hawt celebs thread", eventually becoming the golden calf of their irrational little cabal.

So, I just tune out for two, three, sometimes four days-- DU, news (print, broadcast, etc). I did so this past weekend, and spent a glorious weekend in silent beauty and ignorant bliss.

Afterwards, it's still worth it. I promise.

AuntPatsy

(9,904 posts)
60. Sometimes I'm not sure but to give up is to allow the abuse to not only continue but to
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 11:17 PM
Jun 2015

Widen its grasp, others depends on us,

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
71. Doesn't seem like it.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 09:56 AM
Jun 2015

I see my favorite author who loves to use the p-word as an insult ( because p**** is the epitome of weakness and cowardice ) is front page on DU again.

Amazing how so many folks here can claim to be in the fight against the war on women and yet, this is the standard we get.

Meh.



GeoWilliam750

(2,519 posts)
73. Absolutely yes
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 10:37 PM
Jun 2015

Ignore the emotional vampires - dementors even. Nothing you can ever say or do can ever make them happy.

Your opinions are important. I have learnt much from the ladies of HoF, and I very much miss it when there is little in HoF, as has often been the case recently.

Please keep posting. You make a difference.

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