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Sat Jun 16, 2018, 03:00 PM

And they said rape culture wasn't real

Iím posting this, mostly, for myself, as this forum all but died. Remembering all The battles about rape, sexual harassment, rape culture, language, patriarchy at DU. The belittling, the minimizing, the disingenuous arguments, the bullshit. Every once in a while at DU, Iíll even see a bitter soul take a pot shot at ďbenevolent sexismĒ because nice guys or something. I got my first hide out of this group reposting a blogger who said instead of all women having to walk around in a state of fear of rape, it was just as logical for all men to be treated as walking around in a state of pre-rape. I still read Dworkin.

Interesting though, how the old van guard of second wave feminists, some of them, lost their way at as the results of their battles bore fruit in succeeding generations of women, reaping the benefits of Feminism. And Feminism itself found its newest rebirth at the crossroads of intersectionality. Interesting, and in retrospect completely logical, how the the most powerful feminist voices now are African American women, as well as other women of color. Trans women are also emerging as a powerful voice for womenís rights.

And here we are at another crossroads. As bigoted white men, and bigoted, complacent, white women voted for Trump, it broke something in people of goodwill and compassion and progressive thought. I think what broke was the desire to go along to get along when one has a privileged life. IF one understands what privilege is and what it isnít. Thereís still far to much pushback in the age of Trump. It comes from feeling that enough dollars saves one from bigotry


Weinstein and Cosby shows us that beauty, talent and wealth is not enough to protect women. The sheer horror of Trump shows us that seeing thing such as the unutterable pain at the southern border will affect us in such a way we can no longer ignore it. Or at least I canít. I hurt every day, and every day I am angry. I welcome this. It doesnít ďdamageĒ me. I am no passive soul searching for zen and comfort.

94% of Black women who voted voted for Hillary Clinton. There has been a number of attempts to minimize that remarkable statistic, the lastest being to simply ignore it. What did black women know that white women didnít? If you ask them, they will tell you. Itís not for me to say. Me? I listened to their voices whenever I could. Still do. Often, I do it in silence, because white women, so many of us were so stunningly wrong in our political choices, there are very few I want to hear from. There are, of course, a few I do. As there are very few white men I want to hear from right now. (Plain, simple reporting aside)

Practically this means I watch no TV pundits at all, get my news on-line after I vet facts, from sources with proven diversity that isnít tokenism. I pay little attention to memes unless they make me laugh. There is still tons of bullshit. Mostly from the right, who have appeared to have lost their damn minds for real, but the left is not immune from bullshit. Some of it I even like, as I lost any desire to ďplay fairĒ As someone recently said this isnít middle school.

Because people have died, are dying, will die. And they will suffer before they do. Iím a nurse. I see a lot of suffering, enough death. When itís preventable, thatís when I get angry as well.

When sexual harassment happens, itís easy ― and not wrong ― to blame individual perpetrators, i.e., the ďbad men.Ē And over the past couple of years, lots of men have been fired, demoted, arrested and publicly shamed for various acts of sexual misconduct.

But a major study from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine outlines a more comprehensive way of looking at sexual harassment within organizations and identifies the strongest predictor of such behavior. Surprisingly, it has little to do with individual perpetrators.


The study finds that the strongest, most potent predictor of sexual harassment is essentially the culture of the company ― what the researchers call ďorganizational climate.Ē

If employees believe that their organization takes harassment seriously, then harassment is less likely to happen, according to the 311-page report released Tuesday. That faith in fair treatment acts as a deterrent against bad actors and encourages workers to speak up about harassment ― key to keeping bad behavior at bay.


https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5b23f8c3e4b0f9178a9cd6f5?ncid=APPLENEWS00001

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ismnotwasm Jun 2018 OP
hlthe2b Jun 2018 #1
LiberalLoner Jun 2018 #2
brer cat Jun 2018 #3
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ismnotwasm Jun 2018 #5

Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Sat Jun 16, 2018, 03:18 PM

1. Not just for yourself, ismnotwasm... A very thoughtful discussion

I am not sure we've come any great distance since those forum-wide battles of previous years, though the recent public attention given to the most extreme (and violent, e.g., incel) form of misogyny surely should have shaken a few members who once denied the existence of such gender-based hatred.

How painful when the "me-too" movement and other activism has made some inroads to exposing and forcing a "re-calibration" of societal opinions on sexual misconduct, bias, and abuse of power, that the ugliest and deadliest form of opposition feels emboldened.

That Huffpo piece is spot on.


Glad you posted and glad you are still around, ismnotwasm.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 16, 2018, 04:00 PM

2. +1

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Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Sat Jun 16, 2018, 06:41 PM

3. Thank you for this, ism.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Sat Jun 16, 2018, 11:16 PM

4. It was the judge who put Manafort in prison who said it.

"this isn't middle school. I can't take away your cell phone," so SHE locked him up.

Excellent post. Thank you.

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Sat Jun 16, 2018, 11:17 PM

5. Thank you you guys.

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