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Sancho

(9,067 posts)
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 10:22 PM Oct 2017

I hope to live long enough to see real legislation...

People Control, Not Gun Control

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

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I hope to live long enough to see real legislation... (Original Post) Sancho Oct 2017 OP
I don't think the Las Vegas shooter would obey any of those rules. wasupaloopa Oct 2017 #1
Yes...that license would have made it much more difficult Sancho Oct 2017 #2
He was wealthy and could have bought those guns anywhere even gun shows and the wasupaloopa Oct 2017 #3
Then you don't understand the license concept... Sancho Oct 2017 #4
99% of DU agrees with you SCantiGOP Oct 2017 #5
Is it time to talk about gun laws fredsred Oct 2017 #6
 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
1. I don't think the Las Vegas shooter would obey any of those rules.
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 10:33 PM
Oct 2017

Nobody can make a law that will stop mass shootings.

We have more guns per person than any other country and we have more killings than any country and we have less common sense about guns than any country.


You as well as I know that we have to get rid of guns if we want to get rid of mass shootings. It is the only logical response to this tragedy.

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
2. Yes...that license would have made it much more difficult
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 10:42 PM
Oct 2017

for the Las Vegas shooter to obtain guns, transport guns, and buy ammunition. No law will stop all shootings, but reasonable laws will reduce the killing dramatically.

Getting rid of excess guns is also necessary.

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
3. He was wealthy and could have bought those guns anywhere even gun shows and the
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 10:53 PM
Oct 2017

black market. None of your laws could have prevented him from doing what he did.

There are guns shows almost every weekend in Las Vegas. He loved to go to Las Vegas. More than likely he got many of his 18 or so guns at those gun shows.

fredsred

(2 posts)
6. Is it time to talk about gun laws
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 01:39 AM
Oct 2017

I'm calling my Senator's and Congressman every week to find out if the time is right to discuss gun regulations. I'm tired of no action on part of the republicans. It's the same answer not a good time. I'm fed up with the mass murders and lack of action on the federal level. It's obvious to me that our general population can not handle the weapons that are available. More guns are are not the answer and doing nothing is also not the answer. It's time as a nation to come together and start with regulating on measures that a majority of american's agree with. I propose that we start calling our representatives every week to ask these 2 simple questions are you ready to discuss the gun violence problem and what are you going to do about? call every week period these republicans are literally getting away with murder.

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