HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Topics » Justice & Public Safety » Gun Control Reform Activism (Group) » 4 things most shooters ha...

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:05 AM

4 things most shooters have in common...

"Nearly All Mass Shooters Since 1966 Have Had 4 Things in Common:
The stereotype of a mass shooter is a white male with a history of mental illness or domestic violence. While that may be anecdotally true, the largest single study of mass shooters ever funded by the U.S. government has found that nearly all mass shooters have four specific things in common."

"A new Department of Justice-funded study of all mass shootings — killings of four or more people in a public place — since 1966 found that the shooters typically have an experience with childhood trauma, a personal crisis or specific grievance, and a “script” or examples that validate their feelings or provide a roadmap. And then there’s the fourth thing: access to a firearm."

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a35mya/nearly-all-mass-shooters-since-1966-have-had-four-things-in-common

Have I missed something? I have read this and the 5th thing they all have in common is that they are mainly MALES. Why isn't this addressed in the article? Is it because the men do not know how to address this or they choose not to? I watched Bowling For Columbine again about a month ago on MSNBC and Michael Moore said that he wouldn't add anything to the movie all these years later except for a couple things and the main one is that males commit most of the killings and that needs to be addressed but never is. Why is this? Because men do not have an answer/solution???????

7 replies, 5592 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 7 replies Author Time Post
Reply 4 things most shooters have in common... (Original post)
BigmanPigman Nov 2019 OP
Sancho Nov 2019 #1
dawg day Nov 2019 #3
Joe Short Mar 2020 #6
billh58 Apr 2020 #7
dawg day Nov 2019 #2
mopinko Nov 2019 #4
lastlib Nov 2019 #5

Response to BigmanPigman (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:25 AM

1. People Control, Not Gun Control


Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and possess a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language; I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional or mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthiness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of your home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. The license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.) If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, lose, manufacture, modify, or inherit a gun; your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, are referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, or deemed unsafe by a LEO; you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a relicensing process.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Sancho (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:34 AM

3. This-- +100

We expect people who drive cars to be trained, licensed, insured, and responsible. Why not gun users?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to dawg day (Reply #3)

Mon Mar 23, 2020, 12:54 AM

6. Right vs Privilege

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Joe Short (Reply #6)

Sat Apr 18, 2020, 09:52 PM

7. It was your

privilege to say that, and the Administrators' right to boot your butt. Good bye Bubba...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to BigmanPigman (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:32 AM

2. Most mass murders too-- and sexual assaults-- and serial murders-

It's something hard to speak of, because (in my experience) men can get pretty defensive. Of course the vast majority of men aren't murderers... but there is something in the male culture or male psyche that == when it gets damaged-- this happens.
Why? What is it? Do men wonder at it, examine the question, wonder if there's some mix of privilege and loss that leads some men to decide they have the right to do the unthinkable, that the wound to themselves is so extreme they can cure it only by destroying other people?

I don't know. But we shouldn't shy away from the question.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to dawg day (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:54 AM

4. well, old school feminist theory is that it is about the ripping of the feminine away from boys.

i agree that tenderness, empathy, the feminine, is part of us all, and those that lose it, lose it through brutal force.
trauma, ostracization, other-ization, abandonment.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to BigmanPigman (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 01:09 AM

5. Thing in common #6:

They all have industrial-strength killing machines.

Why do we dance around that fact?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread