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Mon Jan 20, 2020, 04:59 PM

Got a License for That?

From the article:

Since 1994, the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, the federal law requiring federally licensed gun dealers to conduct background checks before gun sales, has prevented more than three million felons, fugitives, and other prohibited purchasers such as people with disqualifying mental health conditions from purchasing firearms.

But many dangerous people have fallen through the cracks, including several perpetrators of mass shootings. Current federal law subjects gun buyers to background checks only if the seller is a licensed dealer ďengaged in the businessĒ of selling firearms.

Collectors and private sellers at gun shows and individuals who advertise weapons on the Internet are not required to vet their customers. Those who acquire weapons from acquaintances, friends, or family are also exempt from federal background checks.
As a result, 22 percent of U.S. gun owners who acquired their most recent firearm within the previous two years did so without a background check, according to a 2017 study in the Annals of Internal Medicine...Ö

To close these gaps, fifteen states and the District of Columbia now require gun buyers to obtain a license, certificate, or permit to purchase, as it is sometimes called, according to the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, a San Francisco-based nonprofit.

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In my opinion, the license should not be cheap.

And the training to qualify should also not be cheap.

And insurance should be required for every weapon purchased.

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Response to guillaumeb (Original post)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 05:07 PM

1. An alternative is to require all transfers to go through a licensed dealer, who would charge a

transfer fee to handle the administrative work and keep required documentation. At a gun show, there would be any number of licensed dealers who would handle that and even compete on the fee charged (which will likely be $30 or so).

In most states, some ignorant white winger can take a bunch of guns to a gun show, drape a confederate or Nazi flag over a table and start selling guns without the need to do a background check, as long as they aren't "engaged in the business" on a regular basis.

I'm fine with licensing gun purchasers, too.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 05:10 PM

2. And people can purchase weapons on the internet.

In my view, each weapon should require a license, and training, and registration, and insurance.

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Response to guillaumeb (Original post)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 06:02 PM

3. People Control, Not Gun Control

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70ís, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that werenít secured are out of control in our society. As such, hereís what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. Iím not debating the legal language, I just think itís the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because itís clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learnerís license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driverís license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

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Response to Sancho (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 06:57 PM

4. That sounds good as well.

And we all know that these is no such thing as an unrestricted right. Even Antonin Scalia admitted as much.

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