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Mon Mar 22, 2021, 11:34 PM

I'm tired.

I'm really tired of the 'debate' over gun control.

Less than a third of people in the US own a gun. Only a third of them own five or more (disclaimer: I am one of them) so only 10% of the voting public seem to force their views on the 90% who don't share their fealty to the God that is a Gun.

70% of them own a gun for protection. From who? Other people with a gun.

Why? Because that 10% contribute to lobbies that buy enough of 538 legislators to pass the legislation that pleases them.

Think about that. 10% buy the loyalty of .000002% of the population to get what they want which is unfettered access to guns without restriction including military grade weapons.

How insane is that?

What does that 10% have to offer to control that .000002%? Not reason, brash narcissism and cash.

They claim that they are so powerful that THEY overturned the House and Senate in 1994 because of Clinton's assault weapon ban. Newt Gingrich launched the Contract for America that nationalized all elections, solidifying the Republican party. The Contract had 10 issues, not one of them mentioned guns. NOT ONE but they take credit for overturning 40 years of Democratic rule.

They claim that if Democrats would only embrace guns Republican would compromise.

They claim that no gun control can ever work notwithstanding the statistics that prove otherwise.

They say that the problem isn't that bad because suicides don't count as gun violence and things are better than they were 40 years ago.

They ignore that in the last 4 years deaths/100,000 have increased 40% and if the trend continues we will equal the worst level of violence in the last 50 years.

They just blithely make stuff up.

It's time to stop and have reason overcome bullshit.

Copy their tactic. Be loud and brash and insistent. Fund our lobbies.

All it takes for evil to prevail is for good to do nothing.

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Response to AndyS (Original post)

Mon Mar 22, 2021, 11:46 PM

1. Why do you own 5+ guns? Just curious.

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Response to Mosby (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 23, 2021, 12:02 AM

3. I am a collector of curios and relics.

I own six guns, five of them designed in 1885 and went into production in 1893. I have one modern firearm, a 12 gauge that I once thought I'd hunt Dove with. No birds were injured in this exercise in futility.

I once owned two semi automatic hand guns because they were unique in design, a Tokarov tt33 that was designed to use sub machine gun ammunition and had a muzzle velocity of 1400 feet per second, close to rifle velocity, and a Makarov because it had no lands or groves to make the gun accurate. They were both WWII vintage. After December 14, 2012 I had them both destroyed as per ATF specs.

I am not afraid of firearms, I'm afraid of people who worship them.

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Response to AndyS (Original post)

Mon Mar 22, 2021, 11:48 PM

2. Yet, Gungeoneers right here claim Democrats will lose in 2024 if they

push needed gun legislation.

Gunners who have pretty much remained silent while pro-gunner trump has been in office, are cranking the BS up again.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1172210043

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 23, 2021, 02:28 AM

5. If Trump ever had a gun pointed at him,

or even fired one himself, he would shit his diaper.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 23, 2021, 12:24 PM

8. If you'll notice

the same very vocal minority of RKBA cultists spout the very same propaganda about "gun control" endangering the Democratic label. They compare "grabbers" to GOP low-lifes who worship Trump while spouting comparable lies and NRA misinformation like Trump and his cult following.

The gun nuts do not understand the difference between "gun control" and "gun violence control." As has been said elsewhere on DU, I'm not afraid of guns -- I'm afraid of people who are gun fanatics, and those who feel the need to carry a gun 24/7.

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Response to AndyS (Original post)

Tue Mar 23, 2021, 12:26 AM

4. McDonald v. Chicago was the case which gave Them their victory.

That goddamn SCOTUS opinion in McDonald v. Chicago was as much of a setback to a modern, peaceable society as Plessy was to the cause of racial equality.

It took fifty years to get Plessy overturned.

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Response to AndyS (Original post)

Tue Mar 23, 2021, 03:16 AM

6. Guns have become far too expensive, America can no longer bear all the societal costs involved.

It's not just the never-ending loss of life, it's all the related costs gun manufacturers and gun owners always push off onto the rest of us. From increased police, legal and medical expenses to the social and racial unrest, constantly responding to the overwhelming presence of guns in America costs us way too much. We need to make those who profit from all this carnage pay the full cost.

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Response to sop (Reply #6)

Tue Mar 23, 2021, 08:39 AM

7. Not to mention militias . . .

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