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Tue Mar 23, 2021, 01:24 PM

Gunner arguments, sigh, so sad.

There are a limited number of arguments against limiting access to all guns all the time. They are just repeated loud and often.

First is usually some version of 2nd Amendment!!1!1 The Second Amendment doesn't mean what they think it does. In the Heller case Scalia clearly said that states have the power to limit the access to guns by type as well as where and when they can be carried. The SCOUTS has repeatedly refused to hear challenges to 'assault weapon' bans.

Guns are not the problem, society is. Last I looked gun ownership is part of the US society. It's built in. Just like drug addiction is part of society or spousal abuse or pedophilia. Yeah, I just went there equating the gun culture to other issues that plague us all. 'Cause it IS.

Gun restrictions get Republicans excited and they vote Democrats out. Uh, Is there ANY THING we can do to compromise with Republicans either in Government or on the street? I can's think of any, you?

Don't worry about guns, Medicare for All (or any other Democratic proposal) will save more lives. It is not a binary choice. Democrats can walk and chew gum. Why not get go for MFA and reduce gun violence so fewer people will need MFA?

Most gun deaths are suicide so it's not gun violence. So? Why shouldn't we try to prevent suicide? Secondly if suicide by gun isn't violent I challenge you to google image search on 'gun suicide' and consider that a loved on is usually the first to find the body and THEN explain to me that this isn't gun violence of the worst kind.

Suicide can't be prevented, if not a gun something else. Guns are 90% effective in suicide. Other methods only about 30%. For every failed attempt at suicide not successful only one in 10 is completed in a subsequent attempt. Remove guns from the situation and only 9% of gun suicides would choose another method.

You can't call it a buy back if you never owned the gun in the first place. You know you've won the day when your opponent results to niggling semantics.

It's confiscation (with compensation). Well it's actually called imminent domain. Happens all the time for good of the country and it's citizens. Get over it.

Gun laws only affect law abiding citizens. 80% of gun violence is committed by law abiding citizens who bought their guns legally. Like in Colorado, buy in the morning and kill in the afternoon. It's about damn time we start dealing with “law abiding citizens” who may, at any time, suddenly not be a law abiding citizens.

Anyway, you get the drift. Either nonsense or outright bullshit.



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Response to AndyS (Original post)

Tue Mar 23, 2021, 01:27 PM

1. Your arguments hold water for all sensible people. That includes me. n/t

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Tue Mar 23, 2021, 01:33 PM

2. +1. Sadly, you'll find much of that right here on DU. Thankfully, it's a minority, but still.

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Response to AndyS (Original post)

Tue Mar 23, 2021, 01:39 PM

3. Well stated

and spot on the mark. As Jim Jeffries says, gun nuts only have one argument (and it's not a very good one): I like guns. The extreme right wing has perverted the Second Amendment to mean something that it does not, and was never intended to mean: the universal right to own and carry a lethal weapon with absolutely no restrictions or regulation.

You are the perfect example of a responsible gun owner: you own a few guns, but recognize the responsibility that comes with the right to do so. Most gun owners that cry and moan about gun regulation are lax about gun safety, leave their deadly weapons accessible to children and don't secure them against theft, and are in general irresponsible with their guns.

Society has the absolute right to protect themselves from all forms of threat, and guns are right up there with the top health hazards in this country.

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Response to AndyS (Original post)

Tue Mar 23, 2021, 02:06 PM

4. I would like to see a poll comparing those who want no gun restrictions

...To those who ignore covid protections and vaccinations.
My bet is that the vast majority of them are one in the same.
These people do not have the capacity to understand until one of these unfortunate catastrophic events touches their lives. Until then I am finding it senseless to debate any of them.

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