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Thu Apr 22, 2021, 11:47 AM

How background checks for guns should work.

I'd like to see some serious reform of the background check system. As it is a search of the FBI data base for felony crimes and a search for involuntary mental care is about all there is.

This is how I'd like to see the background checks be made more effective:

Include a 'permit to purchase' issued by the nearest local law enforcement department. These people are nearest to the purchaser and if there are concerns they will be the ones who know about them. Is this person a scofflaw, causes disturbances not rising to the level of felony, a repeat minor offender or someone who is often in the attention of law enforcement for disturbance of the peace? Shouldn't that be grounds for increased scrutiny and at least a temporary prohibition? Include interviews with relatives and others close to the person to see if there are concerns about maturity and stability in that 'permit to purchase' process.

Include a search of public social media. How many times have we heard of a 'Manifesto' or outright threats found on social media AFTER a tragedy? Shouldn't a threat to 'put a bullet' in the head of Nancy Pelosi be grounds to refuse sales and temporarily remove firearms from someone?

Expand mental health prohibitions to anyone treated for a condition that would indicate a possibility of harm to themselves or others even if not rising to the level of an involuntary committal for care.

Beyond that those who know me know I favor the prohibition of all semi automatic firearms that have interchangeable magazines of any size. I see that as the only way to reduce the volume of deaths and injuries--make it harder to shoot fast and reload fast. If we can't prevent people from killing other people shouldn't at least make it inconvenient to kill a lot of them?


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AndyS Apr 22 OP
Grins Apr 22 #1
Tigerfan73 Apr 22 #2
marble falls Apr 22 #4
TomSlick Apr 22 #5
Sancho Apr 22 #3
GoodRaisin Apr 24 #6

Response to AndyS (Original post)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 12:06 PM

1. Like the British do.

First you donít go to a gun shop and buy a gun.
You go to the police and apply for the right to own one.

The application authorizes a background check that is as tough as a Top-Secret clearance background check. And there is no timeframe. It takes as long as it takes.

ONE reference from a neighbor, Doctor, minister, co-worker, neighbor, spouse, children, who says ďThat guy? No.Ē And thatís it. No permit and no gun.

(And by ďgun,Ē I mean single action hunting/target RIFLES or shotguns. NO HANDGUNS.)

Only the best-of-the-best citizens get to own guns.

Get the permit and later screw-up? Guns are TAKEN from you.

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Response to Grins (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 12:26 PM

2. Gun control

I think a lot of this would be helpful but I would like to start with mental health. We have been defunding mental health for a while. I think most would agree that all mass shooters have one thing in common, mental health issue. No sane person commits a mass murder.

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Response to Tigerfan73 (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 02:31 PM

4. What about the corporations and politicians that encourage and failitate the slaughter?

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Response to Tigerfan73 (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 08:28 PM

5. The problem is that people who become mass shooters don't think they have mental health issues.

If we had the best possible medical health available to anyone that wanted it, nascent mass shooters would not want ask for it.

It is difficult to force people to see a mental health professional unless a judge finds they are a danger to themselves or others. The mental health system is woefully underfunded but all the money in the world would not have a significant effect on gun violence.

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Response to AndyS (Original post)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 12:52 PM

3. Here's my suggestion....

People Control, Not Gun Control

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70ís, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that werenít secured are out of control in our society. As such, hereís what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. Iím not debating the legal language, I just think itís the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because itís clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learnerís license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driverís license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

For those who want to argue legality, please reference: The Second Amendment: A Biography by Michael Waldman

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Response to Sancho (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 24, 2021, 09:39 AM

6. I'm an advocate for licensing gun owners. Your post makes too much sense.

Common sense.

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