Here's what I think should happen in the realm of gun control.

[sked14]

1. Universal Background Checks, all firearms, handguns and rifles, should go through an FFL dealer background check.

2. Safe storage laws in the home when children are present and meaningful penalties for negligent deaths as a result of non compliance of such laws.

3. Mandatory training for the lawful use of firearms before first purchase.

4. Beef up the BATFE to go after corrupt dealers and citizens.

5. Strict regulations for CCW, IE: rigorous training on the lawful use firearms for self defense and the consequences of using said firearms.

6. National registration with the caveat that the database can never be used for confiscation.

7. Mag limits of 10 for handguns and 30 for long rifles. What's good for the govt. should be good for private citizens.

8. Repeal of all SYG laws, Castle Doctrine is quite sufficient for citizens.

9. I'm always open to other suggestions.

[flamin lib]

1. You go guy/girl! We can all work for this, we just have to actually WORK for it.

Call/email/petition your Congress Ritter. Remember, only you can prevent gun violence.

[sked14]

2. Guy.

And thank you for the encouragement.

[flamin lib]

5. I assumed as much as guns & guys seem to go together but

never assume out loud--makes an ass out of u or me

[CreekDog]

60. I think the OP doesn't actually believe in any gun control

they were banned as a repeat gun troll on DU.

the OP is just more games.

[billh58]

61. Exactly, and he is most likely

back under another screen name and trying to build his post count. The "but I'm really on your side" ploy is but one sign of a determined troll and gun nut.

[CreekDog]

62. well someone should welcome him back

wish him a nice flight and all.

[billh58]

63. LOL!

I'm sure someone is planning to do just that...

[Hoyt]

3. Not a bad list. I'd prefer tougher toting restrictions in cities and limits on gun acquisition.

Other ways to handle this would be significant taxes on gun accumulators, certain types of gunz, toting, etc. The tax money would be used to promote alternatives to guns, non-NRA training, Anti-gun culture ads, promotional efforts to teach young girls that gun fanciers are not desirable (Ok, maybe a bit much), etc.

[sked14]

4. That might be reaching too far and invite a backlash from gun owners,

but I do value all opinions and will give them serious consideration.

[Hoyt]

6. I think it's time to stop worrying about a backlash from inconsiderate gun abusers. Seriously.

[sked14]

7. I'm talking about the gun owners who vote, don't discount them,

it would be a serious mistake on our part.

[Hoyt]

8. The vast majority of gun abusers are right/white wingers. I doubt there are many true Democrats

who would vote for a Republican over gunz.

[sked14]

10. And this is exactly why gun threads denigrate into

insults and turmoil.
I know you're better than this and I hope we can come together and pass meaningful laws that will slow down the carnage without the rhetoric that invades these threads.

[Hoyt]

12. A is the meme that tough gun laws will cost us votes. It won't. Those that obsessed with gunz

aren't likely to vote for true Democrats.

Let's do what us right and best for society longterm. It worked for Australia in 1996. Too bad we didn't bite the bullet at the same time.

[sked14]

15. We will never have Australia or UK style gun laws,

so, let's try to pass what is possible in this country in the long run, which I have outlined in my thread.
I don't agree with you that tough laws will not cost us votes, but that's my opinion.

[Hoyt]

19. We won't if we keep proposing laws that won't stop gun proliferation and gun love.

A lot of the "practical/reasonable" gun laws don't do enough and are just kicking that can down the road. If we adopt every one of your suggestions, we'll still have 100 million more guns in a decade to deal with and tens of thousands more Zimmermans, Dunns, Reeves, Loughners running around armed when more folks come to their senses about the need to do something.

[sked14]

20. I agree that we, as a nation, need to do something,

but that something isn't alienating the 80 million or so gun owners in this nation.
Let's work together to pass what is possible rather than reaching for what's not feasible and losing what momentum that we could gain with reasonable and reachable gun control laws.

[Hoyt]

21. Do you really think a Democrat that has a gun or 2 for hunting or home defense would feel alienated

and vote for Ted Cruz, Rick Perry, Rand Paul, etc., because they can't buy a bunch more or walk down city streets armed like they live in a war zone or South Africa of the 1950s. I don't.

[sked14]

22. The majority of gun owners these days aren't about hunting,

it's about self defense and most do agree with UBC's, mag limits, beefed up ATF enforcement, are you willing to alienate them for what's not reachable in the forseeable future?
I'm not. I would rather work with firearms owners, hunters and others to achieve what's possible than to piis them off and suffer the backlash.
Just ask William Jefferson Clinton how well that worked out in 94.

[Hoyt]

23. Sorry, I don't think true Democrats will vote Republican over gunz.

Especially, if they can still keep a gun or two. If they are into Kal-Tecs, strutting armed down city streets, stand your ground, support Zimmerman, and stuff like that, they are not likely a Democrat or Independent who would vote for a Democrat.

[SQUEE]

28. Vote repub?.. never.

Withhold thier vote, more likely. I know that I will not support with money or votes those who will trample my or anyone elses rights. I give my time and money to individual candidates not the corporatist Democratic national party, therefore in my state,I will only help a pro 2A Dem contender. Luckily, here in the South they are easy to find.

Good to see you have paid attention to my repeated mention of NON NRA affiliated training.

[Hoyt]

30. Sorry, withholding a vote is a vote for a Republican. You'd do that over gunz?

I live in the South too, and most of the folks into gunz are bigots, tbaggers, lightly educated, and worse. And I'm talking over 90%.

[SQUEE]

32. No, a vote for a Republican is a vote for a Republican.

The Democratic machine needs to realize that merely being less worse than the Repubs does not entitle them to my vote. I find suffrage to be one of the greatest honors i have as an American and as such hold my vote, and yours as well, as a precious thing. I highly value my rights, and spend my votes to keep them. I also value many other things, and they factor in to my votes... I purposely live in a State where I do not have to worry about that and therefore can vote Democratic, just as i have since my first chance vote, which I did for Ann Richards, who though I disagree with on her stance about concealed carry, got my vote twice.

[Hoyt]

33. Sorry that you are that enamored with gunz. I guess it's tough breaking free for some folks.

[Packerowner740]

26. And there he goes.

[billh58]

45. There is that NRA

lie again: "alienating 80 million or so gun owners in this nation." Bullshit! ALL gun owners do not agree with you or your "let's compromise" gunner stance. At least half of those American Liberal gun owners are supportive of gun control legislation that does not infringe on the intent of the Second Amendment as defined in Heller: self-protection in the home and traditional uses such as hunting. At least 40 million of those American gun owners are Liberal Democrats and responsible gun owners.

Nice try, but no cigar.

[sked14]

46. Whatever, you seem to want nothing more than to argue rather than

have a civil dialog.
On that note, carry on without me, I'll save my comments for those that truly want to discuss in a civil manner.

[billh58]

47. No, I want to make sure that

the truth is presented in order to counter right-wing bullshit and outright lies spread by the NRA and it's apologists.

[sked14]

48. No, what you want to do is attack anyone who has differing view than you do

with the RW and NRA apologist label.
Maybe if you had bothered to read my thread, you would see that I'm more in your camp.

[billh58]

39. So you are setting

the tone and the SOP for this safe haven group now?

[sked14]

40. So you're just looking for a confrontation instead of a meaningful

dialog?

[billh58]

41. "Meaningful dialog"

is a very subjective term, and you don't get to define it -- at least not in this Group. This Gun Control Reform Activism Group was formed to discuss ways of moving gun control legislation forward, and not to argue the merits of gun control.

You are not the first one to try this "but I'm really on your side" tactic, and in fact you sound very familiar. But as you say Bubba, carry on...

[sked14]

42. If that's what you want to believe, then carry on,

but you'll do it without me and I'll continue to attempt to have a meaningful dialog with the other, less confrontational members here who seem to like my ideas as outlined in my thread.

[sked14]

44. It would seem that you didn't even bother to read the thread, but instead

went on the attack immediately, why is that?

[CreekDog]

55. sked14 was banned by the admins

fyi.

[billh58]

56. And rightfully so as he was

formerly known as Ranchemp, WildBird, and Tumtum. I have no doubt that he'll be back, but he is so transparent that he won't last long. Gun trolls don't seem to be very bright...

[flamin lib]

13. Let's not fall into the trap of painting with a broad brush.

I own rather a lot of firearms and really want to change our national mindset about guns.

If you are afraid in your home get an alarm, if you feel the need to carry a gun everywhere you go get help.

[Packerowner740]

25. You'll find he has a pretty extreme way of getting his ideas out there

[flamin lib]

9. It's really hard to legislate by description.

I can see a tax on ammo to pay for the other stuff--sort of a use tax on those of us who shoot a lot. I really like the advertising program idea--change hearts and minds so the behavior will follow.

[sked14]

11. I really wouldn't mind paying a little bit more for ammo,

say, .2 cents more per bullet. I think that's reasonable.

[Hoyt]

14. I think a little more is needed.

[sked14]

17. I'd be willing to go as high as 5 cents more per bullet, anything

after that might trigger a court challenge.

[SecularMotion]

16. You're preaching to the choir in here.

I see no one has responded to same post in RKBA.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172137255

[flamin lib]

18. Yeah, but it's out there and that's something' nt

[Packerowner740]

24. I agree with everything except number 6

[indie9197]

27. Nobody with a 9mm will accept #7.

The reason to have a 9mm instead of .45 is because you get more capacity. My CZ75 holds 16 + 1.

[sked14]

29. I see your point.

How about this, which has been suggested in the other gun group, mag limits to include what the particular firearm was designed for? Like your CZ75? Or, the mag can't extend beyond the handle of the gun?
I'm very open to suggestions that will help this discussion along.

[Hoyt]

31. Maybe it is irrational to think you need that capacity. In any event, that just shows gun fanciers

will not accept reasonable gun restrictions.

[sked14]

34. It's exactly your type of comments, along with the extreme fringes like Nugent,

and others that make reasonable debate nigh onto impossible, instead of constantly belittling those that choose to own and legally carry, why not add something positive to the discussion like most here have.

[Hoyt]

37. Anyone that thinks they need 14 or 16 capacity mags is delusional. I'm sorry, that's a fact.

This is not a war zone, nor are most folks faced with the kind of crud you see watching too much tv. I learned just how delusional gun fanciers are when the gungeon crew were talking about their red dot sights which are helpful if they need to clear a room. Sorry, Sked, half-assed gun restrictions aren't gonna solve the delusions these folks live under, and where we are headed with gunz in this country.

[sked14]

38. Well then, carry on.

[billh58]

35. You seem to have upset

a "but I'm really on your side" infiltrator from RKBA.

[sked14]

36. Who would that be?

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Never mind.

[billh58]

57. If you're still lurking, now

you know Bubba...

[ellisonz]

49. 30 rounds for "long rifles"

Fuck that.

[ellisonz]

50. Also, the Castle Doctrine isn't all that different from Stand Your Ground.

[shenmue]

51. I'm fine with most of that

I think these ideas would be helpful.

[David2775]

52. Kudos!

Well said sked14. . .

[Kingofalldems]

53. Hey there!

Interesting ideas.

[flightplan]

54. I like those ideas.

[billh58]

58. Welcome back.

That was quick...

[flightplan]

59. Huh?

[Hassin Bin Sober]

64. Howdy, Marshal!

[CreekDog]

66. you're repeating yourself

[billh58]

68. Well Mr. flightplan,

Sked14, Ranchemp, WildBird, Tumtum, and the various other screen names you've used over the years, enjoy your pizza and your retirement. I have no doubt that you'll be back, as trolls take being banned multiple times as a game. We'll keep the light on for you...

[billh58]

69. Don't you just love

it when trolls reply to themselves...?