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Scuba

(53,475 posts)
Thu Jul 3, 2014, 08:19 AM Jul 2014

"He took his 11-year-old daughter to the neighborhood pool, gave her a loaded .22 for protection..."

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/07/daniel-zimmerman/irresponsible-gun-owner-day-john-ruiz/#more-327325

Every parent runs into the problem: what to do with your wee bairn if you have to run out unexpectedly. So when John Ruiz of Albuquerque needed an emergency tattoo, he did what he had to do. He took his 11-year-old daughter to the neighborhood pool, gave her a loaded .22 for protection and left her there. A neighborhood mom noticed the girl with the gat and called the local 5-0 . . .

Apparently it was just a momentary lapse on Ruiz’s part, though. As he told a reporter, “You guys don’t know about harassment or anything else. We’re good people, I don’t know what to tell you. I made a mistake, that’s it.” He’s been charged with child endangerment and is currently out on bail.

Maybe next time he feels the need for ink, he’ll let her play by the side of an interstate with his shiny new IGOTD trophy. That should entertain her for a while.



IGOTD = Irresponsible Gun Owner of the Day.
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"He took his 11-year-old daughter to the neighborhood pool, gave her a loaded .22 for protection..." (Original Post) Scuba Jul 2014 OP
Good gawd! NV Whino Jul 2014 #1
He needs to have an "L" tattooed on his forehead. Laurian Jul 2014 #2
Too Late DustyJoe Jul 2014 #4
Y'all may want to glance at the comments to the original story. genwah Jul 2014 #3
Amazing. Scuba Jul 2014 #5
I agree with one billh58 Jul 2014 #6
Some people should not have guns...people control, not gun control! Sancho Jul 2014 #7
May I also suggest? All gun owners must have insurance to cover potential damage rurallib Jul 2014 #8
I agree about the insurance... Sancho Jul 2014 #10
+100 billh58 Jul 2014 #9

DustyJoe

(849 posts)
4. Too Late
Thu Jul 3, 2014, 10:12 AM
Jul 2014

He already has half the alphabet tattooed on his scalp, i'm sure there is an L in there somewhere. Appearances and location indicating a local hispanic gangbanger all growed up teaching his daughter the way of the street. I grew up in Abq. and can understand the feeling of a parent for child safety in the gangridden areas of town, but would opt to find a pool in a different area or something else for the kids to do in a less gang crime area of town.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
6. I agree with one
Thu Jul 3, 2014, 10:58 AM
Jul 2014

of the comments: people with tattoos on their head shouldn't have guns or children.

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
7. Some people should not have guns...people control, not gun control!
Thu Jul 3, 2014, 10:58 AM
Jul 2014

This is my generic response to gun threads. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.).
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, rent scuba equipment, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

rurallib

(62,406 posts)
8. May I also suggest? All gun owners must have insurance to cover potential damage
Thu Jul 3, 2014, 11:19 AM
Jul 2014

including loss of life.
Let the insurance industry insure against loss of life and property due to the use of firearms.
- Those who are responsible and licensed will have lower rates.
- like cars, if a person has a gun and no insurance they can go to jail
- If a person loses a gun, they still must carry insurance on it since that gun may now be used in an illegal act for which they would be responsible because they did not properly care for their guns.
- Sales can only be made once a person has proof of insurance.

For one thing, this would move the cost of damage caused by guns to those who have them instead of society as a whole.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
9. +100
Thu Jul 3, 2014, 12:16 PM
Jul 2014

All great suggestions which should be implemented through the legislative process at all levels of government as required.

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