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Wed Apr 24, 2013, 04:37 PM

Friedrich Nietzsche quotes

At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do not cease to be insipid.


The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.


You need chaos in your soul to give birth to a dancing star.


He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.

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discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2013 OP
Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2013 #1
discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2013 #2
rrneck Apr 2013 #3
discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2013 #7
TreasonousBastard Apr 2013 #4
discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2013 #8
ismnotwasm Apr 2013 #5
discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2013 #6
ismnotwasm Apr 2013 #9
discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2013 #10
ismnotwasm Apr 2013 #11
discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2013 #12
Sweeney Dec 2014 #13

Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 08:46 PM

1. a film you may interested in - When Nietzsche Wept

Viennese doctor Josef Breuer meets with philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche to help him deal with his despair.

more at link:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0760188/?ref_=sr_2

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 08:55 PM

2. Thanks

I'll check it out.

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 10:20 PM

3. For some reason

the quote reminds me of my favorite poem. Maybe because it is much like the way I make art.

The Pitcher


His art is eccentricity, his aim

How not to hit the mark he seems to aim at,



His passion how to avoid the obvious,

His technique how to vary the avoidance.




The others throw to be comprehended. He

Throws to be a moment misunderstood.



Yet not too much. Not errant, arrant, wild,

But every seeming aberration willed.



Not to, yet still, still to communicate

Making the batter understand too late.



----Robert Francis

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Response to rrneck (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 25, 2013, 05:57 PM

7. Oh baseball...

Nothing against Robert Francis but my favorite work on baseball is by Abbott and Costello.

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2013, 02:42 AM

4. Oh, I don't remember the exact quote, but...

it was about despising someone who brags about not committing some dreadful sin he was never interested in committing in the first place.

The truly moral person is one who resists temptation because no matter how tempted, the act would be wrong.

Choices. Freddie was big on choices.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #4)

Thu Apr 25, 2013, 06:04 PM

8. IMHO...

...as time passes our choices become fewer leaving us finally with a Hobson's choice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobson%27s_choice

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2013, 12:56 PM

5. Because of someone's post

I went and read "Gravity's Rainbow" by Thomas Pynchon. ( I would have sworn I had read it before, but noooo. Took me a month)

So themes of cause and effect and paranoia linger in my mind. ( Because now, I'm RE-READING it, even slower, savoring in a way, the combination of the sublime and the obscene)


Pynchon, from what I understand was influenced by Nietchzsche so I went and looked for an appropriate quote, and found this:

Cause and effect: such a duality probably never exists; in truth we are confronted by a continuum out of which we isolate a couple of pieces, just as we perceive motion only as isolated points and then infer it without ever actually seeing it. The suddenness with which many effects stand out misleads us; actually, it is sudden only for us. In this moment of suddenness there are an infinite number of processes which elude us. An intellect that could see cause and effect as a continuum and a flux and not, as we do, in terms of an arbitrary division and dismemberment, would repudiate the concept of cause and effect and deny all conditionality.


(I picked the Chaos one BTW, the poetry of it appeals to me)

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 25, 2013, 02:03 PM

6. IMHO...

...chaos is only chaos if you don't look closely enough or if you look too closely.


Chaos is an aspect of free will.

- Life is like a game of cards. The hand you are dealt is determinism; the way you play it is free will. - Jawaharlal Nehru
- I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road. - Stephen Hawking
- We must believe in free will we have no choice. - Isaac Bashevis Singer

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 26, 2013, 01:03 PM

9. Chaos is a boogeyman

In mythology and mathematics. I like that the mathematical theory was found by studying the weather--no reason, I just do.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 26, 2013, 02:08 PM

10. Which theory?

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 26, 2013, 07:10 PM

11. Chaos theory


Chaos theory is a field of study in mathematics, with applications in several disciplines including physics, engineering, economics, biology, and philosophy. Chaos theory studies the behavior of dynamical systems that are highly sensitive to initial conditions, an effect which is popularly referred to as the butterfly effect. Small differences in initial conditions (such as those due to rounding errors in numerical computation) yield widely diverging outcomes for such dynamical systems, rendering long-term prediction impossible in general. This happens even though these systems are deterministic, meaning that their future behavior is fully determined by their initial conditions, with no random elements involved. In other words, the deterministic nature of these systems does not make them predictable This behavior is known as deterministic chaos, or simply chaos. This was summarised by Edward Lorenz as follows:

Chaos: When the present determines the future, but the approximate present does not approximately determine the future.




An early pioneer of the theory was Edward Lorenz whose interest in chaos came about accidentally through his work on weather prediction in 1961. Lorenz was using a simple digital computer, a Royal McBee LGP-30, to run his weather simulation. He wanted to see a sequence of data again and to save time he started the simulation in the middle of its course. He was able to do this by entering a printout of the data corresponding to conditions in the middle of his simulation which he had calculated last time.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory

I'm so NOT a mathematician but like I like this story.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #11)

Fri Apr 26, 2013, 08:07 PM

12. I have a vague memory of hearing of this.

I'll have to read some.

Thanks

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