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Sat May 4, 2013, 01:06 AM

--> Optimists are happier but a circumspect cynic is usually right. <--

I'm fishing for comments on this little assertion. It's not a trap and I'm not coming back with some grand statement of some kind. It's just a thought that came into my feeble brain and it would be nice to hear some argument, comment or affirmation. I am wondering it's validity myself. Seems a bit too simple but I also see truth in it.

Any takers?

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Reply --> Optimists are happier but a circumspect cynic is usually right. <-- (Original post)
defacto7 May 2013 OP
applegrove May 2013 #1
LostOne4Ever May 2013 #2
rrneck May 2013 #3
seabeyond May 2013 #4
ismnotwasm May 2013 #5
Tuesday Afternoon May 2013 #6
OntheFringe87 Sep 2015 #7
yallerdawg Oct 2015 #8
Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #9

Response to defacto7 (Original post)

Sat May 4, 2013, 02:15 AM

1. I've read it. Happy people are a little

delusional. Sad people not so much. Think of what happens at the end of a bout of sadness: you accept some unfortunate truth about yourself or the world around you, you perhaps cry, then you reconnect to the world with this new understanding, albeit on a slightly different path than you were on before. But that path has helped you grow and see the world without your rose colored glasses. You are closer to self actualization. And you could not have gotten there had you remained happy only.

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Response to defacto7 (Original post)

Sat May 4, 2013, 04:07 AM

2. I think the cynic wins on both

Hes either always proven right or is pleasantly surprised.

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Response to defacto7 (Original post)

Sat May 4, 2013, 09:43 AM

3. Self delusion is a form of incentive.

If you knew exactly how things would turn out, there would be no point in trying. If you knew they would turn out bad, even less point. But if you imagine things will be good, whether they are or not, then you want to go find out.

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Response to defacto7 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2013, 09:59 AM

4. being an optimist could merely be seeing many opportunities or

 

outcomes. an ability to be flexible in thought. i do not see why optimism is an avoidance of truth. or why being happy means ignoring truth to live in delusion.

are we suggesting that one cannot see the truth and be happy?

if one accepts reality in all that it is, and can still be optimistic, then i think that person would way outweigh the cynic who is looking to create a scenario matching the cynism and can not see truth equally.

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Response to defacto7 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2013, 12:21 PM

5. I read somewhere that non-clinical depressives are usually realists

I don't necessarily agree with this though, the human condition has room for all kinds of behavior as well as outcomes, but we are conditioned to expect the worst. Cynicism always has a aftertaste of schadenfreude to it.

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Response to defacto7 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2013, 12:42 PM

6. Be happy in spite of it all. Happiness comes from within and radiates outward.

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Response to defacto7 (Original post)

Fri Sep 18, 2015, 07:33 PM

7. Hmm...

In my humble opinion, optimists are usually right. Cynics are miserable and mostly completely wrong..

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Response to defacto7 (Original post)

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 02:49 PM

8. What about "Pessimistic Optimism"?

"Hope for the best, plan for the worst"?

Can an optimist ever be disappointed?

Or do they really cheerfully turn lemons into lemonade? And are never disappointed?


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Response to defacto7 (Original post)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 06:44 PM

9. Usually, yes...however

there can be joy in the risk-taking itself.

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