The new sales tactic. Hillary is a progressive.

[Phlem]

I can't fucking stand it anymore. What's next, pigs can fly? Curious what this group thinks.

[on point]

1. DLC thinks it is about 'marketing' (e.g. the con), and not about principled positions

Real philosophy and policies needs to be discussed, action plans put forward. Not trying out different colors of lipstick to see which one will stick.

The political and the news shows always talk about 'is this selling well', and never delve into a policy to see if it is sensible or will make a difference. Too much work for shallow talking heads.

Pols need to get away from 'selling' and get to 'working' for the people.

[Enthusiast]

4. With media help they can get any message across that they wish.

Remember, the media characterizes the President as a liberal and possible socialist.

[Cosmic Kitten]

17. It's "marketing" to insulate the 1% from the peasantry

The "new" democrats have been doing this for decades.

Hillary has proven time and again she will say/do whatever
is politically expedient.

The Pols will never get away from 'selling' and get to 'working' for the people.
To accomplish that would require a sea change ;~)

[sabrina 1]

28. Yes, you are so right. And it's disgusting. All these think tank braindead morons who are so far

removed from the voters, act as if they are Sales Persons for some product. And they can't understand why, what they obviously think are 'brilliant' marketing ideas, ARE FAILING so miserably.

Who thinks up this stuff? We should have access to these think tanks.

Bernie, eg, speaks from the heart. I never hear 'talking points' from him. Same thing with Warren. On the issue she is most dedicated to, she doesn't need 'talking points'.

There should be a crawl at the end of every political speech saying: 'Watch out for the 'talking points' and I think we should talking points a poisonous term.

Honest people don't need talking points. They just talk and when they talk about things THEY are passionate about, people listen.

[eridani]

2. Only compared to Republicans

A Clinton administration would be marginally less shitty for the 99%.

[djean111]

3. Well, hopefully we won't see that damned list and little chart in this thread, at least.

No, she is not Progressive.
Yes, it is gonna be a nauseating year of marketing her as if she is.
I would respect the Third Way more if they just came out and said fuck you hippie unicorn lovers, we are The Third Way and we have all the money, so just turn around and bend over. After voting for us.

[msongs]

5. she's as progressive as obama. don't you like obama? nt

[Phlem]

6. You mean the guy pitching the TPP like

it's full of Rainbows and Unicorns?

[Maedhros]

7. Yes, I've noticed the new re-branding effort.

For example:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=392540

http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/14/politics/crowdpac-video-and-story/

Progressives deride her as cozy with Wall Street but Hillary Clinton appears to be a near-ideological equal on banking policy with Elizabeth Warren, the liberal crusader for financial reform.

That convention-busting piece of data is one of the many surprises released Wednesday from a novel political ranking system that uses public campaign finance data to plot where potential White House contenders fall on the political spectrum. The results were provided exclusively to CNN before Wednesday's release.

Yes, a "novel" complicated black-box generates results that show that Clinton is "a near-idealogical equal on banking policy with "Elizabeth Warren." Interesting that Warren is being bandied about the primary opponent most favored by liberals and progressives, and that Hillary's support among that group is sagging.

I'm sure glad to learn that Hillary is just as liberal as her opponent, and just in time! Trust us, this "novel political ranking system" says so!

[Phlem]

8. "Sounds like the typical progressive mentality."

from an OP pitching for Hillary. Our own party is severely fucked. Centrists are actually fighting against progressives. Sometimes our big umbrella can be too big.

[RiverLover]

29. The "big tent" is their aim & they want Robt Reich to support Hill from left.

Alot of us will be supremely disappointed in him if this reported plan works & he backs her. At least I know I will be, & I won't be able to take him seriously ever again~

Inside Hillary Clinton’s 2016 plan

...Reflecting other lessons learned, the campaign is being planned with more of a “big-tent mentality,” as one adviser put it. And Bill Clinton is being integrated from the start, after feeling isolated from parts of her campaign against Barack Obama.

One component of Hillary Clinton’s emerging strategy involves quietly but aggressively courting key endorsers from the left, who could help increase progressives’ comfort level and take the wind out of a potential challenge. Two top targets: Robert Reich, the economist and former labor secretary in her husband’s administration, and Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.), the civil rights icon. In December, she won public endorsements from former Democratic National Committee Chairman and Vermont Gov. Howard Dean and Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.)....

[Phlem]

31. If RR does endorse Hillary

He'll never be taken seriously by progressives again. I'm afraid he'll gain a whole lot of new centrist friends however. Seriously the thought of him endorsing H. just blows me away. And your right, Howard Dean lost some credibility with me for endorsing her.

[NV Whino]

9. Phtt

Hey, I have a bridge to sell. Anyone interested.

[fadedrose]

10. I am so happy

that after November of next year, 2016, only 10-1/2 months away, we will no longer talk about Hillary Clinton and this dreaded election.

She will lose or win. That's the end of her campaigns for life.

If she loses, DU will be a happier place with less arguing and more thoughtful topics discussed. If she wins, DU will be a quieter place, with fewer of us even bothering to come here.

Ten and a half months. Can hardly wait.

[Phlem]

11. I hear that!

And personally can't wait either. It's the purposeful deception that chaps my hide but I agree with everything you said.

[RiverLover]

14. Extremely good analysis, fadedrose. nt

[Cosmic Kitten]

18. +1

But in the interim, lets get a Populist movement rolling ;~)

[fadedrose]

19. A lot of courage required to lead

and I'm too old.

The right man for leading is on the job. I watched Rachel last night and found out that our President was in Idaho and Kansas speaking at colleges. He lost big in both elections in these states.

What makes it so fascinating is the Koch brothers home base and headquarters is in Kansas, and Obama spoke at a college greatly funded by them. That's takes, I would say "balls," but football is using that word so I'll just say courage, being old-fashioned

Wonder what the Kochs' thought about it. Oh to be a fly on the wall.

Slight edit: The visits to ID and KA were the day after his outstanding SOTU speech... apparently planned long before his speech was so successful. And the invitation must have gone out to him ages ago. The young will save the world yet.

[Cosmic Kitten]

21. Better late than never, eh.

It's encouraging to see the president
doing some effective public speaking.

[tridim]

26. The other option is for her to neither lose nor win.

IMO it is by far her best option.

[jeff47]

12. Well, at least she'd be trying a new tactic instead of replaying 2008.

Yes, I know she's doing well in current polling versus the entire GOP. I'm still very concerned that 2008 Clinton will make it close. And close isn't good enough anymore.

[RiverLover]

13. Its sickening, and you KNOW the general public will buy into the utter BS

Lambs to slaughter.

[dflprincess]

15. And Romney suddenly cares about the poor

Both Mittens and Clinton see and hear the reaction to what Sanders and Warren say and they're willing to talk the talk knowing full well that, if elected, they'll never follow through.

[Phlem]

16. Exactly.

The current quip are Supreme Court Judge positions.

My argument to that is why did the Dem's rollover so easy when *Shrub* was filling those seats.

It's the makeup of Dem's, the Third Way will compromise their constituents for corporate and 1 % interests but real Dem's think of their constituents first. For some reason that's some kind of purity test? When we tell our politicians what we want and they support us?

This fantasy of Third Way Politicians actually being honest to liberal Dem's drives me nuts. Some how they will keep the wolves at bay when they're the one's who've been letting them in the backdoor for 30 plus years. And they are the one's who bent in the shallow breeze and confirmed Alito and the gang.

The lack of critical thinking is astounding.

All they see is, pick a Dem who, on paper looks like they can win, to avoid Republicans filling SC positions. Not recognizing the fact that it was Democrats who helped them into those positions.

Of course it will be all our fault when Hillary loses even though they're saying they don't need our votes.

Sorry. I get just as frustrated when I talk to Republicans and I don't think that's coincidence.

Why can't we infiltrate the Republican party like they've done to the Democratic Party.

[Cosmic Kitten]

20. The lack of critical thinking is astounding.

It's generations of conditioning.
People WANT to pick a side and cheer "their team"
Politics has become a spectator sport, like the NFL.
No spectator is on a pro team, but they rise and fall
based on if "their team" wins or loses.

Wait until charter schools finally extinguish "thinking".
Obedience will be the only "education" provided.

[aspirant]

23. Even if a dem wins the 2016 presidency

a repub senate won't confirm a second coming of Ginsburg. At best we will get a milky toast centrist that will flip-flop back and forth on issues.

The days of giving an elected President the courtesy of confirming his nominees are long gone.

[semanticwikiian]

22. remember the Peace Dividend

from our 'success' in the Cold War then just ended?
that Bill & Hillary crowed about during their campaign?
that they said would now flow to non-defense priorities?

Upon entering office, not one peep. Nothing. Nada. Zero. Zip.
Fooled again.

[rhett o rick]

24. H. Clinton's campaign is nothing if it isn't ironic. Her supporters have openly disparaged

the Left and yet claim they are liberals. Their answer when confronted about this disparity is that Sen Warren and the Warren Wing are "Extreme Left". Ask them how "extreme left" policies differ from theirs and they will shut up. They don't discuss stands only personalities.

H. Clinton is progressive on a few issues that Goldman-Sachs doesn't care about, other than that, she is very conservative.

Citizens United came about from an attempt to defeat H. Clinton. How ironic if Citizens United helps H. Clinton-Sachs win the nomination.

[Phlem]

25. Never thought about asking them to

compare policies. I'll try that next time but your right, the extreme left for me would be communism, which is not what's being discussed on DU. Thanks Bud.

[rhett o rick]

27. I have even listed my stands on issues and dared them to do the same. I've done this

dozens of times and never gotten a response. They will call me extreme but not explain how I am extreme.

[aspirant]

30. Extreme?

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Don' t they know the LEFTIES LISTEN and the Righties Ridicule

Or LEFTIES LEAD and Righties Ration