Well I guess that I upset the good doctor..

There. Fixed it.

For your courage.

man - people are angry though! Calling him a corporate tool, just going at him. I kind of feel bad because I don't think it's necessary to name call or be so rude. Yes, I was a bit rude, but at least he saw enough in my post to respond.

used to skew the election in favor of the powers that be!

This is highly discouraging, but I will fight for Bernie until the end, at which point, unless Super Delegates are gotten rid of... I may just retire from politics.

Like back in 68 the delegates choosing McCarthy instead of Humphrey. The party doesn't want just any rift raft to be their candidate. Even if a person won every state, they reserve the right to make the correct decision to do what it best for THEIR party.

Germany I believe is an example. I may be wrong.

Difference. I found that out in HS.

Choices:
retire
go over to the dark side
keep fighting.

From Galaxy Quest: never give up, never surrender that's my choice!

Don't want the rabble to get big heads.

"I want to keep my word to vote for Clinton"

Roger that.

@GovHowardDean @BernieSanders I understand the SD system. So you don't believe that 73% of Vt. Dems also want what's best for the country?

just drive the point home

Waiting... waiting...

"Well, aren't you special!"

Democracy my ass.

and then 13.5% of those were for Hillary and 73% for Howard. I may be wrong though. Did they have an open primary?

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/vermont

Sanders 86.1 - 13.6 Clinton

I believe it is an open primary, as there is no political registration in Vermont.

86% were the TOTAL amount of Dems that voted in the primary (so 14% being indys or even repubs) and then from the 86%, 73% of total voters were Dems voting for Bernie and 13-14% of total voters were Dems voting for Hillary.

Now that I look at it, my numbers are screwy. lol... Argh!

What's weird is that no one on twitter has disputed my numbers - yet.

Mr Dean said he would do what he deems best. That 73% of Vermont voters think something else is best demonstrates neither that Mr Dean "knows," nor that Vermont "knows."

More to the point, I think, would be the question of why, if say the majority of the country wanted Mr Sanders, Mr Dean would still think Mrs Clinton was best. However, what is "best" is not really a question subject to majority choice, unless you consider "best" to equate to "most desired."

Ya know, we fought this battle a long time ago, on the other side. Something about "virtual representation" and "taxation without representation."

However, there is another point. The Democratic Party is not the United States. It is a party. A faction, to put a finer point on it. Super Delegates do not exist to serve the nation, they exist to serve the Party. We may be facing a situation this year, where the two do not coincide, and where "the good of the Party" does not correlate to "The good of the country" (Mr Dean's explanation notwithstanding)

-- Mal

and this: Super Delegates do not exist to serve the nation, they exist to serve the Party
is especially true.

My last tweet to him (when he included me on a tweet that he was responding to someone else about) did say something more like that:
Magwyer ‏@MagwyerGrimes 2h2 hours ago
@GovHowardDean @D_Born @BernieSanders Hillary wasn't even viable in your state. It's your duty to vote for Bernie.
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@MagwyerGrimes @D_Born @BernieSanders if you don't tell me what to do I won't tell you what to do. I'm sure we can make up our own minds

Then I said: Dana Born ‏@D_Born now
@GovHowardDean @MagwyerGrimes @BernieSanders well, he can vote however he wants but it doesn't answer why he's going against 73% of VT Dem

You are right and thanks!

Pretty tetchy, aren't we, Mr Dean? Guilty conscience maybe? Probably not, in fact, just frustrated that his alliance costs him credibility.

-- Mal

"Are you even from Vermont??". lol... he's mad.

We can see what he thinks of Vermonters and their silly "votes."

I'm not on twitter.
But breaking his oath of office, ie represent the people, to keep a promise to Hilary, is just wrong.

but I'll bet he won't respond IF he sees what happened to Dr. Dean.

Giving his support to the very same establishment that crucified him in 2004. Stockholm syndrome?

Here's a small TASTE of the many, many responses:


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1h: @GovHowardDean @D_Born @BernieSanders
In a democracy, why should a superdelegate's vote be more important than any other individual's?
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Mar 5: @GovHowardDean Your SD vote goes 2 Hillary no matter what? Way to represent the people! @BernieSanders will make a great Prez in spite of u
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37m: @Mellynjess @GovHowardDean @D_Born @BernieSanders How arrogant is that statement??? I hope everyone is seeing this corruption now.
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1h: @GovHowardDean @D_Born @BernieSanders Hillary wasn't even viable in your state. It's your duty to vote for Bernie.
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1h: @D_Born @BernieSanders Super delegates don't "represent people" I'm not elected by anyone. I'll do what I think is right for the country
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@GovHowardDean @D_Born @BernieSanders "Super Delegates" shouldn't exist. I don't want to continue to be ruled by elites.
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45m: @GovHowardDean @D_Born @BernieSanders well, looks like you not winning the Presidency was good for "those people you don't represent" then
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55m: @GovHowardDean @D_Born @BernieSanders As a Vermonter, this makes me sick. The people spoke, overwhelmingly. 86-14. Time to do what is right.
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@wavesofeuphoria @Mellynjess @GovHowardDean @D_Born No. Rule in place to protect against, e.g., Trump.
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DZ ‏@dzprod 1m1 minute ago
@youngshane @GovHowardDean @D_Born @BernieSanders he won't answer this because he can't without giving himself an unwanted reality check.
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Lee Junn ‏@LeeJunn8 1m1 minute ago
@D_Born @GovHowardDean @BernieSanders No, Howie knows better than anyone else does, because he likes ushering in the Oligarchy.
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In a democracy, why should a superdelegate's vote be more important than any other individual's?
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Howard Dean ‏@GovHowardDean 1m1 minute ago
@MagwyerGrimes @D_Born @BernieSanders if you don't tell me what to do I won't tell you what to do. I'm sure we can make up our own minds
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.@GovHowardDean @D_Born @BernieSanders Funny how many superdelegates also turn out to be lobbyists like you. #Undemocrat
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@GovHowardDean @D_Born @BernieSanders Did she promise you an ambassadorship? What? What did she offer you?
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@GovHowardDean @D_Born @BernieSanders No, Howie, you represent the healthcare lobby who pays your bills. You'll do whatever you're told.
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@D_Born @GovHowardDean @BernieSanders has 11 SDs.That has been the rule 4 decades. Bernie should've done his homework like Obama did
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very sad from a progressive rebel (cont) http://tl.gd/nm16t1
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I just really would love an answer from him as to why he thinks that he knows better than so many Vermonters as to what is better for the country.

when Hillary is indicted.

In a DEMOCRACY, the PEOPLE get to determine who represents them, not some UNELECTED official. His response is tone deaf - that he ADMITS he's not elected by the people and HE gets to determine what's right for them is exactly what we're fighting against.

So at least you can have your say.

I regret all the support he got from me and my late hubby. never thought I would say that.

I guess as time goes on, the political game gets to people and maybe they just give in. I don't think he's a bad guy at all. I just think he's done with the fight.

make me feel differently. I think he's going to hurt our country by voting for hillary even if bernie wins.

I think he's hurting the country and especially thr Democratic party. People are furious. Even f they don't do away with the SD system, at least look at the will of the people and follow through. His is so blatantly wrong. When 73% of the Dems in your state vote for someone, you'd think that you would know who you should throw your SD vote to!

the the democrats have left the building and the DNC won't see them coming back until they start supporting them again.

Magwyer ‏@MagwyerGrimes 2h2 hours ago
@GovHowardDean @D_Born @BernieSanders Hillary wasn't even viable in your state. It's your duty to vote for Bernie.
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Howard Dean ‏@GovHowardDean 19m19 minutes ago
@MagwyerGrimes @D_Born @BernieSanders Just curious. If Bernie is nominated how do you get HRC supporters on board with this kind of approach
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@GovHowardDean @D_Born @BernieSanders if Hillary won 85%+ in a state those superdelegates should vote for her too? Not sure what you mean...
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Dana Born ‏@D_Born 4m4 minutes ago
@MagwyerGrimes @GovHowardDean @BernieSanders what kind of approach is that? We're asking U 2 wait on yr decision until primaries are over.
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You're being mean to me tho, so I don't have to listen!

No, sometimes an angry voice is the right voice, now pull up your big boy pants Dean, and understand what the people are saying.

In eastern Asia, it's called "face." And it is generally thought a bad way to get things done to not allow someone to "save face."

It's a question I have for both sides of this primary, actually. Supporters of either candidate are abusing and alienating people who disagree with them. Mrs Clinton's supporters are roundly criticized for taking the voters for granted, and assuming they they will vote for the candidate no matter how they are treated. Yet supporters of Mr Sanders do the same thing to groups who don't agree with them. Worked right, no candidate will be able to muster a sufficient coalition to get their candidate elected in the GE, which is, after all, more important than the primary.

However, Mr Dean is also being disingenuous in raising the issue, since he has already made it clear he intends no compromise. And being more disingenuous still, because it can be reasonably expected that he, as a good party functionary, can be counted on to support whomever wins the primary.

-- Mal

There's one group pretending to be Bernie supporters which is being outed I hear...so not all is as it seems.

However I have been here thru 4 primaries, and I have never seen anything like it.

The party chair has all along been openly standing with one candidate...the local parties that run the caucuses and the primaries are...as it is here in FL....staunch Hilllary supporters in most cases.

The media has declared Hillary the winner when many many states have not voted.

Neither is right to do so. But one must expect partisans to be partisan.

As for the issues of "anointment" and "inevitability," these can only be laid at the door of the Clinton camp, who we may be tolerably sure are not pleased to have to go through this primary process and justify their existence.

Some of the vitriol poured out on AA voters by (ostensible) Bernie supporters has been quite nasty, and it makes one sad, because one would like to think better of them. If such are "Bernites in name only" (Binos?), then so much the better if they are "outed" and assume their true colors. With friends like those...

But of course, the Clinton camp has it in for millennials, and women who won't toe the line, and are not kind about it, at all. And the last time I looked (quite awhile ago, as it happens), the Hillary group had half the supporters of the Bernie group, and yet more people blocked than they had members, whereas the Bernie group had blocked only about half as many. Which can be interpreted different ways, but clearly goes to show that a lot of people on both sides are pretty pissed off. Which one might discount as mere partisan passion, if one were not worried that such alienation might cause problems in the GE.

I haven't been at DU so long as you, but I have been going forth upon this sorry Earth and walking up and down on it for six decades, now, and this election is the craziest in memory, and the Party infighting more vicious than I have ever seen it. Which on the one hand is a positive sign: it means people are engaged (but then, why is turnout faltering?). On the other hand, of course, it is something to cause concern, because one can not be sure that all differences will be patched up in time to focus on the GE. Certainly at least some of this concern must influence the Clinton supporters, who want everyone to fall in line now, and give up this Sanders pipe dream. Not all of them can be rascals, one might think. They are misguided, certainly. And doubtless frustrated. But not necessarily malicious. It is a shame that so many of the malicious ones make so much noise.

-- Mal

"Clinton Era" and now don't want anyone messing with their Cushy Elite Lives.

I keep saying...what a shocker when they started to shill for Hill big time.

At least we see their true colors.

Dr. Lobbyist Dean can kiss my butt...and I'm off to Twitter to tell him such.

HIS senator.

to be a super delegate speaks volumes about our democracy (or lack thereof).

Peace

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@MagwyerGrimes @D_Born @BernieSanders if you don't tell me what to do I won't tell you what to do. I'm sure we can make up our own minds

He was actually responding to @MagwyerGrimes who said:
Magwyer ‏@MagwyerGrimes 2h2 hours ago
@GovHowardDean @D_Born @BernieSanders Hillary wasn't even viable in your state. It's your duty to vote for Bernie.

This is how I responded:
@GovHowardDean @MagwyerGrimes @BernieSanders well, he can vote however he wants but it doesn't answer why he's going against 73% of VT Dems

This superdelegate thing stinks to high heaven. Even Pelosi hates it!

to get rid of super-delegates. It won with no descent. Now we will be taking it to the next level. Hopefully other states are advancing the same resolution.

Former Deaniac

You are not supposed to do what you think is best. You are supposed to represent the will of the voters in your damned state. They chose Sanders.

... if super delegate votes do NOT represent the people, what the fuck DO they represent? Oh yeah. Debbie already told us. They let the Democratic elite – wait... doesn't the very concept of "elite" defy everything democracy is supposed to stand for? – thwart the will of the people, protect entrenched interests, and the lead of whomever the Party Grand Poobahs have anointed.

Oh yeah... that's as democratic as all hell.

If Bernie loses big in Florida and Hawaii, should Grayson and Gabbard switch over to Clinton? I think the superdelegate system should be abolished, but what Dean said is true. It sucks, but that's how the system works.

and I'd say yes. But that's me.

Btw - I didn't know that Grayson had made a choice. I wish they'd all wait until the convention.

Still bad for him to commit early, but this is primary is in uncharted waters.

I'm still glad Dr. Dean spelled it out for us so clearly- how often does one get such a straight answer in public?

he's getting berated for it though. I kind of feel bad.

To the people who believe in our election process, it was a deadly insult.

Personally, I haven't believed in our election system since 2000, so to me this was just a crass but useful quote for me to use in my advocacy against the establishment.

In a way, Dean is helping support the removal of bad gov't again in his own way. Keep it up plz!

Howard Dean ‏@GovHowardDean 2h2 hours ago
@robertweissvt @D_Born @BernieSanders Consider first in the nation marriage equality bill. Did what I thought was right,not what was popular
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Dana Born ‏@D_Born 3m3 minutes ago
@GovHowardDean @robertweissvt @BernieSanders excellent, not discounting yr good works. I want 2 know why you feel Vt's choice is wrong..
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Good on you, and boy was his response telling.

... convenient and comfortable for him ...

Remind him he doesn't really have superpowers

David Sirota ‏@davidsirota 2h2 hours ago
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Former Dem governor -- who now works at lobbying firm -- brags that "superdelegates don't represent people" David Sirota added,
Howard Dean @GovHowardDean
@D_Born @BernieSanders Super delegates don't "represent people" I'm not elected by anyone. I'll do what I think is right for the country
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uh oh..

Dana b? Not.

if I was, then someone must have broke into my bank account!!

He is a denizen of the Beltway. He sold his soul for a pocketful of corporate gold.

Nice work

wow - he really let the cat out of the bag for himself and others.

I guess he didn't like being called a sell out. But alas, that's exactly what he did. BTW - thank you for sharing.

You get around girl!

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