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Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:52 AM Mar 2016

I have examined where my loyalties lie, you judge, I'll explain my position.

From my perspective, the party I joined thirty nine years ago was a party I believed in and so gave my loyalty, It was the party of The New Deal, The Great Society and at the time I joined also the party of civil liberty, equal rights and a war against poverty. I see a party in 2016 that is not that party. The question of my loyalty now becomes murky. I think my loyalty now only belongs to my class and because Bernie Sanders shares this loyalty to my class, I must support him every way possible.

So many in the party leadership and the party overall are comfortable and this place of comfort has made them cold to the reality that is daily life for a great many people.

They make many assumptions from ivory towers of middle class or wealth with little awareness it would seem of those that are lower middle class (quickly falling into poverty even tho they work harder with multiple McJobs than they did before lower middle class meant poverty).

As to the poor - they seem completely oblivious to them and convince themselves that welfare reform didn't harm anybody, I know Hill and Bill believe this, but it did and does to this day I assure you, it was not a pragmatic solution to a "welfare queen" problem handled well because a Democrat helped to all but destroy it. It will not be a brave pragmatic solution to "earned benefit queens" they will likely label SS beneficiaries, as they collude yet again with republicans to begin to shred these last vestiges of the new deal and great society.

They cause the poor to become poorer still while so many in the party applaud the politicians responsible. Their applause and support are what make them just as responsible as their political idols.

They think this is a game, or a sport with my team and their team, not realizing or caring that the ball that is tossed around in this sport is a child that only gets to eat at school and will soon lose that food, or the ball is an elderly widow or widower that can only afford to take their medicine every other day or maybe will freeze to death in a small flat during a winter they could not pay their gas bill (this happens ALREADY where I live).

There are many other balls tossed around for their sport and amusement, too many to list them all here, some are dead or dying, some are living under a tarp in a vacant lot hoping the cops don't roust them or the suburban teenagers don't decide to slum it and amuse themselves by assaulting them while laughing and taunting the "bum" for cell phone footage. Some of these comfortable people give advice to "the poor that in fact do OK" as a famous DLC Democrat once said. One of the Conservative DU posters once even suggested dumpster diving as a viable and reasonable option.

Too many of them applaud policies and politicians that make all these problems worse, they need to get it through their heads, many are dying and more will die of poverty, this is no game and the poor aren't doing OK, they are doing worse all the time with less help available all the time.

It is not serious, pragmatic, or brave to cause more people to suffer and die in poverty because it is referred to flippantly as "eating peas" or "being adult". It is not pragmatic even when the ones shipping away the jobs or destroying welfare "feel your pain". It never was bravery, but cowardice. It is not balanced when an increasing number of people fall into poverty and die while others become wealthier at an exponential rate.

The punditry, politicians, and comfortable may think it is a fun sport full of serious brave adults that make hard decisions.

Cowards all really, making easy decisions, easy because their decisions don't harm them, but rather the poor they barely acknowledge exist for the profit of the wealthy.

Sometimes they even have the gaul to pat themselves on the back and reassure each other "the poor in fact do OK".

I feel very sincerely about these class and poverty issues, I give my loyalty completely to the forgotten, struggling and increasingly poor working classes that birthed me. You decide if that makes me disloyal to a party that has all but forgotten us save for donations and Pyrrhic election victories, because I will fight tooth and nail against any one of them or any elected Democrat that is harmful to my class, in other words harmful to most of America.

For these reasons and others, my loyalties now lie only with Bernie Sanders, politicians that share his views, and the revolution that is necessary if we are to fight and win against overwhelming odds, a fight I take on for my class, the very survival of countless people, and for a better future to leave behind for our younger generations.
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I have examined where my loyalties lie, you judge, I'll explain my position. (Original Post) Dragonfli Mar 2016 OP
it must have felt this way in 1932 just before America elected the 1st Greatest President in History putitinD Mar 2016 #1
Goddess willing, after all, he is up against the Party machine, all the moneyed interests, the Media Dragonfli Mar 2016 #3
Bernie is pretty tough, he grew up in Brooklyn. putitinD Mar 2016 #6
I'm pretty tough as well. if growing up on the east side of Buffalo counts. LOL Dragonfli Mar 2016 #7
This is an excellent post... mak3cats Mar 2016 #2
They are my own words, I will consider xposting in GDP once the debate debate dies down leaving Dragonfli Mar 2016 #5
As per your thoughts, I have just Xposted to GDP, I need to sleep now Dragonfli Mar 2016 #19
That's a terrible idea VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #20
"my loyalties now lie only with Bernie Sanders, politicians that share his views..." SoapBox Mar 2016 #4
Keep letting them know how you feel Dragonfli Mar 2016 #8
they called last week hopemountain Mar 2016 #10
At this point, doing it any other way would only allow them to spend money Dragonfli Mar 2016 #14
Absolutely brilliant, Dragonfli. K&R! Stardust Mar 2016 #9
What a positive response, thank you! Dragonfli Mar 2016 #11
yes - a warrior cry hopemountain Mar 2016 #12
Another warrior cry you may be interested in (it is a post and not an OP tho /nt Dragonfli Mar 2016 #13
thank you! imagine - how powerful hopemountain Mar 2016 #15
Together and only together we SHALL, after all, it is only a revolution if we all do it together.nt Dragonfli Mar 2016 #16
It's time for change for those with the least. Cassiopeia Mar 2016 #17
With you. n/t jtuck004 Mar 2016 #18

putitinD

(1,551 posts)
1. it must have felt this way in 1932 just before America elected the 1st Greatest President in History
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:56 AM
Mar 2016

Bernie will be the next FDR

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
3. Goddess willing, after all, he is up against the Party machine, all the moneyed interests, the Media
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:04 AM
Mar 2016

And the best Rovian attack machine money can buy (a dream team of smear merchants led by an habitual lying machine).

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
7. I'm pretty tough as well. if growing up on the east side of Buffalo counts. LOL
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:17 AM
Mar 2016

Seriously, I know he is tough, he has proven so time and again in both word and deed since he was a very young man.

I would not support him if I thought he did not have the strength of character and courage of convictions required to take on the entire entrenched Oligarchy that America has become.

mak3cats

(1,573 posts)
2. This is an excellent post...
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:04 AM
Mar 2016

...and with no citation, I assume these are your words. I think this should be posted in GD-P also. It's not inflammatory, and might make some people think about just who they are supporting.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
5. They are my own words, I will consider xposting in GDP once the debate debate dies down leaving
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:05 AM
Mar 2016

some oxygen in the room.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
19. As per your thoughts, I have just Xposted to GDP, I need to sleep now
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 07:48 AM
Mar 2016

I'll see how it is received in (good or bad) in about a half dozen hours or so.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
20. That's a terrible idea
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 08:40 AM
Mar 2016

Clintonistas will no doubt flag the post in fifteen(assuming they haven't here already) and drag the OP through the mud for being either a traitor or a right winger plant.

To be fair though... Yeah, I'm right firmly back in that "won't support Hillary" column. TM99 was right when they went off on me. Clinton supporters are at the end of the day, my enemy, and I let the concept of kinship in my ethnicity cloud my head. There are bigger things to be worrying about right now. And ending the Clinton dynasty is right at the top of the goddamn list.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
4. "my loyalties now lie only with Bernie Sanders, politicians that share his views..."
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:04 AM
Mar 2016

And that is exactly what I wrote across a mailer I got from the DCCC, asking for money.

It was mailed back to them today.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
10. they called last week
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:23 AM
Mar 2016

i told them i am donating directly to the democrats of my choice and that i don't want my donations to go into one pot where the establishment "democrats" decide for me. i feel the same about the dnc. sending all of my donations directly to the candidates, now.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
14. At this point, doing it any other way would only allow them to spend money
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:32 AM
Mar 2016

that you give then, to support those that in many cases have your worst interests at heart.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
12. yes - a warrior cry
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:25 AM
Mar 2016

from me, too - for the forgotten, the struggling, and our precious resources: water, air, earth, and the vulnerable.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
15. thank you! imagine - how powerful
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:17 AM
Mar 2016

when we all stand as you have here on du! i cannot tell you how inspired, moved, motivated, i am by your posts...you echo my thinking and my heart. together we can!

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
17. It's time for change for those with the least.
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:53 AM
Mar 2016

The choice of a slow boil or a rapid boil is no choice at all.

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