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Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:50 PM

So, Hillary DUers are leaving to find "real democratic values?"

WTF?

What in the hell are "real democratic values?"

As far as I'm concerned, Hillary's campaign is about establishment politics and getting the first woman elected.

I just can't go there. Sorry.

Other than women's rights (which are very important), I just don't trust Hillary to nominate judges that would overturn Citizen's United or that she will do anything to help the 99%.

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Reply So, Hillary DUers are leaving to find "real democratic values?" (Original post)
TexasMommaWithAHat Mar 2016 OP
jalan48 Mar 2016 #1
HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #8
Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #18
Jack Rabbit Mar 2016 #68
Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #72
Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #20
Lorien Mar 2016 #81
corkhead Mar 2016 #14
DeGreg Mar 2016 #41
PatrynXX Mar 2016 #66
artyteacher Mar 2016 #2
TBF Mar 2016 #7
artyteacher Mar 2016 #12
Jopin Klobe Mar 2016 #42
EmperorHasNoClothes Mar 2016 #11
TexasMommaWithAHat Mar 2016 #15
nxylas Mar 2016 #3
merrily Mar 2016 #31
LiberalArkie Mar 2016 #37
merrily Mar 2016 #43
LiberalArkie Mar 2016 #49
merrily Mar 2016 #55
LiberalArkie Mar 2016 #62
Duval Mar 2016 #45
merrily Mar 2016 #47
Duval Mar 2016 #60
Peace Patriot Mar 2016 #77
Lorien Mar 2016 #82
bvar22 Mar 2016 #78
merrily Mar 2016 #79
Lorien Mar 2016 #83
Raster Mar 2016 #86
TBF Mar 2016 #4
merrily Mar 2016 #48
djean111 Mar 2016 #5
ananda Mar 2016 #6
TexasMommaWithAHat Mar 2016 #9
FighttheFuture Mar 2016 #29
BillZBubb Mar 2016 #10
nashville_brook Mar 2016 #13
nxylas Mar 2016 #38
bvar22 Mar 2016 #80
nc4bo Mar 2016 #16
MisterP Mar 2016 #30
Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #17
Plucketeer Mar 2016 #19
AlbertCat Mar 2016 #21
fbc Mar 2016 #23
Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #22
Gene Debs Mar 2016 #24
merrily Mar 2016 #25
n2doc Mar 2016 #26
TexasMommaWithAHat Mar 2016 #28
Cleita Mar 2016 #27
840high Mar 2016 #32
merrily Mar 2016 #33
d_legendary1 Mar 2016 #34
Cleita Mar 2016 #39
d_legendary1 Mar 2016 #52
LovingA2andMI Mar 2016 #35
Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #36
Helen Borg Mar 2016 #40
SoapBox Mar 2016 #44
cprise Mar 2016 #46
tomm2thumbs Mar 2016 #50
stranger81 Mar 2016 #51
tomm2thumbs Mar 2016 #53
stranger81 Mar 2016 #54
tomm2thumbs Mar 2016 #56
merrily Mar 2016 #58
tomm2thumbs Mar 2016 #61
merrily Mar 2016 #67
Duval Mar 2016 #65
Duval Mar 2016 #57
greiner3 Mar 2016 #59
Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #63
Matariki Mar 2016 #64
JGug1 Mar 2016 #69
Beowulf Mar 2016 #74
MidwestTech Mar 2016 #76
Bettie Mar 2016 #70
ellennelle Mar 2016 #71
Gore1FL Mar 2016 #73
RoccoR5955 Mar 2016 #75
Blue_In_AK Mar 2016 #84
dana_b Mar 2016 #85
noamnety Mar 2016 #87
eridani Mar 2016 #88
cui bono Mar 2016 #89

Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:53 PM

1. Maybe they plan to work with the Republicans that Trump has displaced.

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:59 PM

8. They should feel right at home.

 

The DLC are just pro-choice Republicans..

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:17 PM

18. That unfortunately is true.

 

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Response to Betty Karlson (Reply #18)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:27 PM

68. Well, not quite

The DLC/Third Way is made up of not only pro-choice Republicans, but also Republicans who support gay rights.

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Response to Jack Rabbit (Reply #68)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:42 PM

72. Records like Clinton's suggest that those pro-gay reDuLiCans are in the minority.

 

2004: "I would have voted for DOMA. To talk about DOMA now is divisive."

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:18 PM

20. yes

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 07:34 PM

81. Yes. Aside from (limited) women's rights and a recent warming to gay marriage

the DLC is firmly right wing. Pro-war, pro-GMOs, Pro-Citizen's United, Pro for-profit prisons, pro Walmart business practices, anti-immigration, pro-spying on citizens, anti-environment, anti- Glass Steagall, pro-fracking, pro-fossil fuels, pro regime change in every weaker Nation with profitable natural resources, anti-union, etc. Hillary is even limited on her "pro-choice" stance, did not support equal wages for women while on the board at Walmart, and has not said that supports the ERA. She is for all intents and purposes a Reagan or G.W. Bush Republican, so why not join forces with moderate Republicans?

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:20 PM

14. As far as I am concerned, they ARE the Republicans that Trump has displaced.

good riddance.

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Response to corkhead (Reply #14)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:57 PM

41. And How yup, yup, yup

 

Their politics are Republican and insisting that's not the case is nothing but denial, and they ought to seek counseling for the way they are processing their reality.

So get... go form The Establishment Party with all the other people who have been manipulated by FEAR

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:26 PM

66. almost said they'd probably work for him but

considering people who don't like Trump, but will vote for him before Hillary the same probably would go with Hillary Supporters. they'd support anyone on the otherside except trump. Except that particular guy (Rand Paul) dropped out. Only one I'd compare to Bernie from the right. (hey Ron Paul coulda run come on ) But if Rachel is friends with Roger Ailes I can see where this would go

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Response to artyteacher (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:57 PM

7. Apparently you are lost -

you are in the Bernie Sanders group.

Most of us have voted for dems for years. Even though I personally think of myself as more leftist in nature I have voted for EVERY dem candidate for president since 1992.

So, you can take your crap elsewhere.

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Response to TBF (Reply #7)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:10 PM

12. oh i am so sorry.

I didn't see the group. I'll try to delete.

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Response to artyteacher (Reply #12)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:58 PM

42. Thank you ...

... for the very civil reply and for following through ...

... I wish all correspondence were this civil ...

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Response to artyteacher (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:08 PM

11. I have been voting for Democrats my whole life

Including for Bill Clinton. So have the vast majority of Bernie supporters on this board. And I have been on this board since 2004 unlike some who joined six months ago.

The problem isn't that we aren't Democrats, it's that the party establishment keeps trying to be Republicans.

But you just go ahead and appoint yourself as the arbiter of who is a real Democrat.

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Response to EmperorHasNoClothes (Reply #11)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:21 PM

15. If one is leaving to find "real democratic values"

something is terribly, terribly wrong.

You can argue that you think Hillary has the better chance, but single payer healthcare and affordable or free college have been democratic values on this board for as long as I have been reading here - which is a long, long time.

ETA - replied to wrong post, but will leave this post, anyway.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:56 PM

3. I'm guessing it's the "party before country" types

The ones who would vote for Sauron if he had a (D) after his name.

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Response to nxylas (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:32 PM

31. I suspect it's not even about Party.

Yesterday, someone posted about an npr employee who said npr is afraid of being eliminated if a Republican becomes President. They thought (assumed) Hillary had a better chance of winning the general. Ergo, they stabbed Bernie in the back.

I think a lot of government employees and others who benefit personally from having a Democrat in the Oval Office operate similarly. IOW, as so often happens, "Follow the money," is great political advice.

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Response to merrily (Reply #31)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:44 PM

37. Probably so but Walmart, Tyson and Kochs donate a large amount of money to NPR

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Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #37)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:02 PM

43. I do not doubt you at all, but the conversation was about what motivates people to support Hillary.

My view is on that subject was that's self interest, in one way or the other, and often relates to money.

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Response to merrily (Reply #43)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:12 PM

49. Oh Totally, They want to get a job with the Gov for a bit, or some agency something they can

benefit themselves. I knew several that went to DC with Clinton. Very good item on their resume. It was always "what can my country do for me, not what they can do for their country".

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Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #49)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:16 PM

55. People who work for the DNC, people who work for Hillary, her PACs or the Clinton Foundation are

in that bag, but so are so many others. To paraphrase Mel Brooks, "It's good to be the establishment candidate."

On the other hand, it didn't work well for Jeb! and Marco seems to be going down the chute, too. Trump and Cruz are batshot and nasty to boot. Kasich?

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Response to merrily (Reply #55)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:21 PM

62. Kasich is Toast in Ohio also. I heard some people in Ohio talking and it did not seem that

they had anything pleasant to say about him. It may have been just those people I don't know. But I really feel it will come down to Trump and whoever the RNC wheels pick to run.

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Response to merrily (Reply #31)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:07 PM

45. Isn't NPR corporate? I know PBS is.

 

I stopped donating and watching/listening to PBS years ago.

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Response to Duval (Reply #45)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:10 PM

47. My point was about supporting Hillary out of self interest.

NPR was only an example of that. However, I agree that public television and radio are nothing like they used to be.

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Response to merrily (Reply #47)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:20 PM

60. Thanks, merrily. It's really sad. nt

 

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Response to merrily (Reply #47)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 05:06 PM

77. You mean National Plutocrat Radio? I agree!

They're so bad I keep trying to come up with the best name for it. I think I just did.

(I had some others: National Puke Radio, National rePublicrat Radio...)

NPR was ruined by Republicrat defunding, and Corporate stepping in.

They are re-e-e-e-e-e-e-ally bad!

I gave up TV long ago, but have few choices on my commute so I tune in our (very good) community radio station. The only time they're NOT good is when they run frigging NPR. And you know why they do that--to the objection of many, many members and listeners? Debt! Management got them into debt to NPR, which they have to pay off before they can drop them!

It's just so typical of how our Corporate Rulers control everything. It sucks! We gotta change this.

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Response to Duval (Reply #45)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 07:36 PM

82. The chairperson of PBS is a Republican

NPR is a little less so. I have some friends who work for them and they claim to be politically neutral, though they are a good bit more conservative than I am.

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Response to merrily (Reply #31)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 07:12 PM

78. The Obama Administration has cut Public Employees to a new low,

and "privatized" many former government responsibilities.

It was DLC/Centrist Bill Clinton who echoed Reagan when he proclaimed that "The era of big government is over!!!"

If I were a government employee in fear of losing my job, the last Democrat I would support would be any Clinton or other 3rd Way Centrist.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #78)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 07:15 PM

79. Correct, but, if you were convinced that she could win the general and Bernie could not.........

Your alternative would not be Bernie but a Republican.

For how long did some of our fellow DUers try to tell us Hillary had to be the nominee or "say hello to President Cruz." If I saw that once, I saw it 200 times.

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Response to nxylas (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 07:41 PM

83. It's an entirely "sports fan" like mentality

The issues really don't seem to matter to them. It's all about brand loyalty and personal identity, no different than the average hardcore sports fan. I see much of the same on the GOP side. Labels and branding is everything, issues and policy positions are just inconvenient details that are kind of boring to them. It's all about the "win", not the effect that it has on us or the planet. I guess that's what we get for living in a consumer culture for the past Century!

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Response to nxylas (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 10:43 AM

86. ...and in a pantsuit.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:56 PM

4. By the looks of her logo

it will involve folks who would have liked Goldwater. Smh.

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Response to TBF (Reply #4)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:11 PM

48. Aside from the echo of the Goldwater campaign symbol, it's a very corporate logo.

I dislike it for both reasons.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:57 PM

5. "real democratic values" = voting for Hillary.

 

No actual values involved except blind loyalty to a brand. IMO and all that.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:57 PM

6. They must mean real corporate conservative values.

The only candidate with real democratic values is Sanders!

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Response to ananda (Reply #6)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:02 PM

9. Just two years ago this group was largely behind single payer

Now, that's not a democratic value? Seriously? WTF?

I call it vagina blinders. The candidate has a vagina, so it's ok to wear blinders in order not to see what Hillary really stands for.

We are the richest country in the world. Single payer healthcare should be the least that we offer our citizens!

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Reply #9)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:30 PM

29. +1!! Exactly. "Single payer healthcare should be the least that we offer our citizens!"

 

The LEAST we offer!!!

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:04 PM

10. Real Democratic values?

Like actual government programs that help people. The kind the republicans always scream are pie in the sky, unrealistic, idealistic, socialistic, too expensive?

Like putting people before corporations? And welcoming the scorn of the rich and powerful, not telling them how wonderful they are.

Like favoring the rich paying their fair share of the tax requirements?

Bernie has those REAL values. Hillary, not so much.



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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:19 PM

13. HRC has a terrible record on reproductive rights

her history is finding "compromise" to appease religious conservatives.

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Response to nashville_brook (Reply #13)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:46 PM

38. Not sure it's appeasement

Isn't she a member of some scary dominionist group? I wonder if her pro-choice rhetoric isn't the appeasement, to mask her true beliefs.

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Response to nxylas (Reply #38)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 07:20 PM

80. Yes.

She has regularly attended "The Family" Prayer Breakfasts in the past.
I don't know if she still does.
"The Family" is very secretive, and very creepy.


The "Family" - Who Really Is Behind This Secret Organization?

What if someone were to tell you that your Congressman routinely bandies around phrases such as "Jesus plus nothing," used to mean the complete rule of Jesus, and compares the desired reach to that of Hitler or Ho Chi Minh? If this makes you at all apprehensive, then Jeff Sharlet's "C Street: The Fundamentalist Threat to American Democracy" is a must-read.

"Jesus plus nothing" is the mantra of the Fellowship, also known as the Family, a secret, fundamentalist Christian organization peopled primarily by devout policy makers and high-ranking individuals. Though the nonbeliever's view of religion can often be dismissive when faced with such catchphrases, in "C Street," a nonfiction account of the extended reach of the Family, these phrases fuel moral crusades with real, and terrifying, impact.

Sharlet first introduced the world to the unseen hand of the Fellowship in "The Family" in 2008, in which he reported on the organization's beginnings in the 18th century, uncovered the role of the Family in America's legislative system and uncovered the role of religious fundamentalism in our supposedly secular nation.

<much more>

http://truth-out.org/archive/component/k2/item/93642:the-family--who-really-is-behind-this-secret-organization

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:38 PM

16. Hah, leave after pooping all over the Democratic party

Messy corporate carpet buggers ain't even litter box trained.

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #16)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:31 PM

30. pooping all over *DU* too: we're supposed to be a mass of people who would've gone

to Trump otherwise

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:03 PM

17. Is that where they all went? A quest, eh? I had wondered what happened.

bye, bye!

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:18 PM

19. Ha-ha-haaaa

 

I could lead them RIGHT to what they seek - and they wouldn't recognize it. Once they became intoxicated with their own farts - there's no hope that they can think straight and discern what's what.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:19 PM

21. What in the hell are "real democratic values?"

 

Pant suits?


Of course one super duper Dem value is being able to speak your mind, even if it criticizes another Dem. This excellent value is prominently displayed in the Hillary Group, which is a beacon of tolerance!











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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #21)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:21 PM

23. Fracking and offensive warfare apparently.

 

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:21 PM

22. "real' democratic values....














Please, GO!

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:21 PM

24. Do those women's right include the right to health care, education, and economic security? if so,

 

I don't see why anyone would vote for Hillary even then.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:24 PM

25. Hillary has said she woud negotiate a Constitutional amendment about choice. Not sure what to think

about that!

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:25 PM

26. PUMA redux n/t

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Response to n2doc (Reply #26)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:28 PM

28. I wasn't a member at the time

But I well remember the PUMAS. I've been reading here since I supported John Edwards. I won't be taken in again by a hypocrite regardless of what comes out of the mouth.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:26 PM

27. Republican lite is real democratic values to the Hillary camp.

I'm going for FDR malt myself. Those are the real democratic values I grew up knowing.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #27)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:32 PM

32. Yes - I did, too.

 

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Response to Cleita (Reply #27)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:36 PM

33. +1 For me, it's not about FDR, but about New Deal politics, but I get your point.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:39 PM

34. If by "Real Democratic Values" they mean:

-Start wars and overthrow regimes while our men and women fight these wars

-Keep the big banks operating at a healthy profit while people are nickel and dimed out of their savings

-Maintain low wages so that people have to live off the government

-Give tax incentives to corporations for giving their employees a bone to munch on

-Work with like minded Republicans in destroying the middle class

-Selling off parts of government to private firms so they profit off tax payers and give sub-par service

-Bring HB1 visa help to displace hard working Americans

-Embrace Free Trade


If these are the values that they embrace then they can have my share. Refusing to support a crooked politician in the primaries is the most Democratic thing about our way of life. I've got more important things to worry about than voting for a self serving politician who only remembers the people when its time to be elected for office.

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Response to d_legendary1 (Reply #34)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:47 PM

39. Unfortunately, those aren't even American values as framed in our founding documents:

*The Declaration of Independence.

*The U. S. Constitution

*The Bill of Rights

Everyone of the above documents has something to say that's against your list. The wording may be quaint and broad brushed but it's there.

Wars are to be fought in defense of the country and only when authorized by Congress.

"Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" as posited in the Declaration of Independence as well as those listed in the Bill of Rights covers the rest.

None of our American values says that corporations will run the government for their benefit, nor raid and plunder other nations for their profit and with the aid of our military.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #39)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:13 PM

52. Absolutely correct!

I think they meant that they've lost their Democratic values instead of finding them. Thanks for pointing this out.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:42 PM

35. The Phase....

Door let the door hit ya on the way..... Applies here.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:42 PM

36. Anti-FDR www.hillarypineradicals.org???

 

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:51 PM

40. Aw!


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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:04 PM

44. Where ever they go...

It would be fantastic.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:10 PM

46. Hillary loves throwing crumbs at average Americans

It makes for very good publicity while she's handing the country over to corporations and Saudi princes.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:12 PM

50. ••• Results of Jury •••


REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Meta. Plain and simple. I will alert admins also

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:11 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Abuse of the alert system.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I've seen worse than this in another protected group that was not hidden.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is discussion about issues - alert all you like but then take a chill pill and step away from the computer before your head pops
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: call the waaaambulance
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's up to the Bernie group hosts to decide how much meta to permit in this group. I think this post is completely acceptable. And I sure wish the HRC crew would agree to occupy their time with something other than policing a protected group they disagree with. A hobby, or something. I hear knitting is a nice pastime.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Very mild stuff. Visit the Gungeon for a good dose of animosity.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Reply #50)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:13 PM

51. The swarm has attempted to weigh in.

I was juror no. 5.

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Response to stranger81 (Reply #51)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:14 PM

53. 0-7 means they can take some time out, yes?

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Reply #53)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:15 PM

54. Yes, thank dog.

Don't worry, though, the others will pick up their slack.

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Response to stranger81 (Reply #54)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:16 PM

56. too much coffee and not enough distraction in life

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Reply #53)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:18 PM

58. Yes, but it's a team sport for them.

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Response to merrily (Reply #58)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:20 PM

61. they eventually eat their own


Hillary tried to damage Barack Obama in the general, which I'll be posting some info on later, so I have no doubt once she's done getting what she wants, she'll ignore everything she said to get there and play ball with the ones with money

She's proven it

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Reply #61)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:26 PM

67. I meant alerters, but yes, "Senator McCain and I are ready for that 3 am phone call. Senator Obama

is not" was a jaw dropper. I don't know if she meant to hurt him in the general as much as she was trying to prevent him from getting as far as the general by terra-izing his supporter. I know of no other instance in which a Democratic nominee for President endorsed the Republican nominee over another Democrat running for POTUS. Which is what raises all the Hillary loyalty oath stuff to the nth degree of silly.

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Response to stranger81 (Reply #51)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:25 PM

65. I laughed at your explanation! Good one!

 

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:17 PM

57. If they find them, we'll see them back here.

 

Reminds me of:


There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See:
• According to the ‘Random House Dictionary of Popular Proverbs and Sayings’ this proverb has been traced back to 1546 (John Heywood), and resembles the Biblical verse Jeremiah 5:21 (‘Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not’). In 1738 it was used by Jonathan Swift in his ‘Polite Conversation’ and is first attested in the United States in the 1713 ‘Works of Thomas Chalkley’. The full saying is: ‘There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know’.



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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:18 PM

59. "What in the hell are "real democratic values?""

 

Those found in the Scandinavian countries?

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:22 PM

63. "Real democratic values" is when the important people get to decide.

 

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:23 PM

64. Where did they say that?

And will this primary leave DU a ghost town?

Seems both 'sides' are finding other places for discussion.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:28 PM

69. Not Trusting Hillary

Seriously? You can't trust her to nominate liberal judges? I'm incredulous. There is NO question that she is more hawkish than Bernie and I have really appreciated what he has brought to the campaign because he has pushed her more left (and I don't think it is a temporary thing) but to not trust her to nominate liberals seems a huge stretch. Here's were I am on the nomination: There are pluses and minuses to both candidates. There was a fair discussion on Democracy Now this morning on the two of them. My major concern regarding Bernie is that he is an unknown. By that I mean that the stuff in his baggage has not been exposed and there probably are some dynamite items in there. His comments regarding Castro have now been brought out. Those will be exploited by the Republicans and there may very well be far more. That isn't the case with Hillary Clinton. Her stuff is already on the table. No, the email thingy isn't going to become worse. She did what others before her had done. I think that makes her a stronger candidate. I don't like her being more hawkish but if she is like her husband (and I think she is) we should remember that he did not take us into a ground war.
I'm going to try to enjoy the rest of the campaign and vote for the one left standing, with a tip of my hat to the loser.

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Response to JGug1 (Reply #69)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 04:01 PM

74. The email thingy could very well get worse,

much worse, and no, past SoS's didn't do the same thing. She took it to a whole other level.

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Response to JGug1 (Reply #69)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 05:00 PM

76. I'm so sick of this "But X is unknown" newsflash EVERYONE used to be unknown!

The ONLY reason we know of Hillary is because of Bill.
NO ONE knew who Bill Clinton was until he miraculously won the nomination.
NO ONE knew who Dan Quayle was when he was picked as VP.
A few people had heard of Gore when he ran in the primary then as VP
NO ONE had heard of Barack Obama before he ran.
When W ran he was mistaken for that 'other' bush at first... the savings and loan scandal guy.

So ... yeah "he isn't known" is a complete bullshit argument recently invented.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:32 PM

70. Why is the purge not working?

Seriously, I'm losing patience here. So frustrated lately.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:32 PM

71. CAN SOMEONE HELP ME?

this whole business here has left me so baffled and flummoxed.

this culminated in a post earlier today by lonepirate - who said s/he was a bernie supporter - offering apologies to the hillary folks for bernie supporters' nastiness etc. which i thought was a great thing, so i tried to comment.

but, i was blocked. it was a longstanding block from something i never understood and of course was unable to defend.

so my question is, WTF? was lonepirate posting on the hillary group intentionally? fair enough. but what of the numbers of folks they've blocked - and i'm sure there are lots - who have valid and valuable contributions to make to their own discussion? are they so thin-skinned they require a bubble to feel secure?

i don't get it. and now they're fleeing?

i really don't get it.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:54 PM

73. Apparently "Real" Democratic Values are the GOP values of the 1970s. n/t

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 04:24 PM

75. Real Democratic Values are

 

not "Third Way" values. They are not RepubliCLOWN values.
They should be within the vein of the values set by FDR and his second bill of rights, or JFK.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 07:43 PM

84. We all have a "hatred problem."

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Response to Blue_In_AK (Reply #84)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 07:55 PM

85. yes, we hate liars

who distort the truths of good people.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 11:01 AM

87. I don't even trust her on women's rights.

 

She supports increasing federal restrictions on abortions; I assume she'd appoint a judge that agrees with her.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:08 AM

88. I can't trust anyone who spoke in favor of a constitutional amendment restricting abortion rights--

--as a trustworthy advocate for women's rights.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:29 AM

89. They must be joining Bernie's campaign!

And btw... you can't trust Hillary on women's rights either. She would sell them out to get into the White House. She said she would compromise on a woman's right to choose, to control her own body.

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