So I work out at the gym with some hard core, love me some Trump, right winger

[Cleita]

transplants from Orange County. (Here in So. California, Orange County is a hot bed of really conservative Republicans.) But they actually aren't that interested in politics. Sort of low information types.

So one of them says to me that I must be getting a belly full of politics these days and that it looks like your boy (Bernie) is really doing well.

So I said he's the only honest candidate and yes, I hope he will be President because it looks like he's getting a really good chance at it. So she says yes, she's so sick of establishment types that she will have to vote for Trump if Hillary is the candidate because she can't stand all the lies she tells. (This is a Republican voter who once told me she was going to vote for Trump.) And yes she said the word "establishment".

So I said I thought you were voting for Trump. She said that she is really liking Bernie and because he's been an Independent until now she thinks she will vote for him if he's the candidate. So I asked her why else she likes Bernie. She said because he tells it like it is. I thought Trump was that person, but he lies too, however, not as bad as Hillary.

Well. There you have it. Bernie will get those votes from pissed off Republicans. Hillary won't. It isn't because they believe in all that socialism that Bernie is going to bring. It's because they think he's honest and will clean up all the corruption in Washington that even the sensible Republicans are fed up with. She said we need a revolution, not with guns but with real change in the system.

How about that?

[Jackie Wilson Said]

1. This comment makes me laugh out loud

I thought Trump was that person, but he lies too, however, not as bad as Hillary.

Trump never tells the truth, ever.

Hillary does often, not always as I believe Bernie does tell the truth always, but Hillary a bigger liar than Trump?

[Cleita]

2. This person still likes Trump. It's just some of the stardust is flaking off of him. eom

[Jackie Wilson Said]

3. BTW, Trump is not part of the establishment, he OWNS the establishment

[Cleita]

4. I appreciate that you want to argue about this but I'm only relaying what someone

else said, who frankly in my mind, is not that sophisticated politically and votes Republican because she was raised that way. She was all glittery about Trump when he decided to run. I didn't understand it myself, but I have tried to understand what she is thinking. Now some of that stardust is falling away from her hero because she caught him in some lies. You have to understand that she agrees with a lot of what he says so she isn't quite ready for the scales to fall from her eyes yet. However, she doesn't like Hillary and didn't like Bernie a week ago, but he's winning her over and I thought that was worth exploring here in the Bernie group.

Also, her attraction to Trump was that he wasn't establishment either and by that she meant the insider Washington politicos. So it tells me a lot about how Republicans are seeing this election.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

5. OH for crying out loud I was not trying to argue. This is getting BAD

Really, this is getting sad.

I have to shake my head.

never mind...

I wont post in this group anymore.

[Cleita]

6. Oh, are you just trying to put me down?

That's silly. This board is for discussion. I come here to talk to friends. I can go to GDP if I want a pissing match.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

7. I was ONLY talking about the idiot you came across and Trump, not at all trying

to argue with you.

I now see that anything I say that could slightly be construed as not trashing Hillary, which I did by pointing out what a liar Trump is, could be trouble here.

I therefore am leaving this forum, I think you misunderstood me and there is no reason for us to argue, but I will not post in the Bernie group again.

Unless I do it by accident.

[Cleita]

8. No one is trashing Hillary. We are talking about a real problem with her honesty.

But don't post if you'd rather not.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

9. Peace out, sincerely...I will come back after we have a nominee

[Roy Rolling]

22. "I appreciate that you want to argue about this"

I did not see any argument in what was said.

I'm sure we can get this all to "work out, baby, work out".

[LiberalArkie]

10. I have had people say the same to me. They don't make any sense when they say why they

support Trump. It is just that they know they don't like Hillary and all the Republicans are very over the top, so they will consider Bernie because he is different. It is like how can a racist Republican support Carson, but many did.

[Skittles]

25. it got sad quite some time ago

[Wednesdays]

32. I didn't see any arguing...

at least not up to this point.

[Mr.Bill]

15. If you want to get the

billionaires who buy politicians to get laws passed in their favor out of our political system, it's probably not a good idea to elect a billionaire who has been buying politicians for decades to get laws passed in his favor.

Trump just decided to cut out the middlemen he has been paying and become a politician himself.

[RoccoR5955]

11. I have seen a similar thing here in NY

We in NY have heard of Bernie, especially in the Hudson Valley, from Beacon up to Albany, and all the way up to Canada, because the local public radio station, WAMC has had him on the air since he was mayor of Burlington. This station is the number one news station in the Albany listening area, for a long time now.
Be that as it may, the CONservatives and RepubliCONs here say that even though they may not agree with Bernie's policies, he has been consistent, honest, and walks the walk that he talks about. They tell me that they are sick of the current crop of RepubliCLOWNs, and cannot stand Clinton, as she was "the carpetbagger Senator" from NY. They tell me that it is high time that we had a person with the morals that Bernie has, and would vote for him over ANY candidate!

[Binkie The Clown]

12. Bernie is our only candidate that can pull crossover votes.

Hillary will never get those kind of votes.

But, we can point to poll after poll showing that Clinton will lose in the general, while Bernie will win, and they still stick their fingers in their ears and say:




Why do Clinton supporters want a Republican president? Can you answer me that?

[Dont call me Shirley]

13. That's why the DLC has their undies in a bunch.

[Bubzer]

14. Typo?

"So she says yes, she's so sick of establishment types that she will have to vote for Trump if Hillary is the candidate because she can't stand all the lies she tells." Did you mean Bernie instead of trump here?

[Gore1FL]

16. I think she was talking General Election.

The way I read it, the person in the gym would vote for Sanders in the Trump vs Sanders race, and Trump in a Trump vs Hillary contest.

[Cleita]

20. That's right. Thanks for articulating it for me. eom

[Bubzer]

27. Ahhhhhhh. Got it. I must have read wrong. Thanks for that!

[Spitfire of ATJ]

18. I've met people voting for Bernie to stop Hillary.

[Mira]

23. ME TOO

One just today.
A dear friend, 93 years old, I stopped in just to spend a little time sitting in the rays of the sun on a porch rocking chair. He lives alone, and gets lonely. He knows I follow politics and have opinions.
He said, without my asking:
"I think Bernie will win in North Carolina, I look around and they just don't like the alternative. I'll be voting for him."

[Spitfire of ATJ]

24. Meanwhile the Dems in DC are TERRIFIED that Wall Street doesn't love them anymore.

[Cleita]

19. She's a registered Republican so she can't vote in the primary.

She will vote for Trump then, if she even votes in the primary. But what she said was, as I understood it, that she was going to vote for Bernie in the general election. If Hillary was the Dem candidate then she would vote for Trump. I just thought it fascinating that she was going to cross the aisle to vote for Bernie if he's on the ballot by then.

[Bubzer]

28. Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying for me! I probably misread it.

[zentrum]

17. The Clintons

……now have a political tin ear despite Bill's vaunted talents. They couldn't intuit or hear or accept how exhausted the country is with them. Just as they were with another Bush.

[Cleita]

21. Seems both sides are fed up with political dynasties, which are not

good for democracy anyhow.

[virgista]

26. But on the downer side, "normal" moderate Republicans might like Hillary and vote for

her because that's what she is: a moderate Republican masquerading as a Democrat. Her stances: pro-business, pro-military, pro let's not have any changes to the status quo, are right in there with the nice Republican next door neighbors. Clown car Trump and Cruz aren't really to their taste.

The situation is fluid. And weird.

[bernbabe]

29. Most Republicans *despise* Hillary

and it goes back many years. I don't think many would vote for her at all.

[Vincardog]

30. Most Republicans *would crawl over broken glass naked, to vote against* Hillary

[jeepers]

31. Makes me wonder

if the media play with Trump isn't at least partly designed to steal or keep the anti establishmentarians away from Bernies campaign