Does Ohio seem wrong?

... Maybe a little number switching?????????????

and doing so for 1 in every 25 votes gives 8% flip, etc. As Steven Freeman said several years ago, It's "trivially easy" to change an election by maliciously programming the voting machines or just by altering the report of the results for the central tabulators. It's been happening for well over a decade now. Kerry lost the election in OH due to the machines though probably in a slightly different manner in 04.

The only way to put a stop to it now, as long as we've decided to use the machines (even though common sense indicates that it's undemocratic and highly dangerous), is to REQUIRE an AUDIT for every democratic election and if serious statistical anomalies are found to REQUIRE A COMPLETE RECOUNT OF THE PAPER (assuming there even is any paper to count).

I suspect that MO was tilted too and maybe IL.

The point is nobody can prove me wrong because it's impossible to know whether Hillary actually won or Sanders won, so it's really just a matter of opinion. I choose to believe that Sanders won in OH and maybe in MO and IL as well. NC might not be attributable to the machines as much as to the voter suppression.

Maybe Ohioans were just supporting their native son.

Kasich was born in McKeesport, PA, outside Pittsburgh.

He only won in 2014 because his opponent, Ed FitzGerald, was an embarrassingly incompetent challenger.

Read up on Kasich, he's nothing special himself. But the GOP dominates this state, and it shows.

Native son for all practical purposes

sadly is more conservative than Michigan. I was born in Ohio and most of my cousins who are still there are very conservative. I also bet you have some Ohio voters who will do the opposite of Michigan because they hate Michigan.

Akron Canton sure is.

my daughter's aunts/uncles (her dad's relatives) are VERY conservative. They have the confederate flag and some even have the Nazi flag hanging from their homes. I kid you not!!

She was devastated when she went to meet them for the first time last year. She left early.

Live outside their little box of provincial nonsense, they can and will change.

I had a female relative, and she was very RW when I was growing up. Despite her friends and her spouse being progressive, she would say things like, "Hitler would have a solution for the blacks, and I would approve of that solution." !!!!

Then her neighborhood changed and the store where she assisted management became a place where AA's spent quite a bit of money. After several months of daily contact, she was in love with the African American community. Her daily contact with real people had her soon realizing they were not all on welfare, any more than "all white people" were. She soon realized that they were not sub-par for the human race, but instead extremely intelligent and creative. And whatever other nonsensical stuff she had believed was put behind her as well.

I found her transformation amazing, but it does make sense. We all are often afraid of the unknown. And often once it becomes known it is not at all scary.

They can be extremely friendly, and even quite empathetic in many ways to the -actual people- who appear within their daily lives.

Yet still remain entirely bigoted when thinking in a more general sense about whatever group (race, gender, profession, sexual ID, etc) they're hung up against.

Thus is the conservative way.

I am not going to lose sleep over it. Bernie's best states are coming up and she isn't going to get the nomination.

She isn't going to get the nomination.

FBI.

a big shoe is going to drop and 11 days of questioning will be the "good ol' days".

I went to college in OH. I voted for Jesse Jackson in that primary. I think I was literally the only one on my campus to do so. Ohio is not progressive. Let's not pretend that it is.

Electronic Voting Machinery that was used in Ohio, way back in 2004.

Party Big Wigs could have cared less.

Possibly because they all knew they might need the same tricks up their sleeves at some future point?

Wouldn't surprise me if KKKarl Rove wasn't lurking in the background. He's been awful quiet this primary season. Somehow it just doesn't seem natural.

and given Rove's reaction that night, I'm inclined to believe them.

Election Night as the coverage is so biased, and far more on the RW side of things than the Left. Can you explain how Rove acted? Much appreciated in advance. (One of my happier reactions, politics-wise, was when I thought Rush Limbaugh's head would explode, the day after Bill Clinton accomplished his first win of the WH!)

as election night went on Turd Blossom (as Bush called him) kept insisting that there was no doubt Ohio would go for Romney. As the night wore on he began to sound desperate.

This Truth Out article explains it nicely:

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/12845-anonymous-karl-rove-and-2012-election-fix

This is from Thom Hartmann's show and he talks about what role Anonymous may have had. (He covers some of the same ground in the Truth Out Link.



This video is long and not that interesting but you can skip through it to see on Rove kept insisting it was too soon to call Ohio.

So I am not that shocked.

The under 50 voters didn't turn out.. CNN exit polls showed the majority of voters were over 50.

The ones immediately after the voting, or the adjusted ones after the final tallies were announced?

All such polls now lower the numbers for the Dems because it is assumed that Repubs are less likely to take part in the exit polling (though it's hard to explain why Repubs would be less likely to do so).

Here in KS after the pre-election polls had Kobach in a very tight race for sec of state, he won by over 17% of the vote. It's no wonder he is determined to keep Beth Clarkson or anybody from actually auditing or recounting any of the paper, even the paper print-outs on the touch screen machines.

I went straight to them before the votes were even coming in and at first I was excited b/c it broke down the age groups into 6 groups and Bernie was ahead in 4 out of 6. (They have changed the poll now to show only 4 categories)

As I studied the numbers, I realized they were showing me a loss (I think I posted about right after reading it).

Their categories (I think) were

18-25, 25-35, 35-49, 50-65 and 65 and up.

18-25 broke HEAVILY for Bernie 85 / 15, but they were only 8 or 9%

25-29 also for Bernie 77/23, but they were only 7 or 8%

30-39 was about 55/45 for Bernie, but they were about 15%

40-49 was about 55/45 for Bernie and they were 15%

50-65 was about 65/35 for Clinton and they were 33%

65 and up was 80/20 for Clinton and they were 22%.

I did the math and turned to my wife and said... "unless this is completely wrong, Bernie is not winning Ohio"

She didn't want to accept it, but I showed her that if 55% of the voters were 50 and up and they broke from Clinton 65% and higher, there just isn't enough votes left for Bernie to make up the difference.

Not quite sure why Ohio skewed so much older than some of the states, but that is what the CNN exit poll seemed to show. Maybe it was having 167K of them on Spring Break... not sure.

A goodly number of Democrats did, too. He's their guy, they like him, and they wanted to stop Trump.

Sucks for Bernie's campaign, but in retrospect we should have seen it coming.

Edited to add: not sure why younger people didn't come out to vote. That's puzzling.

From link:

"...Ohio's primary Tuesday is semi-open.

Ohioans do not declare a party when they register to vote; voters choose to affiliate with a party by selecting that party's primary ballot on Election Day. Voters who do not choose a party can vote an unaffiliated ballot that contains tax measures and other nonpartisan issues..."
"

I am a native Ohioan and I totally don't get these results.

Which makes no sense at all, fear makes people do irrational things.

would waste their precious vote on Kasich?

But dems that don't like Clinton might. Also, Ohio is Kasich's home state. They know him, like him and trust him.

It makes sense.

Showed Sanders won the >100K/year income people and Hillary got <100K people? That seemed odd.

The poll I worked at in Ohio today had a mainly older (60's an up) and low turnout voter base. Plus a surprising number of switches from D to R. I think Trump had them scared an deciding to vote Kasich (Although I don't see how he maintains his favorability in Ohio after all he has done here). Plus a low provisional vote count. Was a disappointing day voter wise.

2. NC is closer than expected.

and they're definitely going to go to Bernie, so the numbers will be much, much closer.

PEACE
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It worked, if Republicans have a brokered convention, Kasich will be an option now, probably a more viable option than Rubio at this point.

than Hillary--and he came in second. Things are often screwy when a senator or governor is running in their home state.

things there have been extremely messed up for a long time.

margin is virtually identical to freakin' *North Carolina's*?!? WTF?

And Tyler had Bernie WINNING Illinois and Missouri.

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...about Dems crossing over to vote for Kasich. And I bet that a lot of indies that Bernie would have normally picked up did the same. I won't lose sleep over it.

That being said, after I finish scanning through the Bernie group, I believe I will avoid DU the rest of today. I don't think I can't take any foaming-at-the-mouth gloating from Camp Weathervane. See you all tomorrow.

is not something that's being tackled. There are reasons for letting these things remain wide open, and it does not bode well for a democracy.

And of course,with the heads of both Parties firmly ensconced inside the lifestyles of the One Percent, it doesn't bother them one little bit if the nation remains a democracy or not.

are students on spring break and Republican/Independents voting for Kasich rather than Sanders.

Sad night all the way around.