What attitudes and behaviors toward you are driving you most crazy with Clinton supporters?

[shadowandblossom]

Outsider here to your group, but I'm curious.

So, anybody what are you dealing with regularly that is most noxious? What are you sick of/is pissing you off. If anybody wants to vent or talk about it I really want to know.

[Fairgo]

1. This could be constructive, if taken in the right spirit

When anyone abandons the principles and values of democracy as the core feature of our community and continues to speak with authority about our identity and direction, regardless of original position, they slide into meaningless braying and mob behaviour that appeals to the most primitive of human drives. It's called ignorance, and it is everywhere. The republicans have distilled it into a weapons grade disease. Factions on the board seem to have a mild infection. Unlike a zombie bite there is a cure: induce critical thinking, over democratic values, in a safe space, over time.

[Buddyblazon]

2. Well...

I suppose being ridiculed probably turns off most Bernie supporters. Being dismissed and called crazy or worse. Being called sexist and racist and young and lazy (I'm 43 and own a couple of businesses so I have no idea where that comes from) and misogynistic. Being called stupid. Being told were not democrats/liberals/progressives because we don't want to vote for Hillary. Claiming after all these years of caucusing with the democrats that Bernie should not be allowed run as a democrat.

I'm pretty sure that many are NOT partaking in this behavior. There are vocal few that seem to really enjoy alienating Sanders supporters. And they're doing a very efficient job of it. I have said before I would hold my nose and vote for Hillary. But being called names and dismissed makes those chances, for me, less and less everyday. I really don't want to vote for a candidate whose supporters hate my guts.

[shadowandblossom]

6. I've engaged in some of this.

I have had a generally dismissive attitude, have done some stereotyping about age and have projected about some of the misogyny I've dealt with online beyond the individuals doing it. What your saying makes sense. I have made at least one comment rooted in my own superiority in contrast to those who wouldn't hold their nose to vote for her.
I also would find having my age and experiences dismissed grating.

[Buddyblazon]

8. Thank you, Shadow...

Just so Hillary supporters know something about me personally...I have voted for a Clinton...twice.

I think that some of the detractors, as I said, are a vocal few. Perhaps the admins should keep an eye on the trolls as the party attempt to reconcile Bernie supporters. They do far more harm than good. 1 troll voice over shadows 10 non-dismissive voices.

[blm]

3. The overthetop snark and gloating is annoying now, and, unhealthy for the party in the long run.

I hope some of the elder statesmen/women in the HRC group start curbing some of the worst actors before their worst actors and some of this group's worst actors ruin this board irretrievably.

I used to be more quiet about the conflicts because I had to focus on primary GOTV work. NC voted, so, now I have more time, and it seems most of my posts are trying to put out fires that I feel will do damage to our party going forward. The constant malice has got to stop somewhere.

Thank you for your effort here. It's appreciated.

[DamnYankeeInHouston]

4. Supporting a highly tainted and corporately owned candidate who is on the wrong side of issues.

[valerief]

5. Well, after all, they're just doing what they're paid to do. nt

[surrealAmerican]

7. Here's a pretty good example:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511568975

When they post some right-wing meme like that one. We expect this from republicans, not fellow democrats.

[shadowandblossom]

9. k, yeah,

and use it to dismiss an issue of ideals as being rooted in being self-serving and lazy.

[blm]

10. That is a loathsome post.

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[mak3cats]

11. What I like the least is that a lot of them (not all)...

...spend most of their time posting anti-Bernie or anti-Bernie-supporters stuff, and nothing about why their candidate is better. (Fair disclaimer, and no offense intended because I believe that you are sincere in your question here: I also don't like it when our group spends more time talking about Hillary supporters than we're talking about Bernie. Seems to be the case lately, and I don't care for it.)

[shadowandblossom]

12. I am. I'm not going to take offense.

Walked into your group bc I really wanted to know.

[ALittleBirdie]

13. Why are you asking?

[shadowandblossom]

16. basically, to look at it from a different perspective, that isn't immediately obvious to me,

and then try to treat people with greater respect. I know the other way around what grates on my nerves. Because of the people who responded to me here I now have a fuller picture.

[Ino]

14. Here's my list (no particular order)...

1. Being told I'm not a real Democrat, that I'm a traitor, if I don't vote for Hillary.
2. Being told not to criticize Hillary as that will weaken her for the GE.
3. Referring to Hillary as the Presumptive Nominee.
4. Waving the gender card every chance they get. (BTW, I'm female.)
5. Pouncing on the source of an article rather than addressing the issue.
6. Refusing to acknowledge, much less discuss, Hillary's many negatives.
7. The loyalty oaths.

[noamnety]

19. Regarding #5

We're in a catch 22 on sources for info.

Media is so partisan and corporate controlled/establishment at this point that the MSM that supports Hillary won't report anything negative - even if true, and media that is critical is immediately dismissed as nonvalid - because it will be the right wing media. And anything further left of mainstream is dismissed as too far left (Greenwald).

Same goes for investigations. The left won't investigate the Clinton Foundation because they are circling their wagons around one of their own, and if the right does it, it's because they are republicans. But we would never dismiss out of hand the idea of a democrat calling for an investigation of corruption of a republican suspected of bribes.

[SoapBox]

15. The lies...

That Bernie is a racist, sexist and on and on...I've lost track of the attacks as the months have gone on.

Then it wasn't enough to attack him, then they started in on his supporters.

And all this with refusal to simply talk issues and the candidates platforms.

Bring up any of her history, fact or fiction, seems to guarantee a rabid attack.

Don't even get me started on the DNC, DWS, the media and the Elites that have run to defend her come hell or high water, setting her up to be swept into the nomination.

I've learned more than I ever knew about the Clintons, in the last several months...I was shocked as it was an eye opener.

...some of my thoughts.

[Mbrow]

17. Let me tell you a little story,

I was helping the Sub chair at our caucus and got to talking to the HRC sub chair, Nice fellow ( small town most of us know each other). We had a great talk about our candidates none of us said anything bad about the other, you get the idea. 99% of the HRC people I know are like that and the same on the Bernie side. So it begs the Question WTF is wrong with a small percentage of people who post this nasty shit here? It can't be to try to convince me to switch. It can't be to convince lurkers, readers, outside viewers that your side is correct. So why are they doing it? IMHO it's because they are paid to do it, oh a small percentage might be just shit stirring asshole, everybody gets them in any group, but the majority seem to be paid trolls either from the RW side or HRC side. So what bothers me most is the fact so many people who normally be nice and have a simple good discussion allow a few "leader trolls" turn this forum to a stinking shit hole

[Ino]

18. And another thing...

Hillary fans who come into the Bernie Sanders Group to alert on posts.

And Hillary fans who write posts starting out with, "I'm a Bernie supporter, but..." A quick look at their "Favorite Group" and Recs show they are liars.