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Sun Apr 10, 2016, 12:07 AM

Bernie won Wyoming, but they each got 7 delegates a piece. How and why?

He needed 56% or above to score that 8th delegate, and we were just short.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4e4n8r/eli5_bernie_won_wyoming_but_they_each_got_7/

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Reply Bernie won Wyoming, but they each got 7 delegates a piece. How and why? (Original post)
leftcoastmountains Apr 2016 OP
TexasBushwhacker Apr 2016 #1
leftcoastmountains Apr 2016 #5
TBF Apr 2016 #6
TexasBushwhacker Apr 2016 #9
TBF Apr 2016 #17
pokerfan Apr 2016 #2
Bernin4U Apr 2016 #3
jillan Apr 2016 #4
Duval Apr 2016 #8
magical thyme Apr 2016 #7
leftcoastmountains Apr 2016 #10
magical thyme Apr 2016 #11
Jim Lane Apr 2016 #12
xloadiex Apr 2016 #13
eridani Apr 2016 #14
eridani Apr 2016 #15
hopemountain Apr 2016 #16
TBF Apr 2016 #18
hopemountain Apr 2016 #19

Response to leftcoastmountains (Original post)

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:17 AM

1. That's just bullshit!

In what universe does a 12% margin translate to 50/50?

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Response to TexasBushwhacker (Reply #1)

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:59 AM

5. Yeah I'm really, really disgusted with the

system today. I'm afraid what kind of crap they are going to pull
in New York? Political parties and the media can kiss my grits.

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Response to leftcoastmountains (Reply #5)

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 12:16 PM

6. It's not like this is just beginning -

she has done this one way or another in most of the states, starting with her miraculous coin flips in Iowa.

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Response to TBF (Reply #6)

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:45 PM

9. I know. Somehow things always seem to magically go

Her way. What about Nevada? Isn't Bernie supposed to pick up a couple of delegates?

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Response to TexasBushwhacker (Reply #9)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 06:58 AM

17. Nevada is unclear

It’s unclear at this time exactly what this means statewide or how many extra delegates Sanders will pick up from the state convention. There are 35 delegates total for Nevada and 25 are rewarded proportionally based on caucus results. Twelve are awarded through county conventions. Sanders may pick up as few as just one or two extra delegates, or it could give Sanders as many as 10 extra delegates in the national convention. (Nevada also has eight superdelegates.) Source: http://heavy.com/news/2016/04/bernie-sanders-wins-nevada-flips-clark-county-convention-las-vegas-delegates-arrested-clinton-videos/


I'm pretty sure the democrats in Nevada will have a state convention in which this will be worked out (delegates will be selected to go to the democratic national convention this summer).

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Response to leftcoastmountains (Original post)

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:37 AM

2. plus 4 superdelegates to HillBill

So 57%-43% turns into 7-11 in delegates?

is wrong with this party?

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Response to leftcoastmountains (Original post)

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 03:24 AM

3. Yeah, curious about that

Esp compared to, say, IA, where her 0.3% win gave her +2 pledged delegates.

Thinking maybe it has to do with per-county allocations?

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Response to leftcoastmountains (Original post)

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 04:01 AM

4. If only elections were based on the actual votes and not delegates & the electoral college.

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Response to jillan (Reply #4)

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:31 PM

8. Right.

 




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Response to leftcoastmountains (Original post)

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 12:22 PM

7. how? math. really, really, really bad math.

 

14 delegates translates to 7.14% per delegate. (100/14 = 7.14)

6 delegates x 7.14 = 42.84%
7 delegates x 7.14 = 49.98%
8 delegates x 7.14 = 57.14%

At 55% Bernie was 5+ points above 7 and 2.14 points below 8 delegates
At 45% Hills was 2+ points above 6 and just under 5 points below 7 delegates

why? Really, you have to ask?

Obviously, Bernie "owes" Hills 5 of his % just... because.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #7)

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 04:47 PM

10. Not to mention the %100 vote for Hill

in the surrogate ballots.

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Response to leftcoastmountains (Reply #10)

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 04:55 PM

11. yeah, I read something about that...

 

bottom line: rampant cheating. so what else is new?

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #7)

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 07:06 PM

12. It's bad, but not quite that bad.

 

A comment on reddit gives this explanation:

Of the 14 delegates, 8 are allocated "by congressional district", 4 are allocated as "at large" regular delegates, and 2 are allocated as "at large" pledged PLEO (Party Leader & Elected Official) delegates.

Doing the math on all 14 at once, Bernie would have gotten 8. But instead they do the math separately on the 8, 4, and 2. So Bernie got 4/8 Congressional District delegates, 2/4 At-Large delegates, and 1/2 PLEO delegates.


I haven't checked it out but that's plausible to me. The general rule is that states have some delegates allocated by CD (per the vote in that CD) and some by the statewide vote.

The problem here is that Wyoming has only one CD. The "vote in that CD" and "the statewide vote" are necessarily the same. Accordingly, the usual formula shouldn't be woodenly applied in the handful of small states with only one CD. In those states, the inequities that inevitably attend the rounding-off process can be minimized by lumping together the calculations for the CD delegates and the statewide delegates.

We're presumably stuck with the bad result for this cycle. For the future, though, the party should modify the rules for the one-CD states.

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Response to leftcoastmountains (Original post)

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:29 PM

13. Something seems very off with Wyoming

Have you read this? There is also a MoveOn Petition calling for an investigation.

http://politicswithsoul.blogspot.com/2016/04/clinton-profits-in-wyoming-from-gop.html

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Response to xloadiex (Reply #13)

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:31 PM

14. When 90% of the Clinton votes were from surrogate forms, that is highly suspicious

In WA State, no more than 1/3 of total votes were from surrogate forms.

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Response to leftcoastmountains (Original post)

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:37 PM

15. Not to worry--few of those who filed surrogate forms will go on to the next step

That's when Bernie gets 10-12 of 13 delegates.

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Response to eridani (Reply #15)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 01:03 AM

16. yes, when all of the publicity

on wyoming results diminish & other primaries have taken place. the billary campaign is taking every advantage they can devise - because ...

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Response to hopemountain (Reply #16)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:16 PM

18. Their game plan is discouragement -

At this level Hillary doesn't have to actually win - she just has to look like she's inevitable (which is why the bots spend so much time on that aspect). If donations dry up Bernie can't keep going. We've got to donate, call, rally, donate, call, rally, etc. Keep it going. Do.Not.Give.In. I don't care if you're sending $50 per month or $2 per month - the point is to keep going. Nothing is ironclad until we get to the state conventions picking delegates, and then what they do at the convention. Hell, for all we know it could all blow up and go to Biden or something.

We've got to be vigilant and play to win. If we can get Bernie to the nomination he is in good shape to win the general. He matches up MUCH better against any republican than Hillary Clinton does. And if it's really going to be Paul Ryan as the nominee at least we have a fighting chance with Bernie. No doubt in my mind Hillary can not beat Ryan.

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Response to TBF (Reply #18)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:32 AM

19. absolutely! there is no rest

when racing an obstacle course of barriers to winning. we keep on keepin' on and do not waste time looking back to complain or whine or celebrate overcoming hurdles. plenty of time for that later. to win, one must be focused on the prize and not waste energy on stuff that can be dealt with later.

donate.call.rally.donate.call.rally….keep it going. no. giving.in! it ain't over 'till it's over. keep.your.eyes.on.the.prize.

thanks, tbf

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