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Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:55 AM

 

Public service announcement regarding DU jury duty.

I just want to encourage Bernie folks to accept jury duty when you get a chance. I think our participation is making a difference in the process. I was never a fan until I got two hides in one day, my first in eleven years. Now I take a minute to look. You never know if it's someone being railroaded! Peace. Have an awesome Sunday!

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Reply Public service announcement regarding DU jury duty. (Original post)
peace13 Apr 2016 OP
Rebkeh Apr 2016 #1
Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #2
CentralMass Apr 2016 #4
GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #6
Duval Apr 2016 #14
CentralMass Apr 2016 #3
Hiraeth Apr 2016 #5
CharlotteVale Apr 2016 #7
Hiraeth Apr 2016 #8
CharlotteVale Apr 2016 #9
n2doc Apr 2016 #10
JudyM Apr 2016 #18
n2doc Apr 2016 #19
LiberalElite Apr 2016 #11
SoapBox Apr 2016 #12
Duval Apr 2016 #13
Karma13612 Apr 2016 #15
Plucketeer Apr 2016 #16
dorkzilla Apr 2016 #17
Jennylynn Apr 2016 #20
eridani Apr 2016 #21
Duppers Apr 2016 #22
slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #24
Duppers Apr 2016 #30
slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #23
pokerfan Apr 2016 #25
bvf Apr 2016 #28
KPN Apr 2016 #26
JDPriestly Apr 2016 #27
Peace Patriot Apr 2016 #29

Response to peace13 (Original post)

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:57 AM

1. I love serving on juries but lately they feel more like set ups than anything

I'm not taking the bait.

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Response to peace13 (Original post)

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:58 AM

2. I always accept jury duty...

And over the last week or so, I find that camp Hillary flag posts that are 'offensive' to them and they offense is that it points out a negative truth about Hillary not said in any objectively offensive way.

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Response to Else You Are Mad (Reply #2)

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 12:05 PM

4. Yes, I have seen a lot if that as well.

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Response to CentralMass (Reply #4)

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 12:26 PM

6. Yep one of my hides was a Young Turks video pointing out Hillary's special interests donations...

 

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Response to GeorgiaPeanuts (Reply #6)

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 04:01 PM

14. A ridiculous "hide" because it was truthful!

 

"Some" don't want to hear anything that doesn't support the uncrowned queen, even when it's an honest critique.

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Response to peace13 (Original post)

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 12:03 PM

3. I alwayo serve when asked.

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Response to peace13 (Original post)

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 12:06 PM

5. also, you will not be called to jury on posters you have on ignore.

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Response to Hiraeth (Reply #5)

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 12:36 PM

7. That happened to me recently. Really pissed me off, too.

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Response to CharlotteVale (Reply #7)

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 12:37 PM

8. what happened?

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Response to Hiraeth (Reply #8)

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 12:40 PM

9. I got a notice to be on a jury for a post written by someone I ignore.

As soon as I saw who the alerted on post was by I backed out of the jury. Didn't even want to read the obnoxious shit in the post.

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Response to peace13 (Original post)

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:39 PM

10. I always accept

But I rarely give any reason, because you can get punished for giving the 'wrong' reason. But I do think it is important to fight the folks abusing the system.

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Response to n2doc (Reply #10)

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 05:17 PM

18. I always accept, too, just careful with the reason. I think I'm fair; the hilbots waay over-alert,

Though, so I usually end up urging them to quit wasting the jury's time.

In all the juries I've been called to, I've never had one where a Bernie supporter was unreasonably over-alerting...

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Response to JudyM (Reply #18)

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 05:19 PM

19. Ive been on a couple

They are rare, but not nonexistent. Bernie Supporters can get oversensitive too. Especially when the wars are going hot n heavy.

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Response to peace13 (Original post)

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 03:53 PM

11. I always accept. nt

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Response to peace13 (Original post)

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 03:55 PM

12. Agree...please preference that you will serve and then accept the notices.

Many are so petty and ridiculous that you can get through the process quickly. Occasional I do need to try looking at the whole thread...those are usually the ones for me that have turned into a sewer meltdown.

I surprise myself as I'm on the correct decision side by about 99% of the time...such a fitting number.

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Response to peace13 (Original post)

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 03:57 PM

13. I enjoy serving on jury duty! nt

 

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Response to peace13 (Original post)

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 04:11 PM

15. I always accept. Makes me feel more

Connected to the site.

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Response to peace13 (Original post)

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 04:30 PM

16. I'd say 90% of the time

 

I accept. I like doing it.

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Response to peace13 (Original post)

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 04:36 PM

17. I've never not served when asked

And I take my time reading the thread and so that I may know if someone is responding in kind and is just the unfortunate one to get alerted on, or if there is a mis-read of the post or some such. From what I have seen, it's almost never
straightforward.

Sorry about your hides!

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Response to peace13 (Original post)

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 07:51 PM

20. I've served on a few juries in my short time of posting on this site. 15 year member

I just recently alerted. A Hill supporter called a Sanders supporter an idiot. That was a no-brainer.
A Hill supporter took my side and voted to hide. I could tell by their comment. Blah, blah, blah,...but calling someone an idiot is wrong! (Agreed with the reply but not the calling of an idiot.)

So, they're not all bad I guess I mean to say. LOL

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Response to peace13 (Original post)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:12 AM

21. I usually get called when I've only been logged in a few minutes

I always serve when asked.

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Response to peace13 (Original post)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:48 AM

22. I accidently changed my status

To not wanting to serve. How do I change it back?

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Response to Duppers (Reply #22)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 01:27 AM

24. Click on my account and you can change it under preferences ...

as someone mentioned above, if you have someone on ignore, that might interfere with being called.

I do not have anyone on ignore.



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Response to slipslidingaway (Reply #24)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 03:53 AM

30. Thank you! I changed it back.

Unfortunately, I have quite a number of people hidden.

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Response to peace13 (Original post)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 01:21 AM

23. Always accept, recently one to two times per day, do not have anyone ignore. nt

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Response to peace13 (Original post)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 01:56 AM

25. What's the point?

I served on a jury yesterday where I helped hide a post by someone with eleven hides!

It just seems pointless, given the current state of DU.

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Response to pokerfan (Reply #25)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 02:42 AM

28. As I understand it, an unusual number of hides

 

in a relatively short period will increase the chance of being flagged for review. Once that happens, you're not allowed to post, PM, or rec threads until the management lets you off the hook.

Anyone feel free to correct me if I'm off base about anything here.

Amnesty has sucked and should never have happened. But at least we're still temporarily graced by the absence of a small few of the more egregious offenders. Cold comfort, I guess.


I always serve when called. The one exception was once when I fat-fingered the "excuse" button.

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Response to peace13 (Original post)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 02:07 AM

26. Good comment!

I'm relatively knew to the forum though I've followed DU for years. I've already had a hide for having used a word that I repeated from a poster two posts ahead of me that struck me as totally innocuous. My opinion: my post was hidden because it was critical of Hillary and Hillary supporters assigned meaning that wasn't there.

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Response to peace13 (Original post)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 02:21 AM

27. Whether a Hillary or Bernie supporter, I refuse to remove a thread unless absolutely necessary.

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Response to peace13 (Original post)

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 03:34 AM

29. I serve on juries often. I've never put anyone on "ignore,"...

...I've never "alerted" on anyone, and I've only voted once to "hide" a comment. It was a nasty racial slur against President Obama. But I was ambivalent about "hiding" even that because I WANT TO KNOW what people are posting, and get the whole picture of their views, biases, level of nastiness, level of brilliance or whatever. That is the point of "free speech," it seems to me. You've got to hear a wide range of political opinions--even including vitriol and name-calling--to reach your own conclusions about what is good public policy and who to support for pubic office. In the old "Enlightenment" argument, free speech permits the good ideas to rise to the top and elevate the discussion and are eventually accepted by the majority; the bad ideas can be seen for what they are, in a free discussion, and will drift downward and be rejected.

Yeah, it's an ideal, but it's worth thinking about when someone says something that you strongly disagree with, or that you hate, or that you consider a lie. Isn't it better to answer them than to put them on "ignore" or vote to "hide" their remarks, or get trigger happy with "alerts"?

I made an exception for overt and quite nasty racism, because I think that racial hatred is the bane of our society. Aside from stealing all this land from the Native Americans with bloody wars, the ONLY issue that has brought us to civil war as a society has been race, specifically whites using blacks as slaves. Racism is an affliction that is still very much with us. The legacy of slavery is still very much with us. We've had many bloody conflicts--for instance, the bosses and owners against the workers and labor unions, or the KKK violence against blacks in the post-civil war era through the era of official segregation (and on into the present)--but it never brought about all out civil war, with vast armies slaughtering each other. So racial slurs have a particularly ominous resonance.

But I STILL half regret that jury vote, because the racial slur told us SO MUCH about the poster who made it.

I wish there was a better way to regulate DU--to keep it civil and to disallow items like racial slurs--without "hiding" things. For instance, remember from history what a "pillory" is, or a "stock":

The pillory was a device made of a wooden or metal framework erected on a post, with holes for securing the head and hands, formerly used for punishment by public humiliation and often further physical abuse. The pillory is related to the stocks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillory


Stocks are devices used internationally, in medieval, Renaissance and colonial American times as a form of physical punishment involving public humiliation. The stocks partially immobilized its victims and they were often exposed in a public place such as the site of a market to the scorn of those who passed by. Also, people threw food that was mainly rotten at the accused.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stocks


We could have a pillory or stock ICON that people could "throw" rotten fruit at, metaphorically. Leave the bad post or comment as is, but have a jury decide whether or not to place a pillory or stock icon next to the post, and have a counter for the number of people who agree that the comment or post should be pilloried.

This way you wouldn't have to dig out what was said that a jury found bad, and you ALSO give the one whose comment has been voted a "pillory" the chance, within the thread, to defend themselves. We can then judge for ourselves whether or not the jury was unfair.

Or maybe even have a counter and an un-counter. If enough people hit the un-counter, the "pillory" goes away.

One problem with the jury system as it is, is that injustice DOES occur, and there is no recourse. Also, the "hides" can result in getting a "ban," even a permanent "tombstoning."

I recognize that this is a private web site, and that the owners desire civil discourse. I prefer civil discourse myself but I also value uncivil discourse because of what it teaches us about the character and views of the uncivil one.



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