Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumPublic service announcement regarding DU jury duty.
I just want to encourage Bernie folks to accept jury duty when you get a chance. I think our participation is making a difference in the process. I was never a fan until I got two hides in one day, my first in eleven years. Now I take a minute to look. You never know if it's someone being railroaded! Peace. Have an awesome Sunday!
Rebkeh
(2,450 posts)I'm not taking the bait.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)And over the last week or so, I find that camp Hillary flag posts that are 'offensive' to them and they offense is that it points out a negative truth about Hillary not said in any objectively offensive way.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)"Some" don't want to hear anything that doesn't support the uncrowned queen, even when it's an honest critique.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)As soon as I saw who the alerted on post was by I backed out of the jury. Didn't even want to read the obnoxious shit in the post.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)But I rarely give any reason, because you can get punished for giving the 'wrong' reason. But I do think it is important to fight the folks abusing the system.
JudyM
(29,233 posts)Though, so I usually end up urging them to quit wasting the jury's time.
In all the juries I've been called to, I've never had one where a Bernie supporter was unreasonably over-alerting...
n2doc
(47,953 posts)They are rare, but not nonexistent. Bernie Supporters can get oversensitive too. Especially when the wars are going hot n heavy.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Many are so petty and ridiculous that you can get through the process quickly. Occasional I do need to try looking at the whole thread...those are usually the ones for me that have turned into a sewer meltdown.
I surprise myself as I'm on the correct decision side by about 99% of the time...such a fitting number.
Duval
(4,280 posts)Karma13612
(4,552 posts)Connected to the site.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)I accept. I like doing it.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)And I take my time reading the thread and so that I may know if someone is responding in kind and is just the unfortunate one to get alerted on, or if there is a mis-read of the post or some such. From what I have seen, it's almost never
straightforward.
Sorry about your hides!
Jennylynn
(696 posts)I just recently alerted. A Hill supporter called a Sanders supporter an idiot. That was a no-brainer.
A Hill supporter took my side and voted to hide. I could tell by their comment. Blah, blah, blah,...but calling someone an idiot is wrong! (Agreed with the reply but not the calling of an idiot.)
So, they're not all bad I guess I mean to say. LOL
eridani
(51,907 posts)I always serve when asked.
Duppers
(28,120 posts)To not wanting to serve. How do I change it back?
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)as someone mentioned above, if you have someone on ignore, that might interfere with being called.
I do not have anyone on ignore.
Duppers
(28,120 posts)Unfortunately, I have quite a number of people hidden.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)pokerfan
(27,677 posts)I served on a jury yesterday where I helped hide a post by someone with eleven hides!
It just seems pointless, given the current state of DU.
bvf
(6,604 posts)in a relatively short period will increase the chance of being flagged for review. Once that happens, you're not allowed to post, PM, or rec threads until the management lets you off the hook.
Anyone feel free to correct me if I'm off base about anything here.
Amnesty has sucked and should never have happened. But at least we're still temporarily graced by the absence of a small few of the more egregious offenders. Cold comfort, I guess.
I always serve when called. The one exception was once when I fat-fingered the "excuse" button.
KPN
(15,642 posts)I'm relatively knew to the forum though I've followed DU for years. I've already had a hide for having used a word that I repeated from a poster two posts ahead of me that struck me as totally innocuous. My opinion: my post was hidden because it was critical of Hillary and Hillary supporters assigned meaning that wasn't there.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)...I've never "alerted" on anyone, and I've only voted once to "hide" a comment. It was a nasty racial slur against President Obama. But I was ambivalent about "hiding" even that because I WANT TO KNOW what people are posting, and get the whole picture of their views, biases, level of nastiness, level of brilliance or whatever. That is the point of "free speech," it seems to me. You've got to hear a wide range of political opinions--even including vitriol and name-calling--to reach your own conclusions about what is good public policy and who to support for pubic office. In the old "Enlightenment" argument, free speech permits the good ideas to rise to the top and elevate the discussion and are eventually accepted by the majority; the bad ideas can be seen for what they are, in a free discussion, and will drift downward and be rejected.
Yeah, it's an ideal, but it's worth thinking about when someone says something that you strongly disagree with, or that you hate, or that you consider a lie. Isn't it better to answer them than to put them on "ignore" or vote to "hide" their remarks, or get trigger happy with "alerts"?
I made an exception for overt and quite nasty racism, because I think that racial hatred is the bane of our society. Aside from stealing all this land from the Native Americans with bloody wars, the ONLY issue that has brought us to civil war as a society has been race, specifically whites using blacks as slaves. Racism is an affliction that is still very much with us. The legacy of slavery is still very much with us. We've had many bloody conflicts--for instance, the bosses and owners against the workers and labor unions, or the KKK violence against blacks in the post-civil war era through the era of official segregation (and on into the present)--but it never brought about all out civil war, with vast armies slaughtering each other. So racial slurs have a particularly ominous resonance.
But I STILL half regret that jury vote, because the racial slur told us SO MUCH about the poster who made it.
I wish there was a better way to regulate DU--to keep it civil and to disallow items like racial slurs--without "hiding" things. For instance, remember from history what a "pillory" is, or a "stock":
The pillory was a device made of a wooden or metal framework erected on a post, with holes for securing the head and hands, formerly used for punishment by public humiliation and often further physical abuse. The pillory is related to the stocks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillory
Stocks are devices used internationally, in medieval, Renaissance and colonial American times as a form of physical punishment involving public humiliation. The stocks partially immobilized its victims and they were often exposed in a public place such as the site of a market to the scorn of those who passed by. Also, people threw food that was mainly rotten at the accused.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stocks
We could have a pillory or stock ICON that people could "throw" rotten fruit at, metaphorically. Leave the bad post or comment as is, but have a jury decide whether or not to place a pillory or stock icon next to the post, and have a counter for the number of people who agree that the comment or post should be pilloried.
This way you wouldn't have to dig out what was said that a jury found bad, and you ALSO give the one whose comment has been voted a "pillory" the chance, within the thread, to defend themselves. We can then judge for ourselves whether or not the jury was unfair.
Or maybe even have a counter and an un-counter. If enough people hit the un-counter, the "pillory" goes away.
One problem with the jury system as it is, is that injustice DOES occur, and there is no recourse. Also, the "hides" can result in getting a "ban," even a permanent "tombstoning."
I recognize that this is a private web site, and that the owners desire civil discourse. I prefer civil discourse myself but I also value uncivil discourse because of what it teaches us about the character and views of the uncivil one.