Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumOUCH!!! How do other Sanderistas respond to Tom Hayden turning against Bernie ...
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... and endorsing Hillary IN THE PRIMARY CAMPAIGN?????!!!!!!
https://www.thenation.com/article/i-used-to-support-bernie-but-then-i-changed-my-mind/
I think someone who has access to some kind of internet media (whether the Nation itself, or Talking Points Memo, or whatever) should put arguments here and elsewhere together into a rebuttal that actually gets published and distributed.
cloudythescribbler
(2,586 posts)Are there some black and latino Sanderistas who could answer that more in depth on this thread? I think that in the longer term struggle for the (relatively) progressive wing of the Democratic Party this issue is very important -- not just or primarily for this election cycle
merrily
(45,251 posts)cloudythescribbler
(2,586 posts)and it is better in a forum where you don't have lots of gloating hillary supporters and hot arguments
on the Left, Hayden at least in the past has had a lot of influence. this is important even if it isn't totally happy and good news, and important to respond to seriously
it may be that hayden was always warmer towards hillary than he lets on, but the thrust of his argument needs to be addressed by bernie supporters
merrily
(45,251 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)In fact, that runs explicitly against the ToS of this group.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)in the name of a passel of murderous cartel chiefs
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Why Is this here? It should be deleted.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)impressed by his reasoning.
Blue Meany
(1,947 posts)at the grassroots in the South. He launched his campaign April 30 and did really have funds to do anything before that.
DaveT
(687 posts)Didn't he used to be famous?
GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)Another astroturfing fake supporter bullshit piece.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)And Hillary probably gave him some to support her. That's how she gets endorsements. She HAS to pay them. No one with half a brain would support her Oh.........
jillan
(39,451 posts)I don't view it as an OUCH at all. I view it as Whatever!
HubertHeaver
(2,522 posts)Of the Chicago 7?
He should support Hillary. The same ilk and all.
If there are any disruptions at the convention, check out where ol' Tommy is. and his damn friends.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)was written by someone who never supported Bernie.
Bernin4U
(812 posts)Dems need to unite because Trump. (Gee, unite behind whom? Oh, the current front runner?)
Vote for Hillary because she's the strongest because she has the lead.
And the rest... Says basically nothing.
The whole, "I used to be a Bernie supporter, (but then came to my senses)," is like saying, "I used to support equal marriage...".
merrily
(45,251 posts)I would believe someone who believed the bs about McGovern and said, "I used to support Hillary because I didn't want a repeat of 1972. However, now that I see Bernie winning primaries, I am supporting him."
Not the other way, though. There have just been too many fake conversions on DU for me to buy it. These are people who I never believed supported Bernie from Day One. So, when I read their "I've seen the light" posts, I just
Donkees
(31,376 posts)The Congressional Black Caucus PAC announced its endorsement of Hillary Clintons presidential campaign on Thursday, a move that is being widely interpreted as a sign of her deep support from the African-American community. As they made their announcement, CBC PAC officials downplayed Bernie Sanders proposals for poverty reduction and tuition-free college as unrealistic, while touting Clinton as a bold leader.
Some of the members who spoke at the event, held at the Democratic National Committee headquarters, anticipated the same kind of criticism that the Sanders campaign has made of some other Washington-based leadership groups that have endorsed Clinton. We are not from the establishment, we are from the streets, said Rep. Gregory Meeks, D-N.Y.
But the Congressional Black Caucus PAC is not the same thing as the Congressional Black Caucus, which is made up of 46 members of Congress. Indeed, Rep. Keith Ellison, D-Minn., a Sanders supporter, made that point on Twitter:
Ellison then said in another tweet that endorsements should be the product of a fair open process. Didnt happen.
Ben Branch, the executive director of the Congressional Black Caucus PAC, told The Intercept that his group made the decision after a vote from its 20-member board. The board includes 11 lobbyists, seven elected officials, and two officials who work for the PAC. Branch confirmed that the lobbyists were involved in the endorsement, but would not go into detail about the process.
Members of the CBC PAC board include Daron Watts, a lobbyist for Purdue Pharma, the maker of the highly addictive opioid OxyContin; Mike Mckay and Chaka Burgess, both lobbyists for Navient, the student loan giant that was spun off of Sallie Mae; former Rep. Albert Wynn, D-Md., a lobbyist who represents a range of clients, including work last year on behalf of Lorillard Tobacco, the maker of Newport cigarettes; and William A. Kirk, who lobbies for a cigar industry trade group on a range of tobacco regulations.
And a significant percentage of the $7,000 raised this cycle by the CBC PAC from individuals was donated by white lobbyists, including Vic Fazio, who represents Philip Morris and served for years as a lobbyist to Corrections Corporation of America, and David Adams, a former Clinton aide who now lobbies for Wal-Mart, the largest gun distributor in America.
https://theintercept.com/2016/02/11/congressional-black-caucus-hillary/
cloudythescribbler
(2,586 posts)There are good reasons that the Clintons have long been popular in the black community -- first and foremost that the Clinton years were very good economically throughout the country. In fact, as an Obama supporter in 07-08 from day one (hoping that Obama would NOT be another neoliberal like the Cilntons, Gore, Kerry and Lieberman) I remember how for what seemed like the longest time Hillary Clinton had a double-digit lead in the polls among African-American voters. Oprah Winfrey's endorsement and active campaigning helped that to shift in 07.
But imagine that HRC gets the nomination and then gets elected president. Once again I would hope that Bernie Sanders does NOT simply fold up his organization but transforms it into a center of progressive opposition both within and outside the Democratic Party. At that point, I would imagine that there could be a much broader appeal during the years of a Hillary Clinton presidency for blacks and latinos. Bernie Sanders already has the support of many important progressives including, very vocally, Michelle Alexander, author of the blockbuster book "The New Jim Crow". So in my view, Tom Hayden's reasoning about race falls apart even without all the rather dubious realities of the Congressional Black Caucus PAC -- Hayden has been a very sophisticated progressive observer of US politics for over 50 years and should know better than to follow the kind of racial politics logic he advances in that essay.
I would like to see one or more DUers with online media connexions write a stirring rebuttal to Hayden == and this is VERY MUCH something that should be discussed in the Bernie Sanders group (in my arrogant opinion)