Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumWhy are Clinton supporters so bitter
About Sanders going to the Vatican? Isn't it good for everybody that he is spreading a message of equality to the world?
villager
(26,001 posts)I wonder how they imagine that's appealing for a campaign?
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)not everyone here is a progressive or even much of a dem. Some have only Reagan and everyone after as visions of leadership.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)would be attracted to just because they wanted to win because I have persisted in thinking of it as the party of everyday people and of democracy and common sense that comes with the wisdom of all.
Out of many, one.
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)That's all I can come up with.
Seems to me this is good for the (real) Democratic Party.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)when it goes out of control.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)There is no bigger collection of sourpusses in the nation.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,656 posts)1. Bernie is playing a long game - a very long game. His goal is much larger than just winning the nomination and the presidency; it's to start a monumental change in the way governance in a democracy is done - without the pernicious influence of big money, so ordinary people can have a fair chance at actually being heard, so government responds to our needs instead of just sucking us dry. Hillary is for more of what we've been getting for years, which is sucking hind teat economically and in terms of governance. The difference between the GOP and establishment Democratic politicians like Hillary is that the Dems are more socially liberal and more likely to support liberal social initiatives like pro-choice and pro-environment legislation, LGBT rights, etc., but they are willing to compromise on even these things if that's necessary to keep the gravy train running in their direction. That's the mindset Bernie opposes. When he decided to run for the nomination he probably didn't expect to be this successful. His goal has always been to wake people up to the terrible consequences of economic injustice. In that respect his campaign has been the maturation of the Occupy movement. Whether or not Bernie wins, this movement can't be stopped. But Hillary's folks don't like to be reminded that Bernie represents something much bigger and more important than politics as usual.
2. The optics of Bernie talking about the idolatry of money at an international conference while Hillary rubs shoulders with the glitterati at a $353K fundraiser for the rich and famous are not good, and they know it. Hence this morning's staged photo-ops she did with some poor people in Harlem, which were not unlike Paul Ryan's fake pot-washing at a food bank during the last election cycle. "See? I care about the poors, too! I even spoke to a couple of them!"
3. Somebody who made more money giving a few speeches to the vampire squids of Wall Street than would be necessary to support four middle-class families for a year will not be asked to talk to an international conference about economic justice.
4. Anything Bernie does, regardless of how positive (or maybe especially positive things), has to be downgraded, disregarded, misrepresented and made fun of. That's the whole stated plan of her campaign: "Disqualify and defeat." The mean-girl sniping about and Benghazi-ing of this conference is exactly that.
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)1monster
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Bernin4U
(812 posts)Thanks!
Hawaiianlight
(63 posts)Bernie and the Pope continue to blasphemy the Clinton cult of money worship.
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)It can't be easy being a Hillary supporter around here. Most on DU are supporting Sanders, and they have to see us all day, every day posting things about why Sanders would be a better president, from supporting the non-rich, being more honest, and not being investigated by the FBI. That's just a few. What can a Hillary supporter say about Hillary? They can't say a lot about her record or positions - they change all the time - so they have to make shit up like "she's strong." Or she's The Democrat (tm), regardless of her or Bernie's positions.
I can honestly see why they would get quite worn out trying to defend her. Of course, it would be better to honestly and objectively review their support for her, but that would be a really hard thing to do.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)And then you see posts like "If he was nicer to her, I would blah blah blah" and you know it doesn't play that way.
They have been bitter since the first freaking day they shoved Hillary in our face as "The Only Choice".
Don't let them get to you. I was here the first time she tried to be President and she's behaving even more shameless than before.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)It appears to be a lack of boundaries where any criticism of Hillary is perceived as an attack against themselves personally.
Conservative Victim Ethos?
polichick
(37,152 posts)who steals whatever positions she needs to advance her power agenda.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)have never seen 'authentic' before. Thus, they do not recognize it.
He must be an egotistical, selfish liar like all the rest. He just MUST be!
polichick
(37,152 posts)They speak of it only in political terms, the way the Clintons would see it.
choie
(4,107 posts)Without any competition - boy were they wrong!!!!
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)The Coronation has been delayed.
choie
(4,107 posts)I'm finally a thread winner!! Thanks, Depaysement!
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)ladyVet
(1,587 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)Now that it is actually known that Sanders met the Pope! All evidence indicates these sentiments have to do with jealousy, in my opinion. It is disgraceful.
CountAllVotes
(20,868 posts)It's that ugly green eyed monster that will be the death knell of this whole game.
THE SIN OF JEALOUSY. Jealousy is listed by the apostle Paul as a work of the flesh in Galatians 5:20, and will keep one from entering into heaven (Gal 5:21).
Whipsee diddledee dandy dee. Oh!
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)and it doesn't look good for them. She won't get enough delegates to win it outright and the results of the good old FBI investigation loom on the horizon. It's getting closer every day and there is a lot of angst in the air.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)Bring all the data, it's obvious who should be nominated and who should be running against the republican opponent.
Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)continue to stubbornly support her in the FACE of the polls showing the GOP will destroy her then the party is over for the establishment D's. Fractured? Nope, crushed beyond all repair.
surrealAmerican
(11,359 posts)1. The ability to function on the world stage
2. The ability to appeal to Christians
They very badly want Bernie to fail at these two points.