Say it ain't so Hartmann.

[Else You Are Mad]

Did anyone listening to Hartmann right now die a little inside after the first two segments?

[Equinox Moon]

1. Yes, it was too soon for his statements

Bernie supporters are not ready for Thom's plan.

[Else You Are Mad]

2. That's not what I was implying.

In a roundabout way, he agreed with the Hillary talking point that Sanders was being to harsh on Hillary. I agree with what he is saying, but he didn't have to agree with Hillary. Even the caller was taken aback and had a wtf moment.

[grasswire]

3. so tell him

that kind of talk does NO GOOD when the FBI comes 'round.

[Peregrine Took]

4. Hartmann? Never heard of him.

Now do you get the difference between a lib'rul and a progressive?

When the going gets tough the libs run home to mama DNC.

[Else You Are Mad]

5. Hartmann had Sanders on his radio show...

Nearly every Friday for 10 years. I would consider him a good progressive. Which is why I am confused and disheartened.

[islandmkl]

6. Thom has continually promoted that he thinks Hillary has 'actually moved to the left

on many things because of Bernie..." and that she has seen the light so to speak...and that he trusts her to have changed somewhat and, as the astute politician that she is, will feel which way the wind is blowing and will adopt more leftist aspects to her political programs...

when he goes into that mode, he sounds like he wants the 'hopeful' to replace the 'known history'...Hillary is the perfect political chameleon-like leopard: she can change her spots to fit whatever environmental narrative she needs to address...but inside she is the same person whose history, all of it, good and bad, has a certain consistency that neither she, nor anyone else, can or SHOULD deny..

unless, that is, they just refuse to acknowledge or address ALL of the aspects of her political career...

Hillary is Hillary...and any pressure from Bernie, or anyone else for that matter, will change her not one whit...

[All in it together]

11. Yes thanks, you said it better.

Thom wants to bring the party together, no, the primary isn't over. She hasn't earned my vote and going negative on Bernie isn't helping. I would rather have a clean campaign, I'm not sure she can do that.

[farleftlib]

15. Oh man

He must be an eternal optimist to think that. Hillary will say and do whatever is
necessary to win and then watch out. She took Wall St's money and that's whom
she will serve in office. You can bank on it!

[Else You Are Mad]

16. You do realize...

Hillary once told nasdaq to cut it out during the financial crash. So she obviously isn't in the pockets of wall Street.

[farleftlib]

17. Of course

and she's still looking for those transcripts and will release them any minute now.

[Else You Are Mad]

18. It is unfair to ask Hillary

To release the transcripts of her Goldman Sachs speeches until every person running for school board releases the transcripts of their Goldman Sachs speeches. Stop being sexist.

[Baobab]

24. when it coes to trade deals Hillary may have zero ability to change a deal signed way back in 1994

Even if it results in economic disaster for (US) working people.

I think it was assumed when the 90s deals were entered into that that would happen, but that the workers might just get other jobs, perhaps at a lower wage..

[Enthusiast]

34. Plus one for truth!

[JDPriestly]

29. You got it. The eternal optimist. I am not.

[Enthusiast]

33. Plus one for truth!

[Bjornsdotter]

19. "Laying back and thinking of England"

...isn't going to do jack except get us screwed.

Sorry, not with Thom on this one. I'm joining http://www.wolf-pac.com/. I'm working for change one way or another.

[Rebkeh]

20. She has moved to the left

Too bad she wouldn't stay there. I don't know why knowledgable people believe she would, it boggles my mind. Thom should know better than expect she would stay true to her word. Head scratcher, that one.

She'd be a formidable fighter for the people if she was on the side of the people. I respect she's a staunch liberal and a fighter for social issues (she actually is) but it appears she's much like the libertarians in that she cares about the correct values as long as they benefit her.

She politiks, she doesn't lead. She's good at the game, but it's the game that is the problem to begin with. We want to change it and why would we expect anyone to change something they are invested in keeping precisely the way it is.

But, maybe this is what it will take to make people see it.

Plus, if you want less war .... she's a terrible choice for president. Absolutely awful.


Afterthought: all that said, I understand that Thom has to make a business decision at every turn, this is a tough primary for a lot of people.

[Bjornsdotter]

23. Her move to the left looks a lot like this

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[Baobab]

25. Both Hillary and Obama do a lot of messaging to the wealthy that goes over the heads of most people

basically they say to the wealthy to ignore the other stuff they say because its just because of politics.

[MoonchildCA]

22. Well, her rhetoric has changed to the left.

She tries to sound more like Bernie on a few issues. I'm not so sure about anything else.

[DI Freighter Watcher]

32. Shapeshifting

Someone called her a shapeshifter, seems appropriate. As far as Hartmann is concerned I feel his party loyalty has blinded him to truth.

[All in it together]

7. Thom trusts that Hillary will listen to us after becoming a multimillionaire with all the donations

And payments for speeches. She has friends and advisors that are RW, warmongers and smear mongers.

I don't trust her that much.

[Else You Are Mad]

9. I disagree.

He usually tried to keep it Democratic neutral for important reasons. But he is throwing Sanders under the bus today.

[haikugal]

28. If that's true then Thom is naive, or worse.

[Enthusiast]

35. I agree. Thom isn't "always" right. He is fallible.

[haikugal]

37. .

Hi guy!!

[Dont call me Shirley]

38. That was priceless...

Very disappointing the okay, Thom. I may have to turn you off now!

[Jennylynn]

8. All callers so far are Bernies

Yea!

[Else You Are Mad]

10. Haha, I just texted my brother the same exact thing.

He is being called out by everyone.

[Jennylynn]

12. Jinx😊

I seriously have no idea how he lost NY! SO many people! smh

[Capt.Rocky300]

13. I die a little almost every time I listen to him.....

My wife loves the guy so that's why we listen to him. I find him depressing and at times very misinformed. The only thing I liked was Brunch with Bernie.

His self-appointed job as expert on everything is total bull. He's wrong about a lot things. I've cringed at some of the misinformation about science or technical subjects.

Bottom line, take anything he says with a grain of salt.

[Else You Are Mad]

14. He is fairly knowledgeable.

But yesterday when he had 2 hours of anti vaxers it kind of made me lose a lot of respect for him.

[Treleana]

30. Same here.

My husband is a 4th year medical student, graduating with an MD next month, and he was cringing at some of the things they were saying. The producer especially was using non-medical and scientific terms to describe the cases in order to put them into perspective, there was no statistical analysis. The discredited gastroenterologist was the only "expert" offering a medical opinion. Then Thom suggested that acupuncture and chiropractic treatments for autism may be effective. It was practically the whole show. I thought he would have focused a little more on the huge primary that same day instead.

[Else You Are Mad]

31. What really bothered me...

Was when the philosophy of science professor caller called in to say what they were talking about was seriously dangerous incorrect, and, instead of agreeing, Thom obnoxiously asked if the caller was a scientist.

Yesterday was the most important primary in my life time but Thom talked about how Pharma shills are the reason we have the immunization schedule and it is nefarious for some reason. I was waiting for Jenny McCarthy to join in the conversation.



Also, congratulations on your husband graduating med school!

[Stardust]

21. I totally agree. There's just something about Thom that pegs my bullshit meter. He's quite often

just wrong on his "facts" and has been an embarrassment when he appears on other shows like a Real Time. Brunch with Bernie is what kept me coming back, but it seems like all those hours with Bernie one-on-one taught him little. And his need to appease right-wing callers is disingenuous. People have been saying on this board that he appears to be leaning Hillary for a while now. I couldn't believe it, but now I do.

[Else You Are Mad]

26. Thom is right on the facts much more often than most other media person. nt

[MuseRider]

27. Too bad.

Maybe he is just feeling low right now? I know what perks me up when I feel that way. Maybe it will help. One word, one name....Kissinger. There, I am right back in the game.

[Dont call me Shirley]

36. So because Grover Norquist Pledge now Hilary won't be "allowed" to take a pledge to get Bernie

supporters vote in the GE?!

That one took the cake Thom! A Frank Luntz talking point?! Really?!

[Iwillnevergiveup]

39. I missed this Hartmann segment

but long ago I was thinking he should step aside, write some more books and let John Nichols take over his spot.

[Else You Are Mad]

40. I disagree.

He is one of the best radio hosts of all time.

[HereSince1628]

41. Hartmann's not even internally consistent. He chastises people telling them to get involved

What the hell does he think Bernie state convention delegates are doing? They are involved. And if Sanders drops out if everyone folds up their tents and stays home state parties will not be forced to feel the Bern at their conventions.

Shit really does happen at state conventions, it may vary from state to state, but many of Bernies revolutionaries have credentials and can influence what goes on.

This campaign can be a beachhead, the leading edge of a much larger, longer lasting push for political change.

Hartmann seems to miss that point with his incessant myopia. Look at him, please. He can't even think past his next paycheck for hawking gold to save us from the 2016 apocalyptic crash he predicts in his book. This guy is a guru? No he's the political equivalent of a color commentator on a sportscast.