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FourScore

(9,704 posts)
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 05:12 PM Apr 2016

Dear Bernie, please read this.

Last edited Sun Apr 24, 2016, 06:17 PM - Edit history (2)

Dear Bernie,

Let me begin by saying that I have been one of the 3% who has supported you from the beginning of your campaign. Although I have never lived in Vermont, I have watched you for years -- since the lead-up to the Iraq War, to be exact. Anytime I saw you speak on the floor of the House or Senate, or during television interviews, I have agreed with you 100%. There has never been a time I haven't. I knew if you entered the presidential race, your popularity would grow exponentially. We, the liberal base, have yearned for you. We had grown complacent with our situation in this country of having no representation because...what could we do? No one was advocating for the things that we care about: universal health care, equal pay for equal work, affordable higher education, and so much more.

Unfortunately, there is one other thing NO politician wants to advocate for, sadly, even you - our vote. The most precious thing of all. We all know the danger of electronic voting. If you don't know by now (and I think you do) then you should watch this excerpt from the HBO documentary Hacking Democracy:



It is the most powerful excerpt of the movie as it shows how easily an electronic vote can be altered, and it has a poignant moment when a woman sobs as she realizes our democracy is nothing but a farce. One should note that the method being implemented in this segment of the film is only one way to steal an election. There are numerous other ways. Some machines can be remotely hacked. Another method: since the vote totals are collected on Windows software, a hacker need only switch the totals and exit without a trace. Of course purging voter rolls and switching party affiliations also works wonders for those who cheat.

I'm sure by now, your handlers have seen the recent film regarding the near 20% discrepancy between the hand-counted ballots and the machine total of a Chicago precinct. Of course, the error is in Clinton's favor. This hand count was perpetuated by a legally mandated 5% routine check - just to make sure the machine was functioning properly. So what do you think the election board did to the machines that were obviously so off? Nothing. They merely changed the hand count totals to match the machine count and called it a day! You can witness it for yourself in the video below. I know you're busy, so it really gets interesting at the 24 minute mark.



Did you know that in one precinct the actual tally was 56.7% in your favor, but after the machine count you lost with only 47.5% of the vote? You have only 10 days from the time of the machine check to challenge the results. This test was performed days ago. You're running out the clock.

Of course we all witnessed the debacle of AZ and NY. I'll say no more about that, but let me ask you this, Bernie - Don't you care? Please indicate to us that you care. I have read it is political suicide to accuse an opponent of voter fraud. But is it Hillary Clinton? I think not. I think she has a campaign to run and is quite busy. I don't believe for a second that she is out there hacking elections and purging voters. But someone is.

Allow me to introduce you to Andres Sepulveda, Political Hacker. Perhaps you can read his story while sitting on a plane. In light of a Hillary Super PAC now admittedly injecting one million dollars on social media trolls, it's easy to see how a man like Sepulveda could be easily be hired in the United States. Even Sepulveda says he is 100% certain that the US elections are being hacked.

And finally, the exit polls - once the gold standard of election integrity - have become a sad joke. 44% discrepancy between the exit polls and the end result of the AZ election!!! 12% in NY!!! These outcomes always favor Hillary. Please peruse this spreadsheet provided by Richard Charnin for a quick overview:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sGxtIofohrj3POpwq-85Id2_fYKgvgoWbPZacZw0XlY/edit?pref=2&pli=1#gid=1476097125

The media admits that they take the raw exit poll data and "weight" them - which means they just adjust them to match the final vote - thus making them utterly useless.

Clearly, the reason you're winning caucuses is not because of race, but because the results can't be manipulated so easily. Throughout this election, as I have watched the improbable become unquestionably accepted as final truth, I have fantasized of Anonymous swooping in and blowing the whole thing up. I wouldn't want them to rig it in your favor because that is not how you should win, but I have wished that they would make the outcome so ridiculous that it would be obvious that our elections are too insecure to trust. I want them to FORCE the conversation in the media. Alas, it is just a fantasy.

Honestly? I think you know all about the election fraud in this country. Poor voters aren't the real problem here, and you know it. That's why you looked silly saying it. So, I can't help but wonder...since you are going to (unfairly) lose this primary anyway, why don't you take on the biggest and most important fight of this election? The fight for our democracy!!! At least do some machine audits. PLEASE!!! The mandatory Chicago audit has given you an opening. You can do it without doing yourself any political harm. It could open the doors to question other areas!! Please, Bernie!! Nothing else matters right now.

We are so demoralized. We canvass and call and vote and cheer and we have your back. Now, you must have ours. Everyone I know sees the election being stolen. You must take this on. Please.

Your biggest fan,

FourScore




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Dear Bernie, please read this. (Original Post) FourScore Apr 2016 OP
🔥K&R‼️ Stardust Apr 2016 #1
k/r with love for Bernie. 840high Apr 2016 #2
Right on! Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #3
Take a look at this- Gregorian Apr 2016 #4
I wonder if it will change anything. n/t FourScore Apr 2016 #20
K & R just do it Vincardog Apr 2016 #5
I agree 100% Time for change Apr 2016 #6
K&R n/t deepestblue Apr 2016 #7
I'm not demoralized - I am fighting harder than ever TBF Apr 2016 #8
Good for you! I am, too. I am tired of demoralizing crap. merrily Apr 2016 #14
Challenge the results in Illinois.! lostnfound Apr 2016 #9
Excellent compilation. bvar22 Apr 2016 #10
The date on that election board meeting was 4-5-2016.. Ten days have passed. lostnfound Apr 2016 #11
That is really unfortunate. I thought it was much sooner than that. FourScore Apr 2016 #12
If you actually want to get a message to Sanders, contacting his campaign is much more likely merrily Apr 2016 #13
Using a multi-pronged approach. n/t FourScore Apr 2016 #15
Good for you! merrily Apr 2016 #18
FRUSTRATED that the Bernie Sanders campaign hasn't gone public about election fraud? Chezboo Apr 2016 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj Apr 2016 #17
Amen!! Amen!! Stevepol Apr 2016 #19
It's a tough nut to crack RobertEarl Apr 2016 #21
This sounds so well-reasoned. It's so sad. n/t FourScore Apr 2016 #22
It's a bummer RobertEarl Apr 2016 #23

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
4. Take a look at this-
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 05:35 PM
Apr 2016
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/12511824087

It's two dedicated election integrity activists. Essentially, tomorrow morning (after 12 years of compiling evidence) a case is going to court--I'm forgetting the details. They are saying that one of their goals is a revote in Arizona. But it's much bigger. They have been into the machines, and are verifying what we thought. It's really damning stuff. She had another activist on recently who was explaining the absurd level of probability of several of Hillary's "wins". Like a trillion to one. I think things are heating up.

We're totally on the same page.

TBF

(31,990 posts)
8. I'm not demoralized - I am fighting harder than ever
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 06:20 PM
Apr 2016

We have a lot of states coming up with a lot of delegates.

Doing machine audits cannot and should not distract Bernie. If members of his team can do some of that fine, but getting lost in the minutia is just another way to try to get him off track.

I'm not falling for it and neither should any other supporters of Bernie.

FourScore

(9,704 posts)
12. That is really unfortunate. I thought it was much sooner than that.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 06:36 PM
Apr 2016

I wonder if there is any other redress he has regarding it.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
13. If you actually want to get a message to Sanders, contacting his campaign is much more likely
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 06:55 PM
Apr 2016

way to do that than posting an "open letter" on DU.

Chezboo

(230 posts)
16. FRUSTRATED that the Bernie Sanders campaign hasn't gone public about election fraud?
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 07:22 PM
Apr 2016

Interesting thread going at Bernie Sanders Activists fb starting with this post:

Mike Klingler
April 22 at 3:42pm · Portland, OR
FRUSTRATED that the Bernie Sanders campaign hasn't gone public about election fraud? I've been in communication with someone on their team about this. I am pretty certain that for legal reasons and PR impact they are not making a statement about any of this right now because they are collecting evidence and building a case. They can't go throwing around accusations they have no evidence for. And they don't want this to be the 'story' until they have enough to back it up and take it home. If they released this too early the media would bury it as a 'false accusation' and kill the truth of it, as they do so well. This may be the ace up their sleeve and could make all the difference if released at just the right time with sufficient evidence. We must trust them.
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Mike Klingler Yah, that's what makes this tough. Knowing what they can prove and what happened but that they can't prove, and what is exaggerated (as there is sooo much corruption going on here its' easy to get paranoid). They must sort it out and lay down a strong case for only what they can prove. Otherwise, true or not, the media will blow it up. My sense is they have a legal team that's on it.
Like · Reply · 7 · April 22 at 4:01pm
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Mike Klingler It's (AZ) in the mix - collecting information and considering if they should include it based on evidence of other infractions. But NY was even more deliberate, wide spread and corrupt. Clintons' team joined the lawsuit on Arizona to make it appear they are not in on it... amazing what they'll do to cover their tracks. NY was wide spread and I think is Clinton's greatest vulnerability now.
Like · Reply · 6 · April 22 at 3:52pm
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Barbara A. Manginelli Actually, I've thought this all along. You have to build a case. And there is a case open about the initial security breach. then BOOM! Discretion is the greater part of valor.
Like · Reply · 11 · April 22 at 4:07pm

Mike Klingler exactly. It explains why they never say much about their path to victory. They are not ready to say, "we're going to show they are criminals." LOL
Like · Reply · 3 · April 22 at 4:13pm
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Mike Klingler I think a lot of people are upset right now and not phone banking or talking up Bernie because they don't know why he is not being vocal about this election fraud. Please share this post so that more begin to understand he can't just spew out about it til the evidence is collected and it's all organized! We must keep fighting on! Share!
Like · Reply · 19 · April 22 at 5:02pm
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Mike Klingler Understand, too, everyone, that he may be able to use evidence as leverage within the democratic leadership ranks... to sway them over to our side to vote Bernie (even the corrupt ones that wouldn't move otherwise). The entire system is so corrupt he will need all the leverage he can get. If he does come out truly swinging and has evidence to back corruption up in a big way, it would destroy the democratic party. He may not be addressing any of what they know publicly so they can try to use it as leverage to move the super delegates over to him. Again, he is on a playing field most here will never possibly be able to comprehend. The manipulation and dirty corruption is deep up there. He is truly our hero and is not corrupt. We must trust him.
Like · Reply · 12 · April 22 at 5:32pm
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Mike Klingler If they have evidence of corruption on the scale we all suspect is there, it would be catastrophic for the democratic party. It would also be great leverage to sway super delegates who need a lot of reasons to take a pay cut and have less power from their corporate ties.
Like · Reply · 3 · April 22 at 5:37pm
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Mike Klingler Guys, we need to carry him to July. The more time and resources they have the more they can expose all this and use it to try to shift the party to the good side of the force. We must continue to donate, phone bank and take other positive actions. And we must keep inspiring others to do the same! He doesn't need to win by pledged delegates. He just needs to win enough to make it to July to make his case. Let's get them there by winning as many as we possibly can. NEVER give up on Bernie. EVER.
Like · Reply · 33 · April 22 at 5:44pm


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Response to Chezboo (Reply #16)

Stevepol

(4,234 posts)
19. Amen!! Amen!!
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:49 PM
Apr 2016

The voting machines need to be outlawed as they are now in Germany, and for very good reason. If the average voter cannot understand how the machines can be verified, they won't believe in democracy. If they don't believe in democracy, the jig is up I'm afraid, the whole 200-year-old experiment is over.

And people who would suppress the vote in any number of ways are criminals! How can you in effect deny people the right to vote and not be prosecuted for it?? Where is the ACLU on this issue of voter suppression??

If we expect to remain a democracy, we MUST do everything in our power to protect the vote and make it easier for people, ALL PEOPLE, to vote!

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
21. It's a tough nut to crack
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 02:00 PM
Apr 2016

I've been at it for over 14 years.

8 years ago, after some progress, and after burning thru a lot of political capital to get paper ballots, was gobsmacked to witness an audit of the 2008 primary which showed a 4% discrepancy, which was then ignored totally by election officials. 4% is enough to change results!!

So, then, Obama got elected and the e-vote was said to not be an issue because; how could Obama get elected if e-vote problems were true?? Well, he got elected because the turnout was so hugh that even after the 4% discrepancies across the board, Obama overcame.

The main problem we face is the utter disregard by officials and followed by candidates' disregard for the foundation of the e-vote, due in part that admitting the e-vote can alter elections calls in to question their whole officialdom and reason for being and how they got elected.

Bernie can not, I repeat, can not overcome this situation from the position he is now in. Only by a mass uprising of the People can this be beaten back. All Bernie can do at this time is be a witness. Making this a campaign issue will detract from his campaign and cause all the PTB to turn against him even harder than they presently are.

Once elected, Bernie can have a large impact on the e-vote.

I now regard the e-vote to be established mechanism, so the only way forward is to have the e-vote systems be totally verified and of unquestionable capabilities. Like e-banking is.

Until then all any of us can do is keep complaining, get Bernie elected and be ready a year from now to make the e-vote systems be as clean and accurate as the e-banking systems are.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
23. It's a bummer
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 02:43 PM
Apr 2016

Pretty much made me leave politics (but not DU).

Then came Bernie and I said, ok, maybe he can make change happen. He has, so here we are.

What is the real bummer is that so few are willing to confront the idea of stolen elections.

Thanks to you, and others on DU as evidenced by the recent postings, there is hope we can get our democracy back.

Don't give up. Like I said, I did help get some return to accuracy and my little burg did count Bernie as the winner recently. It can be done but has to be done starting locally. And then up to state level. Of course when Bernie gets elected, it will become, finally, a federal case.

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