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mother earth

(6,002 posts)
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 02:43 PM Jul 2015

You think you love Bernie Sanders, now....THIS is the best yet, no one is going to take this stance

and that is exactly why this Sanderstorm is only beginning!

Many people want to know more about Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders' foreign policy agenda. Yes, they say, we like what Sanders is saying about reducing extreme inequality, about reducing the political power of the billionaire class. But what about U.S. foreign policy? Yes, they say, Bernie voted no on the Iraq war; yes, they acknowledge, Sanders supports the Iran deal. But we're spending more than half of our federal income tax dollars on the Pentagon's empire, money we should be spending on rebuilding our nation's domestic infrastructure. "A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death," Dr. King said. What's Bernie going to do about that?

I'm all for pushing Bernie to talk more about downsizing the Pentagon to be an institution focused on actually defending the United States, as opposed to running around the world overthrowing other people's governments -- a Pentagon that "goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy," as President John Quincy Adams put it.

But we should also take advantage of the new opportunity that now presents itself; it's not only with bombs that U.S. foreign policy kills and injures innocent civilians.

We should recognize and publicize the fact that Bernie Sanders is the only presidential candidate who is talking about what the IMF is doing to Greece, the only presidential candidate who has a track record of opposing the IMF, the only presidential candidate who, if elected, is likely to do anything to end the economic violence of the IMF.


For more of this excellent article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-naiman/bernie-sanders-will-end-the-imfs-economic-violence-in-greece-and-africa_b_7723284.html
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You think you love Bernie Sanders, now....THIS is the best yet, no one is going to take this stance (Original Post) mother earth Jul 2015 OP
We all have to work together azmom Jul 2015 #1
Did you read this article, azmom? It is beyond what he said about the banks. I have no doubt about mother earth Jul 2015 #2
The IMF has caused so much misery azmom Jul 2015 #3
All wars are bankers' wars. FlatBaroque Jul 2015 #4
Looked it up and found this BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #6
WHat a great video FlatBaroque Jul 2015 #15
Should be an OP BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #19
I believe FlatBaroque Jul 2015 #21
Never too much truth BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #31
Do post it v/mm or Economy, or both. TY mother earth Jul 2015 #46
As is "vipers and thieves." hifiguy Jul 2015 #25
Jackson didn't like Nicholas Biddle's "vipers and thieves" Art_from_Ark Jul 2015 #61
What is the title of the video? Links don't work well as they direct my device to a Stardust Jul 2015 #57
Title: All Wars are Bankers' Wars FlatBaroque Jul 2015 #59
That was one of the best explanations of why the fed WDIM Jul 2015 #82
Private central banks are the core of our economic ills. FlatBaroque Jul 2015 #86
"All Wars Are Bankers Wars" saidsimplesimon Jul 2015 #74
Can't dispute but feel like this is very simplistic erronis Jul 2015 #79
He lost me 6 minutes in when he said the "global warming cult" is lying about the climate arcane1 Jul 2015 #80
I don't know who this guy is BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #81
Indeed! A lot of kooky people share our distrust of the system. arcane1 Jul 2015 #83
Similar in context....... Capt.Rocky300 Jul 2015 #11
Yup FlatBaroque Jul 2015 #22
Because we can't stop it. We have only an illusion of a democracy. We are allowed to vote rhett o rick Jul 2015 #45
We can stop it, but it's going to take this wave that's coming & it IS coming. mother earth Jul 2015 #48
I like your enthusiasm. I agree the movement is just beginning. rhett o rick Jul 2015 #52
I love yours too, rick. There's now a reason to be enthusiastic, this is our candidate, and it is mother earth Jul 2015 #63
The inevitability of President Sanders Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #67
... mother earth Jul 2015 #69
Short answer... pocoloco Jul 2015 #58
Yep AikidoSoul Jul 2015 #26
Rule of Acquisition 34: AngryDem001 Jul 2015 #36
It needs to be said more often. That's fer damned sure. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #37
War is a racket............ mrmpa Jul 2015 #40
mother earth lsufan59 Jul 2015 #41
Who knew that such men with integrity still existed? I sure as hell, even as one of his supporters, mother earth Jul 2015 #47
His positions are what we have all been waiting for. This is the time to pull out the stops. newthinking Jul 2015 #20
Hell, yeah. There's a Sanderstorm coming, and the stage is being set. mother earth Jul 2015 #49
I love this but remember the negative from federal government yeoman6987 Jul 2015 #42
I won't go to Huffpo... druidity33 Jul 2015 #5
Break the rule, it is so worth it. Please, this is unprecedented, no one is going to take this mother earth Jul 2015 #8
Read the author's post at Daily Kos, so you don't have to go to Huff Post. Link. madfloridian Jul 2015 #12
On a side note: I love your Bearnie sig image! n/t Beartracks Jul 2015 #13
Thanks. I was going to quote that. Great article. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #29
TY, Madfloridian, I agree, I do ck HuffPo, but I'm glad you found this to add here. mother earth Jul 2015 #50
In summary, in another thread, I believe a poster stated Ilsa Jul 2015 #62
Bernie needs security! BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #7
Seriously. He's a people's champion & he truly does need security. He really is our FDR. We so mother earth Jul 2015 #9
Yes, I'm getting very scared BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #10
Those are very good points and ideas. Bernie has done much for Vets on the Hill, in Vermont appalachiablue Jul 2015 #33
"It's a sad thing when truth is dangerous..." AikidoSoul Jul 2015 #32
He will get security when he gets the nomination yeoman6987 Jul 2015 #44
He needs it now, not later. nt mother earth Jul 2015 #51
He has to pay for it then himself yeoman6987 Jul 2015 #53
That would be way to late. Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #68
Then unfortunately he will have to get private security yeoman6987 Jul 2015 #75
I didn't say we should provide security to all Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #76
Well unless they get proof that he is targeted yeoman6987 Jul 2015 #77
Hell yes..... daleanime Jul 2015 #14
Indeed. I have been worrying about this myself. hifiguy Jul 2015 #24
Oh shit, now you got me paranoid BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #34
My friend described it this way: hifiguy Jul 2015 #35
I agree, bvar22 Jul 2015 #28
You said it! Plucketeer Jul 2015 #39
K&R Cleita Jul 2015 #16
So, I guess Bernie won't be getting a lot of Goldman Sachs money... jalan48 Jul 2015 #17
No love lost - Bernie doesn't want GS money in the first place eom LiberalElite Jul 2015 #18
NO kidding, you are little behind on what Sanders is all about, aren't ya? mother earth Jul 2015 #64
Sorry-I was being sarcastic. jalan48 Jul 2015 #70
Me too. mother earth Jul 2015 #72
Thanks! jalan48 Jul 2015 #73
Sanderstorm! MoreGOPoop Jul 2015 #23
I recommend that all DUers read the full artricle. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #27
It really is quite important. nt mother earth Jul 2015 #54
Been watching the Greek situation closely...Yannis is calling it Terrorism..people are terrified of libdem4life Jul 2015 #30
I asked someone from Greece for her take on the situation, she was too afraid to talk about it. mother earth Jul 2015 #55
Germany saidsimplesimon Jul 2015 #78
IMO, Capitalism is taking down itself. Plato says the next evolution is Tyranny. libdem4life Jul 2015 #85
This nation has always had a hidden dark side. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #38
Huge K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jul 2015 #43
... mother earth Jul 2015 #71
Bernie was only 20 in 1961, but I swear he's one of the only ones who heard Ike, and understood . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #56
Which is why, even true conservative GOP'ers of Eisenhower's ilk get it, & he is drawing from that mother earth Jul 2015 #65
United we stand!!! azmom Jul 2015 #84
+ 1000 Well Put !!!!!! orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #89
TY for bringing Eisenhower's words into this, they are potent & always have been, esp. given the mother earth Jul 2015 #91
I believe RFK would have cured what has plagued us for the last 45 yrs . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #92
I cry tears of joy for the privilage of supporting this man. Paka Jul 2015 #60
It is so TIME!!! It is an absolute joy. mother earth Jul 2015 #66
Yes! I am loving every word of it. May he carry it out, one way or the other. n/t Betty Karlson Jul 2015 #87
Thanks, mother earth merrily Jul 2015 #88
... mother earth Jul 2015 #90

azmom

(5,208 posts)
1. We all have to work together
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 02:47 PM
Jul 2015

To get this man in the White House. Love it when he stated ,if a bank is too big to fail, it is too big to exist.

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
2. Did you read this article, azmom? It is beyond what he said about the banks. I have no doubt about
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 02:58 PM
Jul 2015

our Bernie Sanders. He is the next FDR. There is NO DOUBT.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
61. Jackson didn't like Nicholas Biddle's "vipers and thieves"
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 04:44 AM
Jul 2015

but he had no problem diverting US funds to the "vipers and thieves" running his "pet banks"

Stardust

(3,894 posts)
57. What is the title of the video? Links don't work well as they direct my device to a
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 08:53 PM
Jul 2015

version of YouTube that my device no longer supports. But when I enter the link into the correct version, I get all kinds of hits but am not sure which one you are referring to.

TIA

WDIM

(1,662 posts)
82. That was one of the best explanations of why the fed
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 01:57 PM
Jul 2015

Should be shut done! We allow the oligarchs to skim off the wealth of this nation. Everybody should see this video.

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
86. Private central banks are the core of our economic ills.
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 02:38 PM
Jul 2015

The Bank of International Settlements is at the heart of their system.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
74. "All Wars Are Bankers Wars"
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 01:23 PM
Jul 2015

This is a great video, thank you for posting the link. Of course, trust but verify applies.

I hope everyone takes the time to view the video and share comments, including any dispute of the facts as presented.

erronis

(15,170 posts)
79. Can't dispute but feel like this is very simplistic
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 01:51 PM
Jul 2015

Obviously Michael Rivero (producer/etc.) had a message to state about the monied caste being in control of almost all aspects of current civilization. It is a message that resonates with me and probably many/most of the readers.

I also think that this ignores plenty of other reasons for people to go to war (ethnic, religious, tribal), to lust after others land or goods. If I said that it ignores the megalomaniacs (Hitler, Stalin, Saddam, Alexander, Caesar) would I just be told that these individuals were front-men for the banksters?

This is also an external interpretation rather than an in-depth analysis of cause and effect without documentation to back up the extrapolations.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
80. He lost me 6 minutes in when he said the "global warming cult" is lying about the climate
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 01:51 PM
Jul 2015

Kinda hard to take anything he says seriously after that

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
81. I don't know who this guy is
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 01:56 PM
Jul 2015

I just linked to the video. It's strange how it almost always happens that someone starts out good but then veers off into strange territory. Just shows how pervasive and effective propaganda is. We should be ever vigilant.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
45. Because we can't stop it. We have only an illusion of a democracy. We are allowed to vote
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 08:02 PM
Jul 2015

even though the elections are all rigged from here to September. Our representatives actually represent corporations. We the people tried and tried to stop the Vietnam War and finally managed to, only after some students at Kent State gave their lives. But bing-bang we go to war in Iraq like we forgot about Vietnam. So Democrats even joined the lying Bush and Cheney in order to kill innocent Iraqi's for the war profits.

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
48. We can stop it, but it's going to take this wave that's coming & it IS coming.
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 08:29 PM
Jul 2015

We are in the early stages, some haven't jumped in the race yet, there is no inevitable queen. You know what's inevitable? That the momentum is taking hold and enough, is being dammit, ENOUGH! Wait when TPP is unleashed as a campaign issue, people are now only beginning to wake up to what it actually is and that its coming...or is it? It is no done deal, just like the coronation, TSHTF and business as usual is no more.

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
47. Who knew that such men with integrity still existed? I sure as hell, even as one of his supporters,
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 08:24 PM
Jul 2015

did not grasp the full measure of this man's scope of experience, truth, all of it. There really is no equal measure to Bernie Sanders in this race, no man, no woman, no one is his equal when it comes to being the real deal. That's why he is drawing out everyone the disillusioned, the disenfranchised, independents, progressives, and hell yeah, even old school conservatives, he is reaching across the spectrum like no other.

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
49. Hell, yeah. There's a Sanderstorm coming, and the stage is being set.
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 08:30 PM
Jul 2015


It's going to take all of us not buying into the MSM BS, WE frame this election. The time is NOW.
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
42. I love this but remember the negative from federal government
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 07:45 PM
Jul 2015

when the Sequester was implemented and that was a very small cut to annual increases. It was not just Pentagon complaining. I think it has gone away now. It will take a lot of fortitude to cut a huge part of the DOD and many federal workers are Democratic voters as proven by northern Virginia. I like it but we need to really think it out on what to cut.

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
8. Break the rule, it is so worth it. Please, this is unprecedented, no one is going to take this
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 03:23 PM
Jul 2015

stance. This seals the deal for me. It is so early!

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
12. Read the author's post at Daily Kos, so you don't have to go to Huff Post. Link.
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 03:54 PM
Jul 2015
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/03/1398945/-Bernie-Sanders-Will-End-the-IMF-s-Economic-Violence-in-Greece-and-Africa

The IMF is not "over there." The IMF is headquartered in Washington, physically, politically and financially. A progressive economist once reported that he was at a seminar at the IMF, where a senior IMF official was indignant that people were saying that IMF is unaccountable. The IMF official demanded to know: why do people always accuse us of being unaccountable? We never do anything without checking with the U.S. Treasury Department!

Until now, unfortunately, Congressional Democrats have been largely content to let Treasury to run the show at the IMF without the input of real Democrats.


The IMF is now doing to Greece what the IMF has been doing to Africa since the 1980s and what the IMF did to South America until the progressive governments there kicked the IMF out. The IMF is a member of the "troika" of official creditors that have been making extreme austerity demands on the Greek government and are now openly demanding "regime change" in Greece before there can be any deal that ends the crisis in Greece that the troika has imposed.

(Some people complain that we shouldn't blame the IMF for what is being done to Greece; they say that some other institution or actor is more responsible. These people want us to play "accountability whack-a-mole" with the institutions. We need to hold the institutions "jointly and severally liable"; and the IMF is the bad actor in the troika for whom Americans have the most responsibility.)

Bernie Sanders is the only presidential candidate who is speaking out about this. In Congress, it's the progressive Democrats - including Sanders - who are speaking out about this.


Frankly there's a lot of good stuff at Huff Post.

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
62. In summary, in another thread, I believe a poster stated
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 07:58 AM
Jul 2015

That the IMF uses Disaster Capitalism to create the problems and ultimately steal assets.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
7. Bernie needs security!
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 03:20 PM
Jul 2015

I am NOT kidding. He is talking some dangerous stuff. If he was still fringe, they would not bother. But I'm getting kind of nervous for him.

I hope he starts talking about the post office banking. That is another thing I think people would really go for. Get Warren to come to his events and talk about it. Oh yeah.

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
9. Seriously. He's a people's champion & he truly does need security. He really is our FDR. We so
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 03:26 PM
Jul 2015

need this man, that was my first reaction too. It's a sad thing when truth is dangerous, it tells you where we are headed and what we are on the precipice of.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
10. Yes, I'm getting very scared
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 03:30 PM
Jul 2015

Like Bobby Kennedy scared. Maybe I'm paranoid but I don't believe for a minute that those greedy bastards are going to release trillions of dollars from their pockets and that is exactly what a Bernie presidency means.

We should make a Bernie security gofundme page. Or maybe some of his vet supporters who work security now can be called upon to help at his appearances. If anybody knows how to suggest that, that would be a good idea. I am 100% positive that Bernie would reject that idea. And I'm sure, in the back of his mind, he has weighed the possibilities. HRC already has secret service. Bernie should too, especially because of our white terrorists.

appalachiablue

(41,102 posts)
33. Those are very good points and ideas. Bernie has done much for Vets on the Hill, in Vermont
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 05:29 PM
Jul 2015

and from speaking tours in S.C. and the South last year I believe. Perhaps a special post about the need for this and people's concern could be placed in the BS Group, to appeal to Vets, security and law enforcement people and others who have knowledge of campaigns. There must be people here with contacts or who are familiar with high profile campaigns that could be consulted about how to raise the issue or inquire of the appropriate officials.

It's a serious matter, esp. in these times and due to his ideas. This must have been brought up and considered, but to know that professional safety measures are in place would be reassuring to followers and the country. Out of concern and selfishness because we need him so much this absolutely must be put in place if it isn't already. I'd like to think it is. In any way I can I'll gladly help.

AikidoSoul

(2,150 posts)
32. "It's a sad thing when truth is dangerous..."
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 05:27 PM
Jul 2015

He needs security. How can we get him some excellent security?

I'm praying for a dream team of at least three dozen men and women who closely resemble the talents of many of the characters played by Wesley Snipes.

About the "TRUTH" -- two excellent quotes:

”In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.“-- George Orwell

"A truth's initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed. It wasn't the world being round that agitated people, but that the world wasn't flat. When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic" (Dresden James, Author)



 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
75. Then unfortunately he will have to get private security
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 01:39 PM
Jul 2015

We only pay for nominees. Can you imagine the costs of having security for all those GOP candidates. We'd use our yearly budget in no time.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
76. I didn't say we should provide security to all
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 01:44 PM
Jul 2015

just that if "they" are planning on taking him out, it will be before the nomination.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
77. Well unless they get proof that he is targeted
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 01:46 PM
Jul 2015

He will get security when he gets the nomination. You can't favor one over others.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
24. Indeed. I have been worrying about this myself.
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 04:57 PM
Jul 2015

Being a Minnesota native I remember what happened to Paul Wellstone.

A pilot friend of mine was flying Norm Coleman to the same destination on the same day at the same time. Her plane was less than ten miles away from Wellstone's at the time it went down. According to her there was absolutely no reason Wellstone's plane should have crashed, none, unless the pilot deliberately crashed or some outside force acted upon it. This isn't woo; it came from a very smart pilot who is no conspiracy theorist.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
34. Oh shit, now you got me paranoid
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 05:34 PM
Jul 2015

I think the Sanders group should talk about a way to contact the campaign. It may sound stupid, but it's worth it to be safe. These greedy motherfuckers don't play.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
35. My friend described it this way:
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 05:42 PM
Jul 2015

"It was like the plane was swatted out of the sky." She was pretty freaked out.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
28. I agree,
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 05:11 PM
Jul 2015

and no small planes!



Anyone who talks about the IMF like that is going to make some very rich people very, very mad.

I DO like that he has the courage to say OUT LOUD what everybody already knows about the IMF.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
39. You said it!
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 07:34 PM
Jul 2015

I've been thinking this for some time now. You can't go around talking about how you're gonna shake things up and pull the rugs out from various evil entities and policies without causing worry - SERIOUS worry - amongst those who profit from their skullduggery. "Accidents" CAN Happen and WILL happen if you conveniently leave the door open for them.

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
64. NO kidding, you are little behind on what Sanders is all about, aren't ya?
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 12:22 PM
Jul 2015


He's the champion of the people, by the people, for the people.

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
72. Me too.
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 12:45 PM
Jul 2015

You are a bit new here, my friend, I suffer no centrism.

It's all good...Bernie is the absolute best!

MoreGOPoop

(417 posts)
23. Sanderstorm!
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 04:52 PM
Jul 2015

I love it! Deja vu fell heavy on me as I realized a whole lot of truth is
seeping out, lately- especially via Bernie. The truth rarely has safe harbor.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
27. I recommend that all DUers read the full artricle.
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 05:10 PM
Jul 2015

I was going to ad some quotes from it, but everybody needs to read the entire thing.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
30. Been watching the Greek situation closely...Yannis is calling it Terrorism..people are terrified of
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 05:19 PM
Jul 2015

starving to death...literally...It's the Troika...EU, ECB and IMF...greedy, cancerous, banksters, scum. Greece can't get out of it like the US did...print more money/bailout...they and much of Southern Europe are in the same condition. This could be a gamechanger.
Germany is the main European culprit...and that after Greece forgave them their WW2 debt.

Or you could call it just corporate money...that describes it and one can see who does and does not support that...which is the logical outcome of the above...we are a bit nicer calling it either the l% of .01%.

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
55. I asked someone from Greece for her take on the situation, she was too afraid to talk about it.
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 08:43 PM
Jul 2015

That tells me all I needed to know. There is real fear there, not just of the treachery of the Troika, but of the Golden Dawn too. Same poison, you are right.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
78. Germany
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 01:49 PM
Jul 2015

and the EU for that matter are slaves to the US banking institutions. You can't blame people for the fear factor, sometimes it is real.

If the EU fails, Greece starts a wave of defections to include Spain, Wall Street, IMF and World Banks are in trouble.

Before we take down capitalism, don't we need a viable, well construction plan for a new paradigm? I've not seen anything yet.

Bitcoins is just a tax avoidance scheme, imo.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
85. IMO, Capitalism is taking down itself. Plato says the next evolution is Tyranny.
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 02:32 PM
Jul 2015

Interesting coincidence of nationality.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
38. This nation has always had a hidden dark side.
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 07:32 PM
Jul 2015

Never has this dark side been so dark, so secretive or so completely unethical.

We have to elect Bernie. It is imperative.

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
65. Which is why, even true conservative GOP'ers of Eisenhower's ilk get it, & he is drawing from that
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 12:29 PM
Jul 2015

faction as well. He is drawing from across the spectrum, come all ye disillusioned, disenfranchised, all those who truly seek an end to this stranglehold, this is no democracy, we are not going to accept this illusion, we want the real deal. It is time.

You are either a true patriot of a democracy, OR you are a blasphemy against democracy, we've been living for a very long time with a faction that poses as democracy, but undermines it for profit. We have true democrats in office, we know them by name, we know the DINOs & we damn well know what the far right extremists have imposed with their agenda driving oligarchy.

We are the USA, we demand a return to rule of law & our true democracy. United we stand.

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
91. TY for bringing Eisenhower's words into this, they are potent & always have been, esp. given the
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 09:25 PM
Jul 2015

fact there were two Kennedys assassinated later. We know the world would be a different place had they lived.

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