Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumThink there will be an indictment?
Check this out before you answer:
http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/search.php?sort=A&name=&state=&zip=&employ=Department%2Bof%2BJustice&cand=Hillary&soft=&cycle=2016
Too cynical to see that happening despite your link. Interesting though and would love to hear what others think.
pscot
(21,023 posts)He's also the guy who sent Martha Stewart to jail for 2 years over a $229,000 insider trading profit.
antigop
(12,778 posts)pscot
(21,023 posts)DOJ will indict.
antigop
(12,778 posts)pscot
(21,023 posts)would continue from now until November and Hillary's election hopes would be deader than Osama bin Ladn. I don't really expect that, but who knows?
leveymg
(36,418 posts)issue. That's a sort of politically safe middle ground that wouldn't surprise me. The GOP will love running against a candidate under that sort of pall. Her bots will claim she was exonerated. She'll probably lose, anyway. Disaster in November if she isn't replaced at the Convention.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Who knows.
The indictment isn't the big question. Whether corruption and favoritism protects her from an indictment will be the big campaign issue.
If she is indicted, she is out.
If she isn't, the Republicans will want to know why.
Either way, it will be a distraction and bad for us Democrats.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)from getting Ashcroft's signature on ILLEGAL NSA SPYING.Gonzales went behind Comey's back to get Ashcroft's sig while in the freakin' hospital. Comey beat Gonzales to the hospital and told Ashcroft what was going on and Gonzales had his ass chewed out by Ashcroft and didn't get his signature.
Comey also prosecuted Marc Rich, a financier, for racketeering (?), embezzlement (?) and since Marc Rich was a Clinton buddy, Clinton pardoned him! I doubt Comey's very find of the Clintons.
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antigop
(12,778 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)that if Comey recommends indictment of Clinton and Lynch and Obama don't indict her, shit will hit the fan, so we shall see.
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Duckfan
(1,268 posts)she can forget the WH. It's over. But yes. A fire storm if Lynch hesitates at bringing charges.
pscot
(21,023 posts)NJCher
(35,432 posts)of bought and paid for.
Cher
bunnies
(15,859 posts)It would just be another historic first for the country. Come what may.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)This country is so freakin' corrupt. From 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, to the Hiuse and Senate, to the SCOTUS, to the DOJ, the Pentagon, every court in this country and pretty much every damn state government.
This election is their final play for Oligarchic control.
Hence, the entire U.S. Government and every state government working against Bernie.
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antigop
(12,778 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Prosecuting. It's CORRUPT.
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antigop
(12,778 posts)How are you supposed to know that if you donate to candidate X, later on candidate X could be prosecuted?
Are you really saying DOJ personnel shouldn't be allowed to make campaign contributions at all?
xynthee
(477 posts)Is there anything left that's NOT rigged?
antigop
(12,778 posts)Would that be THIS Renata Hesse?
https://www.justice.gov/atr/deputy-assistant-attorneys-general-0
antigop
(12,778 posts)Would that be THIS Joshua Geltzer?
http://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_services/law_national_security/about_us/member_directory.html
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)foundation is critical. Also when Jerry Brown was debating against Bill Clinton he brought up money laundering way back when..this corruption has been going on for a very long time and everyone in gov knows it...betcha
senz
(11,945 posts)James Comey has a relevant history. It's easy to see why Hill might be nervous, not want to hold press conferences and avoid talking to Comey.
He helped prosecute the Gambino crime family.
One of the charges Martha Stewart was convicted of was lying to an FBI agent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Comey
Plus, we read that the Clinton Foundation operates like a RICO operation. When you read all the donors and related favors, including $3.5 million from a notorious perpetrator of child-related crimes prior to his getting off on a ridiculously light sentence, it begins to look ... serious.
antigop
(12,778 posts)Would that list have any impact on a decision to indict?
antigop
(12,778 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)That is a certainty. Likely, the decision whether to indict will be dragged out and HRC will be pardoned, as was CIA Director John Deutch. If Hillary is still on the ticket come November, all Hell is going to break lose.
antigop
(12,778 posts)as they have always done."
I hate to reference Chuck Todd, but I think he's right on this one.
I think the goal is to get her through the convention. That's the immediate goal. Get Bernie out of the way.
If an indictment comes later, they will deal with it then. And I agree with you that they will drag it out.
She can still run even under indictment.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)This scenario is insane. Let's hope the President and the DNC aren't.
As I see it, a worst-case scenario is release of a FBI report after the Convention that says she broke the law without a recommendation for an indictment. I see we're being set up for that by both the Clinton Campaign and the RNC/Trump Campaign, both of which want it that way.
antigop
(12,778 posts)Unfortunately, it's not up to you and me.
I really think they feel they can work their way through it. I really do.
Hope I'm wrong.
Bernin4U
(812 posts)And her supporters seem fully on board with it.
Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)matters.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)PEACE
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thereismore
(13,326 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)I can't imagine he's very fond of her, but he does admire her intelligence..."She's wicked smart."
After what she did to him during the 2008 election, he should find the biggest bus he can and throw her under it.
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Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Which means the Attorney General will make the decision on her own.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)staying out of the investigation.
Duval
(4,280 posts)antigop
(12,778 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Whether the DoJ follows through is another matter entirely.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)mak3cats
(1,573 posts)There's at least one on the list (assuming Open Secrets' information is correct) that has gone over the limit for contributions to a candidate in the same election cycle:
GEBREMARIAM, HELAM
WASHINGTON, DC 20010
US Department of Justice
2/8/16
$2,450
GEBREMARIAM, HELAM
WASHINGTON, DC 20010
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
12/10/15
$250
GEBREMARIAM, HELAM
WASHINGTON, DC 20010
US Department of Justice
2/8/16
$250
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Still, the contributions were in her name for all 3.
Couples usually split $5400 between the two and donate.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)An indictment for Clinton would require them to look into all the similar cases, and recommend indictments for many others. They probably feel they have waded into the swamp far enough, and are looking to get out. The FBI, I mean. They must consider this a big waste of time, with too much potential for political entanglements.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)servers in their home basement. Clinton is the ONLY ONE TO EVER DO THIS. Email wasn't used before Powell and Rice.
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antigop
(12,778 posts)antigop
(12,778 posts)Should DOJ personnel be allowed to make campaign contributions at all?
Does it really make any difference?
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Elections should be funded publicly.
antigop
(12,778 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)And the sooner - the better! Getting one liar out of the way would clear the way to deny the other one the presidency.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)The United States is no longer a nation of laws - Obama put an end to that when he claimed the power to unilaterally declare citizens to be Enemies of the State and then summarily execute them without due process.
Hillary will not be indicted because she is connected. She is the very embodiment of the establishment insider, and such a person is not subject to the laws under which lesser individuals are prosecuted.
antigop
(12,778 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Watergate broke in the summer preceding the 1972 election, and Nixon was never indicted for it. He won in a landslide! I'm sure everything will work out for Hillary just as well as it did for Nixon.
Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)....I have wondered if she is elected if she will finish out her term. I can't see the GOP letting this drop. Factor in the rumors about the Clinton Foundation and I feel she would be leaving by helicopter just like Nixon.
Just my opinion...unlike others here I can't predict the future.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Democrats didn't know enough about what was really behind the Watergate scandal in 1972 to make anything of it.
The breadth of the scandal did not become apparent for years.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)leaving politics in disgrace.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Who knows? Congress is Republican and may decide to have one appointed.
NJCher
(35,432 posts)That would pretty much finish off the Clintons for quite some time. What do you think they are waiting on? Do you think they are aware that all of these staffers are donating to HRC?
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Jack Bone
(2,023 posts)postulater
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(2,023 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)There will either be an indictment, or there will be a leak that the FBI wanted to indict, but was blocked by the Obama administration.
The latter will happen in October, and may or may not be true. But it will be leaked.
senz
(11,945 posts)Ideally, she would be indicted before the convention.
This poor country does not need another crime family.
The American people need a good president. I hope we can have one.
RussBLib
(8,985 posts)At least based on what I have heard to date.
eridani
(51,907 posts)Some chump like Scooter Libby takes the fall for them.