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Think there will be an indictment? (Original Post) antigop Jun 2016 OP
Nope abelenkpe Jun 2016 #1
James Comey, however, is a registered Republican pscot Jun 2016 #2
It will be up to the DOJ to indict. nt antigop Jun 2016 #5
If Comey recommends indictment pscot Jun 2016 #7
not necessarily. nt antigop Jun 2016 #8
If they didn't, the Republican howls pscot Jun 2016 #11
FBI will find that she violated her Classified Info Nondisclose but could leave it to AG on indict leveymg Jun 2016 #43
Unless Congress somehow gets a special prosecutor and investigates itself. JDPriestly Jun 2016 #51
And raced Roberto Gonzales to John Ashcroft's hospital bed when he was acting AG to stop Gonzales in_cog_ni_to Jun 2016 #16
but a decision to indict would ultimately come from DOJ. nt antigop Jun 2016 #17
Right and people in the FBI have said in_cog_ni_to Jun 2016 #21
If he ONLY says indict and it's on the front page of NY Times..... Duckfan Jun 2016 #63
He's a moralist. No telling what he might do pscot Jun 2016 #58
is that ever a sickening tale NJCher Jun 2016 #3
No. And I dont think it would matter anyway. bunnies Jun 2016 #4
That's disgusting. in_cog_ni_to Jun 2016 #6
Is it really "disgusting"? They are allowed to make contributions, aren't they? nt antigop Jun 2016 #27
YES! It's digusting and they shouldn't be allowed to donate to public officials who they could be in_cog_ni_to Jun 2016 #29
OK, here is the problem... antigop Jun 2016 #31
Jesus H. Christ! xynthee Jun 2016 #9
Who is Renata Hesse? (She's on the list) antigop Jun 2016 #10
Who is Joshua Geltzer? (also on the list) antigop Jun 2016 #12
No and she will be guilty of a lot of things..I think the money laundering issue with the bkkyosemite Jun 2016 #13
I think you're right. senz Jun 2016 #49
Second question... antigop Jun 2016 #14
My answer: I would hope not. nt antigop Jun 2016 #23
Those are career DOJ lawyers. The decision to indict is the AG's, and will be politically informed leveymg Jun 2016 #44
I really, really think she and the party thinks they can "grind their way through it antigop Jun 2016 #45
Technically, she can run even if she's a convicted felon. But, should we let her? leveymg Jun 2016 #46
"Should we let her?" antigop Jun 2016 #47
+1. Very much the "Whatever doesn't kill us only makes us stronger" mentality. Bernin4U Jun 2016 #52
Not at all n/t Bjornsdotter Jun 2016 #15
If it is recommended, the DOJ will do what Pres. Obama tells them to. I don't think this list thereismore Jun 2016 #18
Obama's legacy will be in the toilet if he doesn't indict if recommended by Comey. in_cog_ni_to Jun 2016 #25
I agree. She really put him in a bad spot already. I wonder what he thinks of her privately. nt thereismore Jun 2016 #28
Me too. in_cog_ni_to Jun 2016 #30
President Obama has already stated that he is staying out of the decision process. Major Hogwash Jun 2016 #65
I am not sure: did he say that or did he say he is thereismore Jun 2016 #66
There are NO WORDS. Duval Jun 2016 #19
I really don't know. I'm hoping it wouldn't matter. nt antigop Jun 2016 #20
I think the FBI will recommend indictment. frylock Jun 2016 #22
^^ This. n/t winter is coming Jun 2016 #37
And looky here... mak3cats Jun 2016 #24
Married to a Subash Iyer (private practice) -- no contributions to HRC. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #33
I doubt it. HassleCat Jun 2016 #26
They already talked to Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice. NEITHER of them used unsecured private in_cog_ni_to Jun 2016 #32
OK, here is a similar list for Bernie: antigop Jun 2016 #34
Here's the real question... antigop Jun 2016 #35
My preference, and my belief, is that NO INDIVIDUAL should be able to give politicians money. Maedhros Jun 2016 #40
I totally agree. Thanks. nt antigop Jun 2016 #41
Fingers crossed Plucketeer Jun 2016 #36
The list of contributors is irrelevant. Maedhros Jun 2016 #38
Thank you for your input. nt antigop Jun 2016 #39
This is all overwrought hyperventilating. Maedhros Jun 2016 #42
I've thought that also Bjornsdotter Jun 2016 #48
Yes. It will, however, be a juicy campaign issue for Republicans. JDPriestly Jun 2016 #54
Thus, it will turn out as well for Hillary as it did for Nixon: Maedhros Jun 2016 #55
My opinion precisely. They would have to have a special prosecutor. JDPriestly Jun 2016 #50
It certainly would be to their advantage to see her prosecuted NJCher Jun 2016 #59
Is this a joke? VIJAY SHANKER $2,700 ? really!! Jack Bone Jun 2016 #53
Jack Bone? Really? postulater Jun 2016 #61
Really....late 80s slang for no money...nt Jack Bone Jun 2016 #62
Doesn't matter. jeff47 Jun 2016 #56
Rich, powerful people should not be above the law. senz Jun 2016 #57
nope. don't see an indictable offense. RussBLib Jun 2016 #60
No. Members of The Club never get indicted eridani Jun 2016 #64

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
1. Nope
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:11 PM
Jun 2016

Too cynical to see that happening despite your link. Interesting though and would love to hear what others think.

pscot

(21,023 posts)
2. James Comey, however, is a registered Republican
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:15 PM
Jun 2016

He's also the guy who sent Martha Stewart to jail for 2 years over a $229,000 insider trading profit.

pscot

(21,023 posts)
11. If they didn't, the Republican howls
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:28 PM
Jun 2016

would continue from now until November and Hillary's election hopes would be deader than Osama bin Ladn. I don't really expect that, but who knows?

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
43. FBI will find that she violated her Classified Info Nondisclose but could leave it to AG on indict
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:43 PM
Jun 2016

issue. That's a sort of politically safe middle ground that wouldn't surprise me. The GOP will love running against a candidate under that sort of pall. Her bots will claim she was exonerated. She'll probably lose, anyway. Disaster in November if she isn't replaced at the Convention.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
51. Unless Congress somehow gets a special prosecutor and investigates itself.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:08 PM
Jun 2016

Who knows.

The indictment isn't the big question. Whether corruption and favoritism protects her from an indictment will be the big campaign issue.

If she is indicted, she is out.

If she isn't, the Republicans will want to know why.

Either way, it will be a distraction and bad for us Democrats.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
16. And raced Roberto Gonzales to John Ashcroft's hospital bed when he was acting AG to stop Gonzales
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:36 PM
Jun 2016

from getting Ashcroft's signature on ILLEGAL NSA SPYING.Gonzales went behind Comey's back to get Ashcroft's sig while in the freakin' hospital. Comey beat Gonzales to the hospital and told Ashcroft what was going on and Gonzales had his ass chewed out by Ashcroft and didn't get his signature.

Comey also prosecuted Marc Rich, a financier, for racketeering (?), embezzlement (?) and since Marc Rich was a Clinton buddy, Clinton pardoned him! I doubt Comey's very find of the Clintons.

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BERNIE

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
21. Right and people in the FBI have said
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:41 PM
Jun 2016

that if Comey recommends indictment of Clinton and Lynch and Obama don't indict her, shit will hit the fan, so we shall see.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

Duckfan

(1,268 posts)
63. If he ONLY says indict and it's on the front page of NY Times.....
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 02:05 AM
Jun 2016

she can forget the WH. It's over. But yes. A fire storm if Lynch hesitates at bringing charges.

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
4. No. And I dont think it would matter anyway.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:18 PM
Jun 2016

It would just be another historic first for the country. Come what may.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
6. That's disgusting.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:21 PM
Jun 2016

This country is so freakin' corrupt. From 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, to the Hiuse and Senate, to the SCOTUS, to the DOJ, the Pentagon, every court in this country and pretty much every damn state government.

This election is their final play for Oligarchic control.

Hence, the entire U.S. Government and every state government working against Bernie.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
29. YES! It's digusting and they shouldn't be allowed to donate to public officials who they could be
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:53 PM
Jun 2016

Prosecuting. It's CORRUPT.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

antigop

(12,778 posts)
31. OK, here is the problem...
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:00 PM
Jun 2016

How are you supposed to know that if you donate to candidate X, later on candidate X could be prosecuted?


Are you really saying DOJ personnel shouldn't be allowed to make campaign contributions at all?

antigop

(12,778 posts)
12. Who is Joshua Geltzer? (also on the list)
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:31 PM
Jun 2016

Would that be THIS Joshua Geltzer?
http://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_services/law_national_security/about_us/member_directory.html

Joshua Geltzer, Counsel to the Assistant Attorney General for National Security, Department of Justice

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
13. No and she will be guilty of a lot of things..I think the money laundering issue with the
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:32 PM
Jun 2016

foundation is critical. Also when Jerry Brown was debating against Bill Clinton he brought up money laundering way back when..this corruption has been going on for a very long time and everyone in gov knows it...betcha

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
49. I think you're right.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:03 PM
Jun 2016

James Comey has a relevant history. It's easy to see why Hill might be nervous, not want to hold press conferences and avoid talking to Comey.

He helped prosecute the Gambino crime family.

One of the charges Martha Stewart was convicted of was lying to an FBI agent

In April 2003, he led the indictment of Frank Quattrone, who allegedly urged subordinates in 2000 to destroy evidence sought by investigators looking into his investment banking practices at Credit Suisse First Boston.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Comey

Plus, we read that the Clinton Foundation operates like a RICO operation. When you read all the donors and related favors, including $3.5 million from a notorious perpetrator of child-related crimes prior to his getting off on a ridiculously light sentence, it begins to look ... serious.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
44. Those are career DOJ lawyers. The decision to indict is the AG's, and will be politically informed
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:48 PM
Jun 2016

That is a certainty. Likely, the decision whether to indict will be dragged out and HRC will be pardoned, as was CIA Director John Deutch. If Hillary is still on the ticket come November, all Hell is going to break lose.

antigop

(12,778 posts)
45. I really, really think she and the party thinks they can "grind their way through it
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:57 PM
Jun 2016

as they have always done."

I hate to reference Chuck Todd, but I think he's right on this one.

I think the goal is to get her through the convention. That's the immediate goal. Get Bernie out of the way.

If an indictment comes later, they will deal with it then. And I agree with you that they will drag it out.

She can still run even under indictment.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
46. Technically, she can run even if she's a convicted felon. But, should we let her?
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 05:04 PM
Jun 2016

This scenario is insane. Let's hope the President and the DNC aren't.

As I see it, a worst-case scenario is release of a FBI report after the Convention that says she broke the law without a recommendation for an indictment. I see we're being set up for that by both the Clinton Campaign and the RNC/Trump Campaign, both of which want it that way.

antigop

(12,778 posts)
47. "Should we let her?"
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 05:10 PM
Jun 2016

Unfortunately, it's not up to you and me.

I really think they feel they can work their way through it. I really do.

Hope I'm wrong.

Bernin4U

(812 posts)
52. +1. Very much the "Whatever doesn't kill us only makes us stronger" mentality.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:13 PM
Jun 2016

And her supporters seem fully on board with it.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
30. Me too.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:59 PM
Jun 2016

I can't imagine he's very fond of her, but he does admire her intelligence..."She's wicked smart."

After what she did to him during the 2008 election, he should find the biggest bus he can and throw her under it.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
65. President Obama has already stated that he is staying out of the decision process.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 06:03 AM
Jun 2016

Which means the Attorney General will make the decision on her own.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
22. I think the FBI will recommend indictment.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:42 PM
Jun 2016

Whether the DoJ follows through is another matter entirely.

mak3cats

(1,573 posts)
24. And looky here...
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:43 PM
Jun 2016

There's at least one on the list (assuming Open Secrets' information is correct) that has gone over the limit for contributions to a candidate in the same election cycle:

GEBREMARIAM, HELAM
WASHINGTON, DC 20010

US Department of Justice

2/8/16

$2,450

GEBREMARIAM, HELAM
WASHINGTON, DC 20010

U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

12/10/15

$250

GEBREMARIAM, HELAM
WASHINGTON, DC 20010

US Department of Justice

2/8/16

$250

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
33. Married to a Subash Iyer (private practice) -- no contributions to HRC.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:06 PM
Jun 2016

Still, the contributions were in her name for all 3.

Couples usually split $5400 between the two and donate.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
26. I doubt it.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:48 PM
Jun 2016

An indictment for Clinton would require them to look into all the similar cases, and recommend indictments for many others. They probably feel they have waded into the swamp far enough, and are looking to get out. The FBI, I mean. They must consider this a big waste of time, with too much potential for political entanglements.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
32. They already talked to Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice. NEITHER of them used unsecured private
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:03 PM
Jun 2016

servers in their home basement. Clinton is the ONLY ONE TO EVER DO THIS. Email wasn't used before Powell and Rice.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

antigop

(12,778 posts)
35. Here's the real question...
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:11 PM
Jun 2016

Should DOJ personnel be allowed to make campaign contributions at all?

Does it really make any difference?

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
40. My preference, and my belief, is that NO INDIVIDUAL should be able to give politicians money.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:23 PM
Jun 2016

Elections should be funded publicly.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
36. Fingers crossed
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:13 PM
Jun 2016

And the sooner - the better! Getting one liar out of the way would clear the way to deny the other one the presidency.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
38. The list of contributors is irrelevant.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:19 PM
Jun 2016

The United States is no longer a nation of laws - Obama put an end to that when he claimed the power to unilaterally declare citizens to be Enemies of the State and then summarily execute them without due process.

Hillary will not be indicted because she is connected. She is the very embodiment of the establishment insider, and such a person is not subject to the laws under which lesser individuals are prosecuted.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
42. This is all overwrought hyperventilating.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:27 PM
Jun 2016

Watergate broke in the summer preceding the 1972 election, and Nixon was never indicted for it. He won in a landslide! I'm sure everything will work out for Hillary just as well as it did for Nixon.



Bjornsdotter

(6,123 posts)
48. I've thought that also
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 05:26 PM
Jun 2016

....I have wondered if she is elected if she will finish out her term. I can't see the GOP letting this drop. Factor in the rumors about the Clinton Foundation and I feel she would be leaving by helicopter just like Nixon.

Just my opinion...unlike others here I can't predict the future.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
54. Yes. It will, however, be a juicy campaign issue for Republicans.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:39 PM
Jun 2016

Democrats didn't know enough about what was really behind the Watergate scandal in 1972 to make anything of it.

The breadth of the scandal did not become apparent for years.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
50. My opinion precisely. They would have to have a special prosecutor.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:06 PM
Jun 2016

Who knows? Congress is Republican and may decide to have one appointed.

NJCher

(35,432 posts)
59. It certainly would be to their advantage to see her prosecuted
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 10:54 PM
Jun 2016

That would pretty much finish off the Clintons for quite some time. What do you think they are waiting on? Do you think they are aware that all of these staffers are donating to HRC?


Cher

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
56. Doesn't matter.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 08:02 PM
Jun 2016

There will either be an indictment, or there will be a leak that the FBI wanted to indict, but was blocked by the Obama administration.

The latter will happen in October, and may or may not be true. But it will be leaked.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
57. Rich, powerful people should not be above the law.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 08:05 PM
Jun 2016

Ideally, she would be indicted before the convention.

This poor country does not need another crime family.

The American people need a good president. I hope we can have one.

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