Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumAn interesting read about the criminal investigation and whether Hillary will be indicted.
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Loretta Lynch, ... is fully on board with Mr. Obamas choice of which laws to enforce, which to modify, and which to ignore. How vigorously the likely presidential nominee of her own party should be pursued would surely be part of her guidance to Mr. Comey. It is unlikely that he would disregard it.
Outside of the DoJs inner circle, no one can be sure what that guidance is, or of how Mr. Obama has directed it. Im not the first to suggest that all government agency-heads understand that they work for Mr. Obama. Current and past Congresses have labored mightily to make some federal arms independent of presidential influence, but every agency-boss undoubtedly knows he must follow a presidents directives, recommendations, and subtle (or not so-subtle) hints on how certain matters should be handled. This is Government 101 no surprises here.
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5.How will it all end up? Take your pick:
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(a)Indictment delayed, Mrs. Clinton loses the election. In this scenario, she could be indicted soon after perhaps during the Mr. Obamas final months, but more likely after the new (Republican) president is sworn in. Mr. Obama might prefer not to soil his hands with prosecution of a fellow-Democrat. It would be an unpleasant conclusion to his presidency, and might damage his cachet in the Democratic Party, not to mention his future earning power.
(b)Indictment delayed, Mrs. Clinton is elected. In this case its not hard to imagine that the FBI investigation will just fade away. A small item will eventually appear on page A-18 of the Washington Post, reporting that no charges will be brought in the matter of Mrs. Clintons e-mails. (You dont need to be Clarence Darrow to predict this.)
(c)Indictment before the election. This seems unlikely but if it happens, it means that Mr. Obama either believes Mrs. Clinton will lose the election, or wants her to lose. In the first case, he leaves office with a reputation for righteous justice perhaps knowing that the evidence cant support a conviction. In the second case, the known animosity between the Obama and Clinton families will finally have borne its bitter fruit. An indictment just before the election would ruin Mrs. Clinton almost certainly resulting in her defeat. Should she win anyway, the FBI indeed, the entire DoJ will feel the wrath of a woman scorned when she takes office. (A nightmare as ever was.)
(d)Indictment quashed by Obamas DoJ. Its hard to see this happening in the present political climate, but you never know. Mr. Obama might feel strong enough to do it, and damn the consequences. What does he care about the whining Republicans? Besides, it would energize his base and burnish his street-rep as a real mensch (even if hes not Jewish). Or he might be so desperate to have a Democrat carry on his legacy a so-called Obama third term that hell let her skate. A wild card in the deck could be a civil suit by some former FBI agents who know shes guilty and wont let it go. I hear rumors of this from people who should know, but I cant confirm them. When it comes to politics, never say never.
Read more at
http://www.ahherald.com/columns-list/at-large/22520-decoding-the-hillary-clinton-e-mail-investigation
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)FBI has evidence of crimes, DoJ doesn't prosecute. FBI investigators leak evidence to media and Congress. Congress holds more hearings, impeachment vote, long drawn out trial before Senate with requisite Clinton Drama. Obama Legacy (once clean) is a coverup. Clintons reputation even further soiled. Leaves such a bad taste in publics mouth no woman can get elected president for the next 25 years.
Bernin4U
(812 posts)Something like that.
Karma13612
(4,549 posts)I don't feel it would sour the public on voting for a woman, since Hillary only represents a certain woman, not all.
There are already so many other great powerful women that could rise to the level of President with a bit of time, experience and notoriety.
Just my two cents.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)"A wild card in the deck could be a civil suit by some former FBI agents who know shes guilty and wont let it go. I hear rumors of this from people who should know, but I cant confirm them. When it comes to politics, never say never. "
I too think a leak is a possible scenario but a civil suit! I never heard that. Can FBI agents launch a civil suit?
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Whether you work for the FBI or not, you have no viable cause of action in a civil suit unless you can allege that you've been (or are about to be) injured. "Defendant has committed a crime and gotten away with it and I'm outraged!" wouldn't cut it.
One possibility that occurs to me: no indictment, a disgruntled FBI agent makes a public statement saying that Clinton is guilty and should have been indicted and would have been but for improper political influence, Clinton issues statement denying allegations, FBI agent sues her for defamation. The theory would be that, by denying his allegations, she has accused him of lying, and he didn't lie so her statement about him is false, and it injured his reputation. I haven't followed the Cosby case in detail but I think something like this is going on. Cosby denied some allegation, so the accuser is suing him for that recent statement (alleging defamation), rather than for what he did years ago (which is now time-barred). Perhaps Clinton would learn from that and just ignore any disgruntled-FBI-agent accusations.
The only other thing I can think of is the possibility that an FBI agent could make a case about his or her career. Depending on Bureau personnel policies, conceivably there could be an allegation along the lines of "I was improperly passed over for promotion because I insisted on pointing out the criminal conduct of a powerful politician." That wouldn't be a case against Clinton personally, but the plaintiff would presumably demand that she be examined under oath.
All in all I'll say that talk of a civil suit by an FBI agent is probably just bluster.
NJCher
(35,647 posts)I lap this stuff up like a kitty laps up cream.
This will be my number 1 read when I curl up with my tablet in bed tonight.
It is the most suspenseful legal thriller ever. You couldn't make this stuff up!
Cher
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)that FBI agents might launch a civil suit if Hillary doesnt get charged. Hard to believe that that would even be possible but just another chapter in a real nail biter. If Comey ever writes a book after all is said and done he'll be a billionaire. Who wouldn't want to read the back story as to how this has unfolded?
DI Freighter Watcher
(128 posts)I had been thinking the DNC is on a suicide mission, and with Obama endorsement video today, it appears the DOJ and Obama are on that bus.
Another sad day for Democracy
grasswire
(50,130 posts)That it's all a charade? That votes really DON'T matter?
That a candidate looking out for their interests will be squashed by coopted media and the party machine, with impunity?
I could go on.
It's not good.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)Give up, keep your head down and just worry about yourself - the rest is just unicorns and a waste of your time and effort.
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)what does that mean?
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)then let the whole thing disappear however what about agents who leak or file suit which seems plausible. It's mystifying.
Lars39
(26,109 posts)It appears Obama and Biden leaned hard on Clinton and DWS to have EW as VP.
I think think they're going to let Hillary flap in the wind because they're pissed.
Obama and Biden would know the full consequences of her stint as SoS (assets lost, private server, Libya, and Blumenthal betrayal). I think Obama (and Biden) has been mad as hell after being apprised by the alphabet agencies. Revenge is a dish best served cold, and I think at some point she will be forced to step down. She'll get the historical nod to being the first woman elected, and even possibly sworn in, but she won't serve out her term in office.
Well, that's my theory, and ymmv.