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Thu Jun 9, 2016, 06:13 PM

An interesting read about the criminal investigation and whether Hillary will be indicted.

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Loretta Lynch, ... is fully on board with Mr. Obama’s choice of which laws to enforce, which to modify, and which to ignore. How vigorously the likely presidential nominee of her own party should be pursued would surely be part of her “guidance” to Mr. Comey. It is unlikely that he would disregard it.

Outside of the DoJ’s inner circle, no one can be sure what that guidance is, or of how Mr. Obama has directed it. I’m not the first to suggest that all government agency-heads understand that they work for Mr. Obama. Current and past Congresses have labored mightily to make some federal arms “independent” of presidential influence, but every agency-boss undoubtedly knows he must follow a president’s directives, recommendations, and subtle (or not so-subtle) hints on how certain matters should be handled. This is Government 101 – no surprises here.


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5.How will it all end up? Take your pick:


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(a)Indictment delayed, Mrs. Clinton loses the election. In this scenario, she could be indicted soon after – perhaps during the Mr. Obama’s final months, but more likely after the new (Republican) president is sworn in. Mr. Obama might prefer not to soil his hands with prosecution of a fellow-Democrat. It would be an unpleasant conclusion to his presidency, and might damage his cachet in the Democratic Party, not to mention his future earning power.

(b)Indictment delayed, Mrs. Clinton is elected. In this case it’s not hard to imagine that the FBI investigation will just fade away. A small item will eventually appear on page A-18 of the Washington Post, reporting that no charges will be brought in the matter of Mrs. Clinton’s e-mails. (You don’t need to be Clarence Darrow to predict this.)

(c)Indictment before the election. This seems unlikely but if it happens, it means that Mr. Obama either believes Mrs. Clinton will lose the election, or wants her to lose. In the first case, he leaves office with a reputation for righteous justice – perhaps knowing that the evidence can’t support a conviction. In the second case, the known animosity between the Obama and Clinton families will finally have borne its bitter fruit. An indictment just before the election would ruin Mrs. Clinton – almost certainly resulting in her defeat. Should she win anyway, the FBI – indeed, the entire DoJ – will feel the wrath of a woman scorned when she takes office. (A nightmare as ever was.)

(d)Indictment quashed by Obama’s DoJ. It’s hard to see this happening in the present political climate, but you never know. Mr. Obama might feel strong enough to do it, and damn the consequences. What does he care about the whining Republicans? Besides, it would energize his base and burnish his street-rep as a real mensch (even if he’s not Jewish). Or he might be so desperate to have a Democrat carry on his legacy – a so-called “Obama third term” – that he’ll let her skate. A wild card in the deck could be a civil suit by some former FBI agents who know she’s guilty and won’t let it go. I hear rumors of this from people who should know, but I can’t confirm them. When it comes to politics, never say “never.”








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http://www.ahherald.com/columns-list/at-large/22520-decoding-the-hillary-clinton-e-mail-investigation





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Reply An interesting read about the criminal investigation and whether Hillary will be indicted. (Original post)
snagglepuss Jun 2016 OP
HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #1
Bernin4U Jun 2016 #3
Karma13612 Jun 2016 #4
snagglepuss Jun 2016 #6
Jim Lane Jun 2016 #12
NJCher Jun 2016 #2
snagglepuss Jun 2016 #8
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DI Freighter Watcher Jun 2016 #5
grasswire Jun 2016 #7
tk2kewl Jun 2016 #14
Downwinder Jun 2016 #9
Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2016 #10
snagglepuss Jun 2016 #11
Lars39 Jun 2016 #13

Response to snagglepuss (Original post)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 06:33 PM

1. Another possibility....

 

FBI has evidence of crimes, DoJ doesn't prosecute. FBI investigators leak evidence to media and Congress. Congress holds more hearings, impeachment vote, long drawn out trial before Senate with requisite Clinton Drama. Obama Legacy (once clean) is a coverup. Clintons reputation even further soiled. Leaves such a bad taste in publics mouth no woman can get elected president for the next 25 years.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 07:15 PM

3. And no more Dems for another 16

Something like that.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 07:21 PM

4. I was following along with you right up until the last sentence.

I don't feel it would sour the public on voting for a woman, since Hillary only represents a certain woman, not all.

There are already so many other great powerful women that could rise to the level of President with a bit of time, experience and notoriety.

Just my two cents.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 08:08 PM

6. He says a civil suit by FBI agents is the wild card and says he has heard rumors -

"A wild card in the deck could be a civil suit by some former FBI agents who know she’s guilty and won’t let it go. I hear rumors of this from people who should know, but I can’t confirm them. When it comes to politics, never say “never.” "


I too think a leak is a possible scenario but a civil suit! I never heard that. Can FBI agents launch a civil suit?

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Response to snagglepuss (Reply #6)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 12:48 AM

12. Civil suit -- seems unlikely.

 

Whether you work for the FBI or not, you have no viable cause of action in a civil suit unless you can allege that you've been (or are about to be) injured. "Defendant has committed a crime and gotten away with it and I'm outraged!" wouldn't cut it.

One possibility that occurs to me: no indictment, a disgruntled FBI agent makes a public statement saying that Clinton is guilty and should have been indicted and would have been but for improper political influence, Clinton issues statement denying allegations, FBI agent sues her for defamation. The theory would be that, by denying his allegations, she has accused him of lying, and he didn't lie so her statement about him is false, and it injured his reputation. I haven't followed the Cosby case in detail but I think something like this is going on. Cosby denied some allegation, so the accuser is suing him for that recent statement (alleging defamation), rather than for what he did years ago (which is now time-barred). Perhaps Clinton would learn from that and just ignore any disgruntled-FBI-agent accusations.

The only other thing I can think of is the possibility that an FBI agent could make a case about his or her career. Depending on Bureau personnel policies, conceivably there could be an allegation along the lines of "I was improperly passed over for promotion because I insisted on pointing out the criminal conduct of a powerful politician." That wouldn't be a case against Clinton personally, but the plaintiff would presumably demand that she be examined under oath.

All in all I'll say that talk of a civil suit by an FBI agent is probably just bluster.

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Response to snagglepuss (Original post)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 06:42 PM

2. thanks, snagglepuss

I lap this stuff up like a kitty laps up cream.

This will be my number 1 read when I curl up with my tablet in bed tonight.

It is the most suspenseful legal thriller ever. You couldn't make this stuff up!



Cher

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Response to NJCher (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 08:19 PM

8. Heavens you're most welcome even. Spoier alert: contains a jaw dropping rumor he heard

that FBI agents might launch a civil suit if Hillary doesnt get charged. Hard to believe that that would even be possible but just another chapter in a real nail biter. If Comey ever writes a book after all is said and done he'll be a billionaire. Who wouldn't want to read the back story as to how this has unfolded?

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Response to snagglepuss (Original post)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 07:37 PM

5. D

I had been thinking the DNC is on a suicide mission, and with Obama endorsement video today, it appears the DOJ and Obama are on that bus.
Another sad day for Democracy

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Response to DI Freighter Watcher (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 08:16 PM

7. here is the really sad part: what does this teach young people?

That it's all a charade? That votes really DON'T matter?

That a candidate looking out for their interests will be squashed by coopted media and the party machine, with impunity?

I could go on.

It's not good.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #7)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:57 AM

14. that is the lesson they want the kids to learn I'm afraid

 

Give up, keep your head down and just worry about yourself - the rest is just unicorns and a waste of your time and effort.

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Response to snagglepuss (Original post)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 08:40 PM

9. Former Los Alamos National Laboratory Scientist Sentenced to Prison for Atomic Energy Act Violations

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Response to snagglepuss (Original post)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 08:44 PM

10. The president just endorsed Clinton so......

what does that mean?

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #10)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 10:53 PM

11. Who knows? It would appear Obama is expecting Hillary to win and

then let the whole thing disappear however what about agents who leak or file suit which seems plausible. It's mystifying.

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #10)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:19 AM

13. But...

It appears Obama and Biden leaned hard on Clinton and DWS to have EW as VP.
I think think they're going to let Hillary flap in the wind because they're pissed.
Obama and Biden would know the full consequences of her stint as SoS (assets lost, private server, Libya, and Blumenthal betrayal). I think Obama (and Biden) has been mad as hell after being apprised by the alphabet agencies. Revenge is a dish best served cold, and I think at some point she will be forced to step down. She'll get the historical nod to being the first woman elected, and even possibly sworn in, but she won't serve out her term in office.
Well, that's my theory, and ymmv.

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