Tread lightly friends...

[onecaliberal]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by L0oniX (a host of the Bernie Sanders group).

Had a post hidden for a derogatory comment about Sarah Palin. What the hell is happening here?

[villager]

1. I guess the idea of this place being an "underground" anymore is kind of like performance satire...

...or meta irony.

[jalan48]

13. Underground in name only.

[daleanime]

2. Huh?

How is it possible to make a comment about Sister Sarah that's not derogatory? Lie?

[onecaliberal]

4. Yup... I was shocked, although not sure why.

[Luminous Animal]

3. Link?

[onecaliberal]

5. :

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: One of your posts has been hidden by a DU Jury
On Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:55 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Fuck off you stupid pile of steaming shit.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7026762

[Luminous Animal]

7. Wow. Interesting.

[onecaliberal]

10. That's what I thought too.

[JimDandy]

29. Some of the jurors probably

thought the comment was directed to the OP. In this DU climate, it pays to be explicit. Sorry you got the hide--was clear to me who it was aimed at.

ETA I see down thread that a couple of jurors who voted to hide actually realized it was regarding Palin. Hmmm.

[Warpy]

32. Right, the bad luck of the draw got jurors

who didn't look at what the post was in reply to.

It was an unfair hide from a lazy jury. It happens more than it should.

[Cleita]

6. I've had similar bullshit alerts and hides.

It's abuse of the system by persons who mentally never left junior high. I'm thinking I need to find more adult conversation.

[onecaliberal]

8. I guess the thing that most surprised me was

My comment was directly to Palin. Would love to know how someone here was offended by it? And who were the ppl that voted to hide?

[LiberalElite]

9. I suspect a bunch of

pearls clutchers alarmed at the sight of two curses in one sentence.

[onecaliberal]

11. Perhaps they should stick to Dr Seuss.

[haikugal]

12. Link? This I have to see.... nt

On edit...that's insane...

[onecaliberal]

14. #5 above

[haikugal]

15. Thanks I just read it...

Amazing on an adult forum, we are adults right?!

[onecaliberal]

16. Uhm, starting to wonder.

[RichVRichV]

17. I wouldn't think

that people are too dense to figure out that your post was directed at Palin and not the person posting it, but I get proven wrong regularly.


Best advice I can give is that if your going to post something like that make sure you also post who it's directed at. Not only does it remove any ambiguity, it also removes any excuse a juror who might know better could use.

[onecaliberal]

18. If you read juror comments, they knew who it was directed at.

[RichVRichV]

21. Odd, I never saw the jury results in the thread.

Must have someone on ignore or something.

This site should auto-post jury results after a hidden post. Would make things a lot simpler.

[onecaliberal]

22. :

On Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:55 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Fuck off you stupid pile of steaming shit.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7026762

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"Fuck off you steaming pile of shit" is rude and inappropriate for DU under any conditions.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Thu Jul 30, 2015, 09:03 AM, and voted 5-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Clearly referring to Sarah Palin. I have no issue with telling Sarah Palin to fuck off, as she is a steaming pile of shit.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The whole thread seems pretty vile, and it's OP a probable troll. Nonetheless, this still is a personal attack.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Perhaps if the poster were to rephrase the sentiment, but right now it's outside TOS.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Even though it was aimed at Sarah... hide.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Sarah Palin in a stupid fucking steaming pile of shit, a subhuman fuckwit.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation

[RichVRichV]

24. Lovely.

I've come to the conclusion that some people here are alert trolls, while other are really sensitive.

The trolls I can deal with.

[onecaliberal]

25. Same here... Trolls I can deal with.

[truebrit71]

19. Pretty sure that's the definition of a bullshit hide.

WTF?

[onecaliberal]

20. I don't know.

I'm at a loss....

[winter is coming]

23. Some folks are very alert-happy right now. n/t

[villager]

26. And yet, these alerts disparage and denigrate all other posters here...

...who dare disagree with them.

[jeff47]

27. Abuse the jury system?! Why, that would never happen!

Results from a jury I served on. Juror #1 was quite lovely.

On Sat Jul 25, 2015, 12:33 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

That explains why the perpetrators attacked Sanders and omalley instead of conservatives
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=474211

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Referring to BLM as "perpetrators" is thoroughly disgusting. This shit has to stop.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Jul 25, 2015, 12:46 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Bernie fans always get a hide from me.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation:
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: We know there are serious racial issues going on. No need to accuse demonstrators of the basest of motives, even if it goes against our preferred candidates.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Seems like an attempt to stir the pro-(anti-clinton) pot, which isn't helpful.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[emsimon33]

31. As the Hillary crowd becomes more and more frustrated

We will see more and more of this type of behavior.

So many recent juries that I have served on recently have had posts that were alerted for the same petty reasons.

Note the misdirection regarding Bernie from this poster, a poster famous for giving out alerts as if they were mints (The last paragraph where the poster dons the garb of victim is very telling):

What do people here say all the time? That thread about if not now, we have to wait until 2024 to save America from corporatism and oligarchy. Voting for Clinton, they insist, is a vote for oligarchy, like society rises and falls based on a president? What complete bullshit. The notion that anyone who doesn't support Bernie is a "corporatist" a "neoliberal" or "neo-con." That only Bernie can save black people, even as those same supporters are denouncing Black Lives Matter as a Koch conspiracy. I see a lot of hyperbole and empty claims from Bernie and bizarrely exalted expectations and insults from far too many of his supporters.

I also listened to that conference call last night to see precisely what he said. He said it's not about me, but then what it was about was getting volunteers to get him elected. To fight the "Koch brothers." To my mind, it's demagoguery, and I don't trust it for a second.

I found this the other day, and it captures much of what I see as behind the Sanders candidacy.

Ordinary workers won’t rise up against ultras because they take it as given that “the rich get richer.”
But the hopes and dreams of today’s educated class are based on the idea that market capitalism is a meritocracy. The unreachable success of the superrich shreds those dreams.
“I’ve seen it in my research,” says pollster Doug Schoen, who counsels Michael Bloomberg and Hillary Clinton, among others. “If you look at the lower part of the upper class or the upper part of the upper middle class, there’s a great deal of frustration. These are people who assumed that their hard work and conventional ‘success’ would leave them with no worries. It’s the type of rumbling that could lead to political volatility.”
Lower uppers are doctors, accountants, engineers, lawyers. At companies they’re mostly executives above the rank of VP but below the CEO. Their comrades include well-fed members of the media (and even Fortune columnists who earn their living as consultants).
Lower uppers are professionals who by dint of schooling, hard work and luck are living better than 99 percent of the humans who have ever walked the planet. They’re also people who can’t help but notice how many folks with credentials like theirs are living in Gatsby-esque splendor they’ll never enjoy.
http://business.time.com/2009/02/04/the-revolt-of-the-lower-upper-class-begins/


I have always known the notion of meritocracy is a lie. The American dream has never been more than an illusion for the majority. This is a nation founded on deep inequality, which is essential to its fabric as a capitalist state. Liberty for some was made possible by slavery for others. The only difference now is that it effects the white upper-middle and middle-class, who in the past benefited from that inequality. Bernie nor his supporters address the profound structural inequality that has characterized this nation from its inception. Instead, they situate it in time recently, just as their privilege has begun to decline. They openly and repeatedly long for the days when the rest of us were denied basic rights and lived in crippling poverty. And we are all supposed to stop everything because they feel a bit of what it's like to live in America.

Sanders base of support is overwhelmingly white, male and middle to upper-middle class for a reason. If I hear one more person prattle on about how $5k a month is so exploitative for interns or an "entry salary" or how hard it is to get by on $150-$250, I'm going to lose it. I do not care how hard it is to get by on amounts of money 90 percent of Americans will never, ever earn. My goal is not to restore them to what they see as their rightful place atop the capitalist world order. They go around insulting everyone who doesn't see the world through their narrow class-and race-bound lens. It's an incredible display of entitlement. The insults toward other DUers, toward the voting public, toward black activists, have made very clear they see far too many as inferior to them. They sure as hell are not getting my help restoring their privilege. Bernie isn't talking about me. He's longing for a time when my family could barely put food on the table, when I was working from age 10 to be able to pay to do laundry and buy school clothes and pencils. Those were the great days of "real Democrats." No. They were not.

[emsimon33]

28. I suspect "they" are going to start swarming after Bernie supporters

I just stuck a stick in the eye of a very angry and frustrated Hillary supporter with a victim complex and suspect that I shall have to lay low for a while as they will probably swarm after me.

As Bernie gains strength, the Hillary crowd will get more and more vicious I suspect. (And the election is over a year away).

DU may just become the domain of Hillary supporters and trolls by no later than January as the rest of us have one post after another hidden until we are banned from DU for simply being Bernie supporters!

Oh well... .

[hootinholler]

30. Would you please self delete?

Two things:

It's meta, and doesn't really have anything to do with Bernie.

Thanks.