Bernie's wing span

[aspirant]

With these #'s is it time to start invoking OUR 50 state strategy?

The campaign tour is expanding to include diversity in the opening or supporting speeches.

Has the moment come for us to begin introducing Progressive Primary challengers in each stop as opening speakers where they exist.

What a wonderful way to turn the tables with Bernie's endorsement being more powerful than the DNC, DSCC and the DCCC.

[TBF]

1. We need the unions -

nurses union was a great start! Loved that Bernie swung through some southwest states (Arizona, Texas and Louisiana) - that showed some spunk. He wants all the votes.

[merrily]

3. Yes, the nurse's union was a great start.

They fought for Medicare for all when Obama took office and, now, they're fighting for Bernie. And they kept me alive.

I LOVE nurses.

[Cleita]

4. Hopefully, teacher's unions will step up to the plate next.

Bernie has good plans for education when he becomes President.

[merrily]

6. .....

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/07/11/hillary-clinton-picks-up-teachers-union-endorsement/?_r=0

[Cleita]

7. That's disappointing. There are others though. eom

[merrily]

17. Disappointing and, according to the parent union, out of line.

Again, a special set of rules.

madfloridian ( I think it was she) posted about a possible protest.

The nurses, though, delighted me.

[Scuba]

2. Hell yes we should be tying progressive candidates to Bernie and his policies!

We need to primary a bunch of corpo-Dems from the left and having them state support for Bernie's positions is exactly the glue that will change Washington.

[merrily]

5. It's tough.

Most people don't get what a phenom Sanders is that he has won office after office and election after election for 32 years without party or much money to speak of.

Normal candidates need a major party and its donors and its media juice. The DNC and the party's most desirable campaigners, including Obama, are all behind Hillary and so is msm.

Guitierrez, for years, a member of the Caucus Bernie founded and still caucuses with, pretended he didn't even know Bernie's name. Guitierrez wants to be the next mayor of Chicago. Think he wants the endorsements of Obama and Rahm, maybe Bubba?

Kamala Harris is trying to go from state AG to the US Senate, something long time Massachusetts politician Martha Coakley couldn't manage without party support, despite a money bomb from Emily's List. Harris endorsed Hillary.

Even though her seat is pretty safe, Warren has been silent and I don't see her endorsing Sanders unless and until he looks like a sure winner. And so on.

My rep's seat is also safe, but he has been on radio saying that, if Sanders is the nominee, the next President will be a Republican. IMO, there is far better chance of that if Hillary is the nominee, but that is beside the point. (It's also a lie or Limbaugh and FOX would be lifting Sanders up, not knocking him down.)

I am not saying it can't happen, but I am saying that we have to be in reality.

Nominee Bernie will have coattails, but candidate for nomination Bernie has an uphill fight. Luckily, he's doing great.

[aspirant]

8. Which reality?

"Normal candidates need a major party and its donors and its media juice. The DNC and the party's most desirable campaigners, including Obama, are all behind Hillary and so is msm."

Would you say this describes Bernie's campaign? Bernie's success is staring us in the face yet some still recommend traditional campaigning? If this is your belief, how will Bernie win?

Wasn't Kshama Sawant a speaker on Bernie's Seattle stop. We need progressive candidates at the local, county, state and federal level and these candidates running for any office should have a voice with Bernie.

[merrily]

12. I don't do well when posted to like I am on trial and you are the county prosecutor.

Nor do I get why you are approaching me that way, do you?


But, okay, to my response.

Which reality?

The reality that what Scuba suggested in his Reply 2, primarying corporate candidates and finding new ones and getting them to run and to support Bernie is tough to accomplish. Do you disagree with that? If so, please elaborate.

"Normal candidates need a major party and its donors and its media juice. The DNC and the party's most desirable campaigners, including Obama, are all behind Hillary and so is msm."

Yep, I posted that, preceded by a statement that indicated that Bernie is not the normal candidate, but a phenom, which you did not quote. It replies to this, from Scuba's Reply 2:

We need to primary a bunch of corpo-Dems from the left and having them state support for Bernie's positions is exactly the glue that will change Washington.

But, which part of the language that you did quote from my post do you actually find to be false or misleading as a response to Scuba or which part of the language that you quoted do you actually disagree with and why?

Would you say this describes Bernie's campaign?

Can't answer. No idea what "this" in your sentence refers to. The language you quoted is expressly about what normal candidates like the ones Scuba was hoping to come up with need to win. It makes no reference to Bernie's campaign.

Bernie's success is staring us in the face yet some still recommend traditional campaigning

?

If "some" in your sentence is intended to include me, please quote the part of my post that recommends that Bernie campaign in a traditional way, or indeed, where I made any recommendation whatever about how he or anyone should campaign.

If this is your belief, how will Bernie win?

Again, no idea to what "this" in your prior sentence refers. My post was not about how Bernie will win.

[aspirant]

15. Phenom vs normal candidates

If Bernie is a phenom, do you think their are other potential Phenoms running as Progressive Primary candidates that could be endorsed by Bernie and given a voice at his campaign stops

Or do you think that Bernie is the only Phenom and all others need the party establishment, big donors, msm, media juice and Hillary's nod of approval?

Are normal candidates traditional Corporadems?

Merrily, if Bernie is a "Phenom&quot non-traditional) candidate and I present a scenario where SUPPORTERS of Bernie are given free speaking exposure on his campaign, why do you include Hillary supporters (Harris and Guiterrez) in the mix?

[merrily]

16. I answered a bunch of your prosecutorial questions in my prior post, after stating my objection to

your approach.

You ignored all my answers and came up with a bunch of new questions. Frankly, this is the kind of posting behavior I have come to expect from Hillary supporters in GD. I don't understand it here.

At this point, I am going to politely decline to answer your new batch of questions. If you have a point to make to me or about me, please make it in declarative sentences.

[Scuba]

11. No one said it would be easy. And I don't think that this is 'cause Bernie's some kind of phenom...

It's simply that he speaks the truth, and the truth is very popular.

[merrily]

14. No one said anyone said it would be easy.

And I don't think that this is 'cause Bernie's some kind of phenom...

There we disagree. He has done unprecedented things on his own.

It's simply that he speaks the truth, and the truth is very popular.

Again, we just disagree. The truth is often very unpopular. You need look no further than this board to confirm that. I can name many people who tell the truth who range from homeless to, even with party backing, forced out of Congress. Moreover, if every indie willing to speak the truth could, just by speaking the truth, do what Bernie has done, Congress would look very different than it does.

As an Indie, Bernie defeated a single candidate backed by both parties to remain Mayor. Then he won a district on his own, against a Republican and a Democrat, without a fortune of his own or huge donations. As a Congressional newbie, he formed the Progressive Caucus and built it to about 100 members. Then he won a Senate seat on his own. Not only that, but he got Democrats to stop running candidates for the Senate against him, became the longest serving Indie in the history of the US Congress. He's gotten amendments and laws passed. He is now running as a Democrat in the Democratic primary and finally forcing media people who acted as though his candidacy did not exist to start writing raving about his events. And he's done it despite everyone, including unreal disruptions. And those are only some of the highlights.

In my view, he is a phenom.

[SoapBox]

9. He can't do it alone.

We are way over due to get rid of worthless, divisive and destructive Pukes and Bagger, at all levels of Federal, State and local governments.

It was years in make this mess and it's going to take time to clean it up.

[aspirant]

10. "He can't do it alone"

That's the reason for US and the Revolution

[Cosmic Kitten]

13. Coattails? Bernie has coattails!