The problem with small crowds...

[Old Crow]

Boom shakalaka! Bernie for President!

[Ichingcarpenter]

1. I guess everyone should see the otherone

the pro Hillary one which makes absolutely no sense

this was a good retort to that one.

[Old Crow]

3. Thanks!

I can't resist fooling around with graphics occasionally. And, yeah, the pro-Hillary one stuck me as off-the-mark, too.

Glad I'm not the only one up at this uncivilized hour.

[deutsey]

4. The original was definitely odd n/t

[Old Crow]

2. If anyone's wondering what the origin of this graphic was...

... it was in response to the graphic below from the opposing camp. All in good fun. No unicorns were harmed in the production of this rebuttal.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=19964

[Divernan]

11. Hill listening to her own staffers at some tiny hole-in-the-wall diner.

Or maybe those were the college young dems chauffered in and given pre-screened questions in advance. And those "Conversations" With Hillary fund-raisers? If they were like the one held near my house, HRC gives the same feel good talk, and then poses for 10 seconds each for one picture with anyone who coughed up $2,700. Move em in, head em out - keep those dogies movin' -Rawhide!

[LiberalElite]

14. I tried to find out the source

- appears to be Twitter. One of those people sort of looked like Chelsea to me.

[Old Crow]

17. You, my friend, are not only funny...

... you're clairvoyant.

So after reading your comment above, it occurred to me to do a Google Search on that image in the pro-Hillary graphic, the one where she's holding a cup of coffee and listening to real voters. You nailed it. It was a pre-arranged meeting back in April of this year at a LeClaire, Iowa coffee shop. In attendance were Austin Bird, a former Clinton campaign intern, Carter Bell, president of the University of Iowa College Democrats, and Sara Sedlacek, of Planned Parenthood of the Heartland.

There's certainly nothing wrong in having a pre-arranged meeting with people involved with and interested in your campaign. But it certainly wasn't any kind of spontaneous sit-down with "everyday Americans," to use Clinton's phrase (since discarded when it fell flat with focus groups). It's more of the staged, insulated, same-old same-old.

[demwing]

23. Is Hillary drinking a latte?

Next she'll be driving a Volvo. I wonder if she's voting for Bernie?

[Divernan]

30. Hill has coffe cup & water/lemon; other 3? Nothing!

Looks like those 3 were bussed in, immediately posed at the table for the picture and then were sent on their way. No water glasses, no coffee - nada.

For all those millions, HRC is so cheap with her staff - makes them pay for their own cell phones and transportation. She's in her private jet, they're on the local Greyhound bus.

[cui bono]

61. LOL... refreshments are extra!

[Helen Borg]

25. Looks very spontaneous to me!

[Divernan]

31. Thanks for the link. I remembered the pic but didn't feel like digging it out.

I can imagine all 3 of those young people, dressed up and desperately thinking maybe they can parlay this meeting into a paying job. But hey, at least they got a FREE picture w/ Hillary - that's a savings of $2,700 each!

Look at the other "normal" people/regular customers in the background - all in jeans, sweatshirts and tshirts. Hillary has her back to them, of course, just like in real life.

[Divernan]

32. Callin' me FUNNY?!?! I'll ban you from the Divernan group!

Only starstruck fangirls and fanboys, who swoon at the very mention of my name, drool with envy & gush over my latest prison orange pantsuit, support me for sainthood and lick the very ground I walk on are allowed to post in the Divernan Group!

Consider yourself warned! ! ! ! !

All minions shall kneel before the great and all powerful Divernan!

(sarcasm/LOL/more sarcasm)

[Old Crow]

33. Ha ha ha. Yeah, you're funny. Guilty of spontaneous funniness.

You're "Move 'em out, RAWHIDE!" quip started me laughing. I could hear the bullwhip in the back of my head.

This thread has had some really funny moments. If you haven't seen it already, look downthread for Merrily's quip (#19).

[Divernan]

37. HRC could use the Rawhide theme song for her campaign song!

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Frankie Laine is dead so he won't tell her to back off. And that "soon we'll be livin' high and wide!" ending is wicked appealing for the corporate welfare queens/one percent backers and hangers' on.

https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=Rawhide+theme+song&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-002

Move 'em out, head 'em up,
Head 'em up, move 'em on.
Move 'em out, head 'em up:
Rawhide.
Cut 'em out, ride 'em in,
Ride 'em in, cut 'em out,
Cut 'em out, ride 'em in:
Rawhide!
Hah! Hah!

Movin', movin', movin',
Though they're disapprovin',
Keep them dogies movin', rawhide.
Don't try to understand 'em,
Just rope an' throw an' brand 'em.
Soon we'll be living high and wide.

[SammyWinstonJack]

35. Ha!

[peacebird]

56. Couldn't she at least have sprung for a coffee for those three?

[Ken Burch]

60. she "doesn't believe in handouts".

[Autumn]

58. Busted

OMG so Hillarish

[peacebird]

51. Thanks, that particular meme is truly a reach, escpecially since the people she hears are a small

Hand picked selection.....

[Old Crow]

52. Spot on--and you're welcome! Check out post #17. (N/T)

[Human101948]

5. I was going to respond to that one but realized I am banned by the Hillary group...

Thanks for the artwork!

[Old Crow]

6. My pleasure.

Shameless plug: Please recommend this puppy so we can get it on the front page, just as their graphic was.

Incidentally, welcome to the club. I'm banned from the Hillary group also ("Proudly banned from the Hillary Group since June 2015" should be my signature line).

[davidpdx]

9. K & R

It is already in the Now Trending section. I suppose that will bring in the trolls.

[LiberalElite]

13. Rec'd and posted to FB nt

[SheilaT]

34. Hah! I was banned from the Hillary group before you were!

The bannings aren't dated, too bad, because I ought to change my sig line to something like that.

Perhaps more to the point, the Hillary group has banned 109 so far, the Bernie group only 103. The Hillary group bans anyone who doesn't just wave the pom-poms and jump up and down enthusiastically, and then complain bitterly about anything negative said about her elsewhere.

[Old Crow]

38. I was initially pretty upset about being banned.

Then I started finding out that... well... practically everyone on here is banned from that group. And after reading some of the material over on HillaryClintonSupporters.com, I began to see the ban as something of a badge of honor.

All that said, I do have some sympathy for the Hillary supporters. They are outnumbered on DU by a wide margin, something like 8-to-1, and they have a lot of people intruding on their safe haven. It stands to reason that they'd have more bans from their group than the Bernie Sanders Group does. In fact, I'm surprised the difference in numbers isn't greater.

Lastly, by way of atonement, I'll even state that my post back in June in the Hillary Group was inappropriate and I regret it. So I'm sorry, you guys, if you are reading this. (In my defense, like so many others, I was responding to an item on the main page and wasn't aware I was in the Hillary Group. I was zapped without a warning. Had I been warned, I would've deleted the offending post.)

[SheilaT]

39. I was initially upset also,

and sent a PM to the group moderator who banned me, but to no avail. I think the worst part about how quickly they ban anyone with the slightest of negative comments, is that they are more and more in an echo chamber, and are going to be genuinely shocked when she loses Iowa and New Hampshire.

My bigger concern is that they will make the PUMAs of 2008 look like moderates.

Oh, and I likewise move through the Main Page of DU, not group by group. It seems as though most people here only visit their favorite groups.

[Old Crow]

40. Interesting thoughts regarding the echo chamber.

That's a huge concern of mine. I get very uncomfortable when I feel I'm surrounded by a cult of personality. I see that fairly often with Hillary supporters. I see it to a lesser degree with Bernie supporters. In all fairness, perhaps I'm a bit blind to Bernie-worship since it's my own camp; I hope not.

One of the watershed moments for me on DU regarding Bernie Sanders occurred a few months back when I posted some concerns or reservations I had about the Sanders campaign here in the Bernie Group. There was a little resistance to discussing sore spots, but in swoops Sabrina, bless her, and she politely addressed all the topics I'd raised non-judgmentally.

One of the best things about the Bernie supporters I know is that they seem issue-focused and not personality-focused. It's a little thing, but I like it that Sabrina uses the figure skates as her avatar, as opposed to the more obvious choice of a Bernie logo. It suggests to me that she's aware of the dangers of over-identifying with a candidate and losing her objectivity.

I share your concern about how the party will heal its wounds once a Democratic candidate is selected. I'll vote for Hillary if she gets it; she has some strengths that I'll try to focus on to take the sting out of it. Naturally, I hope the Hillary fans will be able to do likewise, should Bernie prevail.

[SheilaT]

43. The gun people, on the other hand, are amazingly

tolerant. I frequently post that I think all guns should be confiscated, including in their groups, and while they push back very hard at me, I've never been banned, and a while back I posted a thread thanking them for putting up with me.

[Old Crow]

44. Very interesting to hear.

And nice that you thanked them for their tolerance. Curious. I wonder what it is that makes some groups tolerant of disagreement and others intolerant?

[SheilaT]

45. Here's my guess:

For many of us, our political opinions are very closely connected to our identity.

For many gun owners, probably most of them, the guns are only one small part of who they are, and usually not at all the most important thing. So they have a perspective, even when dealing with someone who is an anti-gun nutcase, that many of us don't when it comes to our politics.

[Old Crow]

46. You may be onto something there.

Although a lot of gun owners seem to regard gun ownership as an intrinsic part of their political views. Thinking about it now, though, those that feel that way are probably far-right conservatives and not hanging out on DU. So, for the gun owners on DU, I think your observation probably holds.

[JimDandy]

48. They have banned 199 so far.

That's 90 more people since you posted!

[Old Crow]

50. Ha ha ha! I'm thinking the other poster had the number wrong.

Then again, the Hillary Group enforcers are quick on the draw. Maybe they have banned an addition 90 people this morning.

[dorkzilla]

7. K&R

Thanks for posting the link to the original Old Crow! It was truly odd.

[Old Crow]

10. You're welcome.

Yes. Odd is the word. I think it seems odd because it's trying, rather desperately, to portray the large crowds that have attended Bernie's appearances as a bad thing. What's this? Large crowds attending your speeches is a bad thing? Why didn't I get the memo?!

And, yeah, I totally get the message of the pro-Hillary graphic: Hillary listens. Well, that's great. Maybe if she listens really hard, she'll figure out what the issues are that people care about so she can get large crowds to attend her events. Of course, then you've got the whole Weathervane Problem, with people wondering if she's saying things because she believes them or is saying them because she thinks it's what they want to hear.

The fact that Bernie has been spending less money but drawing much larger crowds tells me he's already in step with what people care about. In fact, you could make the case he's been there for 20 years and has just been waiting for the people to catch up.

[davidpdx]

8. They embarrass themselves

(and we know who I'm talking about).

The thing is even when she had her "kick-off event" the crowd wasn't at capacity. The overflow area was empty. I'd feel sorry for them, but frankly it's a waste of energy.

[LiberalElite]

12. OMFG -

I looked at the original. Are they fucking kidding? ARE THEY FUCKING SERIOUS?

I just posted there that it was "'pathetic" so I guess I'll be in trouble now. oooooh

P.S. Cha just responded to me that MY post was "pathetic." Sure it is Cha. Just keep telling yourself that.... yeah.

[Demeter]

15. As serious as a Tea Party member

and just as out of touch with Reality.

[SammyWinstonJack]

36. Seem pretty darn serious in that thread. Not sure what they were going for with that.

[demwing]

49. they didn't ban you?

that's amaz-za-zing...

[LiberalElite]

53. They did -

Cha did the honors within minutes. Oh and it's MY post that's pathetic, according to Cha. LULZ!!

I shouldn't laugh. The Hillarians are having a sad. He he.

[demwing]

54. well LiberalElite, welcome to the club!

Not so elite unfortunately, but we're all proud to be included excluded

[LiberalElite]

59. Thanks! See my post #16 re: the ban

Maybe I/we could make tshirts - have the ban notice screen printed or something? It'd be exclusive and one-of-a-kind and all that -a real conversation starter. LULZ

[cui bono]

63. would that be the same

Cha that posted this?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5143928&mesg_id=5146209

There's an even better post of hers where she posted many nasty and negative toons about Hillary, one was really sexist and one called Hillary a "LIAR". Gotta find that one...

And btw... since Cha is a Clinton Caver I feel she is fair game. Oh who am I kidding, she was fair game before that for her attitude alone, and here we see the total and complete hypocrisy. Or is it evolution...

[LiberalElite]

64. I suspect that that

Cha and this one are the same - very weird person.

[cui bono]

65. Here's the post with the toons, although most of them aren't showing up.

The super sexist one is though:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6017420&mesg_id=6018254

[LiberalElite]

16. If I could I would wear this with pride

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[merrily]

18. You have to copy and paste the message. None of us can see in your inbox, although I have

heard that some DUers somehow did spend a lot of time doing that at some point.

[LiberalElite]

20. Thanks! I keep forgetting that part nt

[daleanime]

26. That didn't take long....

[LiberalElite]

28. Nope. It was

BANG! - ZOOM!

[merrily]

19. I, for one, love that Hillary listens to her campaign staffers.

[Old Crow]

21. Omigosh, I am howling here.

And I haven't even had a coffee yet. Zinger!

[Helen Borg]

22. Bernie should be ashamed!

To embarrass Hillary in such a blatant way!

[merrily]

55. He's been attracting crowds of 5,000 to 30,000 just to show her up. How spiteful and sexist!

[daleanime]

24. And I thought it was going to be....

Bring enough rope.

[demwing]

27. Meme-Off! "The problem with big crowds..."

...is that they make the Bankers feel unloved"

[Old Crow]

29. There you go!

If only we had the clarity of purpose of the Icelanders. I want a torch! And a pitchfork, too!

[dae]

41. Stop it!

It's to dam early for me to be LMBArse off!!!

[Old Crow]

42. I'm glad I've started your day off with some fun!

This has been a really interesting thread. Kudos to all the contributors. Some interesting revelations, some really funny quips, and a lot of great thoughts. Rock on, Bernistas!

[JimDandy]

47. I love a good comeback! n/t

[Cheese Sandwich]

57. LOL

funny

[Paka]

62. K&R

The more the merrier. GO BERNIE!

[chervilant]

66. k&r

As much for the comments as the OP.

GO, BERNIE!!!