So, my fellow Sandernistas, what do we do with the MSM after Tuesday night?

[Jack Rabbit]

To make one point clear, I don't it's proper to speak of a "winner" in the "debate." A debate is two people or teams arguing a single topic in a specified format. What we've been calling a "presidential debate" for years, especially during the primary season, is simply a mass press conference where the invited candidates field question from a moderator or another reporter whom the moderator recognizes.

The candidates don't so much "win" as they do what they need to do. For Bernie Sanders, that was introduce himself to many people who have never heard of him until now and make a favorable impression. He accomplished that. Those who think otherwise will have to explain away the focus group results and his increased fundraising since Tuesday night. His performance Tuesday night was a success.

I would also call Mrs. Clinton's performance a "success." She didn't make a complete fool of herself and that is what a front runner needs to do.

She's still not the one making a fool of herself. That's a role being filled by the august members of punditocracy.

It is not that they call Hillary a "winner" that irks me. I'd be OK with that if they also recognized that Bernie also was just as much a winner as Hillary, or, as I suggest, call them both "successes" after Tuesday night.

That, of course, is not being done. We Sandernistas have every cause to complain about media bias right now.

What irks me even more that treating Mrs. Clinton like the only success Tuesday is the orgy of hyperbole that establishment pundits are using to describe Mrs. Clinton's performance. She didn't do herself any damage, but "crushing" and "commanding" are just the oligarchs' fantasies about her performance. Such words do not fit the lady on stage Tuesday night.

I'll admit to being a little biased, too. I think Hillary is the Wall Street banksters' moll and there isn't very much she or anyone else can do to dissuade me of that. Voting for her, even against unsavory lunatic like Trump, will be a difficult thing to do.

However, I am reserving my ire for the media, both print and broadcast. This is the most pathetic performance I seen from them since the run up to start the Frat Boy's Mesopotamian misadventure. They were then behaving like Baghdad Bob and there are now as well. We will never forget how the Iraqi information minister was talking bravado as American tanks rolled into Baghdad behind his back. Our media, like Baghdad Bob, are reporting one thing and using brave words to describe it as we plainly see something quite different happening right behind them.

I really tired of this. Can we think of something to do? Suggestions are welcome, but please make it more effective than hanging a particularly offensive journalist in effigy or sending another to the guillotine (I've already thought of that, and it's not going to happen).

[Demeter]

1. I'm going to ignore them, as usual

They don't deserve anything less. And I'm going to talk to people about Bernie. That is the least we can do; add in GOTV and it should be enough.

Error correction is also fair game, when needed, but arguing with the Faithful is a fool's game and I leave that to those who like that sort of thing.

[99th_Monkey]

18. Last I heard, M$M is "shutting down GOTV every chance it gets.

not exactly sure how that works, but there's another string on that,
related to the debate coverage.

[Kalidurga]

2. I think we do what we have always done.

Keep an eye on them, listen to the propaganda. Don't believe them of course. Question authority and form our own opinions. But, more important keep hammering away with social media. This is kind of a war what people really think and believe vs what the media wants us to believe. We have more people and we have the internet. We can talk to individual people, MSM can't. THere are more of us than them, they just have a bigger microphone. We have Twitter, Facebook, and other social media platforms and human networks. I suggest we use any and every tool at our disposal.

[slipslidingaway]

14. +100 That is what the young folks are doing and many times their voices are not counted in polls ...

many do not have cable, if they have to pay for it themselves.

[frylock]

17. word up

[YOHABLO]

24. We have to stick with progressive sites on the internet, and make sure we support them

so we can get it through the thick headed American public that Corporate Media is supporting their candidate (Clinton) because she has their back. (and vise versa) When CNN tries to censor their own polls and declare Clinton the winner of the debate and likewise on all the other big network channels, (with the exception of Chris Mathews, which is astounding) what can you do? I would suggest that most progressives know that the only way their going to get the truth is to go to alternative sources like DU, like FreespeechTV, like Ring of Fire etc.

[ruffburr]

3. Myself-

A year or so ago I dumped cable for internet tv Roku is what I have but while occasionally for a laugh I will watch some MSM propaganda but mainly free speech tv, Sky news, RTTV, and of course You Tube for news

[Duval]

16. And I also come to DU!! eom

[oldandhappy]

4. I often wonder why people watch the

crazy amount of speculation that passes for 'news' on MSM. When my neighbors complain, I say -- Don't watch! I confess I did watch the debates -- all of them. I watch BBC. I watch Star Trek reruns. I have a friend who watches HGTV hour after hour when she is sick. Maybe we can start the Five Club -- committed to watching no more than five hours of TV in a week. Two of the five families in our extended family have gone off cable. Many choices. But mostly the primary choice is -- do not watch. MSM will notice!

[sulphurdunn]

10. I hear you, but

MSM spins the national narrative on most topics. It is the most powerful and corrupt institution in America. The primary beneficiary of Citizens United is the MSM. It will always carry water for money. Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are media favorites because they represent the most money. You can watch just enough MSM to determine what narrative it is peddling and still retain your sanity. It's only when you assume it will impart something like objective truth that you get into trouble watching it.

[Not Sure]

21. Nailed it!

the crazy amount of speculation that passes for 'news'

So true. I avoid it at all costs. That's what keeps me sane and happy.

[edgineered]

5. We will continue to support Bernie for the D nomination.

The punditry on display since the first debate (read as debacle), along with the coordinated effort by the MSM, the DNC, and Camp Weathervane, is the writing on the wall. The system cannot be trusted to grant anyone but HRH the nomination.

Until now I joked that I would bring a pencil with me to the general election. I now plan on taking and sharing many pencils at the polls; saying I will bring ONE is still a joke.

[senz]

6. I'm going to cancel my NYTimes subscription and tell them why.

At $35 a month, it's expensive, especially since I'm giving several times that to Bernie's campaign every month. Am tempted to give up the cable subscription too.

We can talk up alternative media, provide links, etc., and talk down the MSM, show how biased and unreliable it is.

[Stardust]

36. If you're thinking of cutting the cord, there are a couple of good subreddits on that. I cut the

cord in June and there's still too much stuff to watch. I've cut way down on my tv but still try to catch a couple of programs on MSNBC via the Internet. After that dose of discouragemnt, I'm too tired to change gears and watch anything else. Definitely better for my brain. Someday, I'll be able to ditch Chris Hayes and Rachel, but not just yet.

[zentrum]

7. Would agitating for

….many more debates help do you think.

Call Wasserman-Schultz: 202-863-8000

[bvar22]

8. DURec.

What can we do about the Media Bias toward the Billionaire's candidate?
The answer is....nothing, unless we buy a major outlet.
We will have to accept THIS is the way it is,
and is part of the battle we are fighting.


The news is not all bad.

Because the Bush Administration was obsessed with Iraq, they took-their-eye-off-the-ball in Latin America, and many of these countries were able to throw out their "colonial" governments, and replace them with Left Leaning, Populist governments.
The Media in these countries was completely, 100% OWNED by the Oligarchs, and, like our Media, broadcast their propaganda 24/7
The people spread the word through handbills, local clubs, and community organizations...
They WON with a word-of-mouth campaign, and we can do the same.

Whatever happens with Hillary and Bernie THIS time,
we have already won major battles in the 99% vs the 1% WAR.

The Media is going to support the Billionaire/Wall Street candidates,
and will be able to fool many Americans.
We keep doing what we're doing.....because we are winning the important war (1% vs 99%)
We keep writing LTTE, call ins to shows, using our Internet to expose them, spread the WORD, and let the pieces fall where they may.

Whatever happens THIS election won't make or break my life or my political goals.
I will remain a Mainstream/Center FDR New Deal Democrat no matter who gets elected.

I am delighted that our Party seems to be experiencing a Populist revolution.
We have even forced Hillary start at least sounding like a Democrat.
All we have to do is keep the ball rolling.

[stillwaiting]

9. Few people trust the mainstream media these days it seems, but even with that said...

... the media still have tremendous power. They can still manufacture consent with the ideas that they want to impress on their viewers (even with some of them that don't trust the media).

It is clear that the media is going full court press to try and crown Hillary the only worthy Democratic nominee running for President. This is the agenda. They will attempt to pound it in to their viewers heads over and over, and they could very well be successful.

We'll see when the next round of polling comes out.

All we can do is try our best. Using social media to expose the media, exposing the media's agenda to our friends and family (many of which don't trust the media and might be open to our perspective on what's happening and our perspective just might open their eyes and change their minds).

We can't give up, and we can never stop educating others and trying to persuade others to our point of view because the media propaganda outlets will never stop. Of this we can be sure. They're not going to let Bernie win without a hell of a fight.

[DrBulldog]

11. The national poll published today included a large majority who did not even see the debate . . .

. . . but READ ABOUT IT IN THE MEDIA.

So you can easily imagine how when one reads a headline "Hillary Crushes It" it is very likely that person will select Hillary on a poll question. The MSM did a tremendous amount of undeserved damage to Bernie, far more than I had ever expected. When 21 internet polls and 3 focus groups and Google analytics ALLl show the landslide for Bernie - and yet the very next national poll actually has Hillary increasing her lead - it makes you wonder how powerful the MSM is in controlling our thoughts and hiding the truth.

[99th_Monkey]

19. That's an important and tell-tale point, like asking "what did M$M tell you happened in the debate?"

will get a very predictable response, which is exactly what they want.

[Ed Suspicious]

12. Back in the day we used to use fanzines to spread the word

About new bands and punk shows. Maybe we could start publishing independant political fanzines. Just a silly idea.

[Kalidurga]

34. good idea

[dreamnightwind]

13. Good question. What I would like to see:

is an internet-based alternative to the MSM. I see it as a battle for the content being displayed on the main TV/monitor in the average family's living room.

I hate the MSM as much as anyone, but even I, as I sit here typing, have my TV on in the background, running MSM with disgusting Chris Matthews and what passes for conventonal wisdom blaring into my space. It keeps me informedd on what is going on in the real world, but as we all know, its perspective is largely that of its owners. Totally sucks.

I had a decent alternative till Google ruined it. I have a "smart DVD player" that has apps that stream content to my TV/monitor. The old Youtube app used to stream new programming from my Youtube channel subscriptions, which was a pretty decent MSM alternative.

Unfortunately after Google bought Youtube they invalidate the old Youtube app oon these devices, and brught onlie a new Google Youtube app that doesn't operate in the same way. It mixes in ads (at much greater volume, ruining it), and somehow won't stick to streaming new content from subscribed Youtube channels, instead jumping around to "recommended" videos based o what they see as my interests. Totally sucks, it often throws in things I would never watch, and adds them to my Youtube watch history, etc.

Anyway, it's all there on the internet, we just need a conveniently streamed aggregator of clips from our preferred sources. No ads. If it intersperses recommended content, that should either be highly customizable or it should be able to be disabled.

I say the proper app that would run on smart TV's, DVD players, phones capable of casting the content to the TV, or the like, could fully repllace the MSM in people's living rooms. Maybe this already exists and I'm not aware, but if it does it has yet to establish itself as an available choice in the average home's viewing area. It needs to, and it would change everything.

The last thing I will add is that I think the concept of streaming clips is where it's at. I usually do other things while I "watch" and don't bother to browse around to different websites to click on clips to watch. It needs to just effortlessly come at me based on what I tell it I am interested in. A "keep in touch" featire would also be great, so you could say "devote 20% (configurable) of content to current events from these acceptable sources" and it would throw in what's hot at that moment every once in awhile, or likewise a "contrary view" feture where it would mix in a configurable percent of content from sources you don't agree with but would like to keep tabs on.

[Stardust]

37. Haystack is an app that casts to Chomecast. They let you choose which network you prefer for news,

but they seem to ignore that and slip in Faux News Channel once in a while. I wrote to one of their developers and he apologized, said it was YouTube that interjected FNC, but Haystack is working on improving that aspect of it.

[jalan48]

15. Stay on message with Bernie.

If Hillary wins the Presidency the problems Bernie points out with the system won't go away-they will probably worsen. People who at least hear the message now may be much more receptive in a few years when things are worse-unless you buy into the trade agreements are the answer, trickle down theory.

[Ford_Prefect]

20. I find a touch of Fire and Brimstone is very tempting...

I will inquire at the local coven as to possibilities.

[waldo.c]

22. Bloggers for Bernie

What if every Bernie supporter set a discipline of writing to at least one media outlet per day, digital or print, in support of Bernie's campaign or to point out and correct the disingenuous, misleading and biased reporting (and non-reporting) that we see every day. Can we 'Santorum' Fox?

Can we assist his political revolution starting now by building networks, linking blogs and contacting appropriate media sources and influential community organisations and our local political representatives, spreading the news of Bernie's campaign for a better America?

Can we set up 'message bombs' targeting the media outlets that will inevitably try to sabotage Bernie's campaign?
Can we suggest to influential bloggers that they get on board the 'Honesty in Politics train' and add their not inconsiderable influence to the cause. (I've been dropping 'subtle' hints to Driftglass; does anyone else have a favourite blogger that they're prepared to (oh so subtly and politely) lobby?

Can we set up a forum for ideas, strategies and working groups for the purpose of saturation inter-tubing of the message? Is there anyone good at photoshop who would make this



(or similar) Bernie's Train to a Better America?

[senz]

32. Excellent suggestions, waldo.

I love your ideas.

Someone (Armstead? Rhett o rick?) suggested flash mobs to get Bernie's name out there through public performances. Maybe flash mobs could undermine various MSM outlets?

Also flyers, graffiti (being careful, of course), concerts ...

There used to be blog rings, blogs connected by common interests ... maybe there still are? A "political revolution" or "media revolution" ring or something similar?

Driftglass has always been death on David Brooks, so we know he's plugged in to certain conventional media.

[Stardust]

38. Driftglass is great!

[Bernin4U]

23. MSM: Less Relevant Every Day

They won't be gone tomorrow, but their days as status quo are definitely numbered.

[Geronimoe]

25. I turned it off over 20 years ago

Even when I had free cable, I couldn't stand watching TV news because it is merely propaganda.

I watched the debate, Bernie won on policies. You'll note MSM is not talking about Hillary's policies, rather they suggest she won on being polished and appearing knowledgeable. Romeny was polished. It doesn't translate into votes.

The biggest activity on the internet was about Bernie, during and after the debate. He did well enough that people want to learn more about him.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

26. According to the polls the public doesn't trust the media....

I don't freak when I hear them bloviate.

Especially since they predicted 2008 was going to be Hillary vs Rudy.

[orpupilofnature57]

27. Connect the dots , ask when the last time M$M, told the truth, anything that would inform, educate

enlighten, or inspire you to be anything but ,angry, scared or apathetic ? Who promoted the idea of WMD's more than M$M, nobody , why ? the MIC, 1% and M$M are all in cahoots with each other, and we're the enemy .

[SmittynMo]

28. It's all fixed

Do not trust MSM at all costs. They are bought by the 1%. Therefore you are forced to view the news that is approved by the 1%. And now CNN, who has contributed heavily to the Clintons, claims Hillairy as the dominate winner? CNN then deleted poll data and comments, at their site? Do you think this was slightly shaded in her direction? Yep, I'd say so. This is what an oligarchy looks like. Everyone knows who won. We have 5 more to go. Lets see what happens at the next debate. Next,,,,,,,

I look at it this way. I know who won. Most people do. That's all that matters. He obtained coverage. In fact, 15M in coverage. A lot more that 29K in a stadium. Prior to the debate, his MSM coverage was limited. It will continue that way, until we the people in this revolution are heard. It's coming. And soon. Votes are the all that matter when it comes to the general and primary. We need to keep this train going forward. Do not let the nay sayers get to you. I refuse to let all these lies get to me.


Bernie is the chosen one. We must support him as much as we can as I fear we will never get this opportunity again to save our democracy. All anyone wants is the truth and a fair chance in life. Bernie is that man to help us make the American dream true again.

[ladjf]

29. Good post! Keep up the fight. nt

[WillyT]

30. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

[tularetom]

31. Any contact I might have with the MSM is strictly on my terms

I havent gotten a newspaper since they doubled the price of my home delivery a couple years back. I haven't had cable or network TV since last spring when I took the dish down. If I want to know what the MSM has to say about any subject I can look them up.

So they are no longer a factor for me. I can make my own decisions independent of bullshit from them (I always did anyway but now I don't even have to listen).

I don't think there's anything you can do. They are losing their grip anyway and making themselves irrelevant without any help from us. Just leave them alone.

[CentralMass]

33. I dumped cable months ago..

[n8dogg83]

35. I think the best way we can get around the nonsense spewed by the MSM is.....

to start a letters-to-the-editor campaign to our local papers. If we could get tens of thousands of Bernie supporters to write in to their local papers with their reasons for supporting Bernie Sanders or extolling how well he did at the debates, I think that could have a powerful effect. I think people take more to heart the stories told by their neighbors than they would some rich pundits on the MSM. Also, coordinating a letter writing campaign every time there is some false memes or smears being spread around about Bernie might also be a good idea. Just my two cents.

[JEB]

39. Vote your conscience. That'l show 'em.

[Babel_17]

40. Call them out, then capitalize on their behavior (nt)