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Tue Nov 3, 2015, 09:49 PM

 

Who saw Chris Hayes' interview with Bernie tonight?? Re: More USA 45-54 y.o. dying than anywhere

Chris asked Bernie about his upcoming appearance on Rachael's MSNBC Dem. Candidates Forum, and
they discussed how the disappearing middle-class theme of Bernie's campaign relates to this new study,
finding that 45-45 year olds are DYING in the USA at a much more rapid rate than in any other major nation,
and how this in turn relates to USA's obscene degree of income inequality, a central plank in Bernie's bid for
POTUS.

Anyone else see this interview? Anyone remember a guy named James Lardner? He was talking about
this stuff back in the 90's, but then -- for reasons unknown to me -- somehow dropped into total obscurity,
even though he was starting to get attention for findings of a fascinating study he did on income inequality,
and how it strongly correlates to the incidence of cancer and heart disease.

When I google James Lardner, I only get a list of random articles where he is footnoted, and a book of his
called "The Growing Economic Divide in America and its Poisonous Consequences" which seems to be out
of print. http://rrp.sagepub.com/content/41/4/570.short

Anyone else following this interesting thread? Talk to me. PMs are most welcome

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Reply Who saw Chris Hayes' interview with Bernie tonight?? Re: More USA 45-54 y.o. dying than anywhere (Original post)
99th_Monkey Nov 2015 OP
Fawke Em Nov 2015 #1
99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #2
SoapBox Nov 2015 #3
Stevepol Nov 2015 #7
Admiral Loinpresser Nov 2015 #8
LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #11
MisterP Nov 2015 #4
eridani Nov 2015 #6
cantbeserious Nov 2015 #5
Enthusiast Nov 2015 #10
Enthusiast Nov 2015 #9
leftcoastmountains Nov 2015 #12
99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #13

Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Nov 3, 2015, 10:34 PM

1. Shit... I'm 45.

Reason No. 325,158 why I (and everyone else) should vote for Bernie.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 3, 2015, 10:58 PM

2. My gf is 48

 

but she could relate.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Nov 3, 2015, 11:15 PM

3. Wasn't it whites in that age range?

With implication of drugs, alcohol, organ failures and, well, whatever else is killing them?

Thank goodness I'm way older.

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 4, 2015, 05:08 AM

7. Not a big age range it seems to me.

45-45?? Maybe that could more easily be written as just 45, more "45-year-olds" dying.

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Response to Stevepol (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 4, 2015, 07:53 AM

8. I believe that's a typo.

45-54.

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 4, 2015, 09:46 AM

11. Stress. The men in that age group cannot provide for their families like their dads did.

The constant fear of being layed off. The fear of loosing the home, loosing the family. Everything around them is going to hell. Most don't see any future at all. Even as bad as they have it, they see it worse for their children.

I saw a whole department (when I was working) get told how great they did on getting a project done. I heard the director tell them them to take the Christmas holidays and go somewhere fantastic and get ready for the new year. When they came back in January they were told that the department has been abolished and everyone was layed off.

Stress.

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Response to MisterP (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:55 AM

6. From PNHP--

Rising morbidity and mortality in midlife among white non-Hispanic Americans in the 21st century

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2015/10/29/1518393112.full.pdf

This paper documents a marked increase in the all-cause mortality of middle-aged white non-Hispanic men and women in the United States between 1999 and 2013. This change reversed decades of progress in mortality and was unique to the United States; no other rich country saw a similar turnaround.

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Midlife increases in suicides and drug poisonings have been previously noted. However, that these upward trends were persistent and large enough to drive up all-cause midlife mortality has, to our knowledge, been overlooked. If the white mortality rate for ages 45−54 had held at their 1998 value, 96,000 deaths would have been avoided from 19992013, 7,000 in 2013 alone. If it had continued to decline at its previous (1979‒1998) rate, half a million deaths would have been avoided in the period 1999‒2013, comparable to lives lost in the US AIDS epidemic through mid-2015. Concurrent declines in self-reported health, mental health, and ability to work, increased reports of pain, and deteriorating measures of liver function all point to increasing midlife distress.


Comment by Don McCanne of PNHP: In recent years concerns have been raised about the increases in death rates from prescription pain medications, but the magnitude of the problem was not recognized until this landmark study was released yesterday. Midlife deaths from poisonings with alcohol and drugs or from suicide of white, non-Hispanic men and women in the United States have skyrocketed since 1999. Morbidity likewise has increased in this group.

The intensity of the problem can be easily visualized by clicking on the link above and looking at Figure 1. The mortality curve of US white non-Hispanics, ages 45-54, is moving upward as the curves for US Hispanics and for residents of six other wealthy industrialized nations are continuing downward.

Although the other nations have more egalitarian, accessible and affordable health care systems, that alone cannot explain the differences since Hispanics in the United States have not seen this same isolated increase in mortality.

The authors suggest that the decline in economic security that began in the early 1970s may be an important factor. Not only have wages stagnated, but retirement security has diminished with a shift from defined benefit to defined contribution pension plans. Lack of higher education has been especially associated with this phenomenon of higher mid-life morbidity and mortality.

A single payer system would help by improving access to preventive health, mental health, and drug treatment services. But we need to do more. We need public policies that distribute the gains in productivity to the workers rather than to the rentiers, plus tax policies that reduce the injustices of income and wealth inequality. We need to ensure adequate education opportunities for all, including industrial arts and training for the service industries, along with assurances of adequate incomes in those fields. In general, we need policies that serve the social good.

To do that we need political leaders who are dedicated to the health and welfare of the people and who would enact policies to ensure that. We need to displace our current political leaders who have dedicated themselves to supporting the military-industrial complex (through more warfare), the medical-industrial complex (through prioritizing support of insurers and pharmaceutical firms above the interests of patients), and the rentiers of Wall Street who are redistributing wealth from the masses to the magnates.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:08 AM

5. The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Are Hell Bent On Systematically Maximizing Their Wealth

As a group they could care less the consequences of these actions.

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 4, 2015, 08:47 AM

10. Precisely.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Nov 4, 2015, 08:46 AM

9. I believe, due to outsourcing, a large number of people in the 45-54 demographic

have essentially lived their entire working lives without decent paying jobs and without job security.

I can only speak for myself but when my livelihood was threatened it was the most distressing time in my life. It was something that affected me deeply. This was something that happened several times during my working life and entirely due to the reckless policies that started under Reagan.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Nov 4, 2015, 11:11 AM

12. Unfortunately

I came in at the end of interview. But it did look like a good one.
Probably should be able to find it today.

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Response to leftcoastmountains (Reply #12)

Wed Nov 4, 2015, 11:44 AM

13. The interview is up on msnbc website, but there's no way yet to link it

 

directly, my browser only says msnbc.com/ with no direct link to it?

Hopefully it'll be on youtube soonish.

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