Tue Nov 17, 2015, 08:39 PM

SEIU members are mad as hell over their Union leaders endorsing the Wall St. candidate.

https://m.facebook.com/SEIU/reviews?refid=17

Once again, Union leaders did the opposite of what members wanted. Have a read. The members are NOT happy.

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SEIU members are mad as hell over their Union leaders endorsing the Wall St. candidate. (Original post)	in_cog_ni_to	Nov 2015	OP
Well, ^THIS^ explains a LOT. Answers my post at another OP	99th_Monkey	Nov 2015	#1
Yep! Once again, the Union leaders were	in_cog_ni_to	Nov 2015	#8
I hope there is a HUGE, open and well-organized insurrection by the membership	99th_Monkey	Nov 2015	#10
SEIU members will stand up and be heard.	in_cog_ni_to	Nov 2015	#15
Let's see if the leaders of the union claim those against it are management shills....	Spitfire of ATJ	Nov 2015	#27
A few of us at my workplace are considering droppkng	AllyCat	Nov 2015	#28
This is going to be used against HRC in the primary-it'll backfire	dorkzilla	Nov 2015	#44
I figured as much-	LiberalElite	Nov 2015	#2
Thankfully, the Union boards are small!	in_cog_ni_to	Nov 2015	#11
I just responded to an OP in LBN trumpeting this	LiberalElite	Nov 2015	#3
Yeah,	in_cog_ni_to	Nov 2015	#12
Wow, just wow.	onecaliberal	Nov 2015	#4
This is why it always look like the underdog can't win what with all the endorsements.	LiberalArkie	Nov 2015	#5
What they're trying to do is make people think	in_cog_ni_to	Nov 2015	#13
Nothing is going to change the HRC supporters mind. Nothing is going to change the Tea-Parties mind.	LiberalArkie	Nov 2015	#19
Millennials are in it for Bernie.	in_cog_ni_to	Nov 2015	#21
Unsubscribed from their email announcing it, where they offered a "reason" box	rabid_nerd	Nov 2015	#6
I did that too. Considering stopping COPE payments	AllyCat	Nov 2015	#29
So did I	Pastiche423	Nov 2015	#46
ANYone can post on a facebook page...	nc4bo	Nov 2015	#7
Whoever told you that	in_cog_ni_to	Nov 2015	#14
Oh I've got my own personal feelings about that mess.....	nc4bo	Nov 2015	#16
What "some" members wanted. nt	Agnosticsherbet	Nov 2015	#9
What the HUGE MAJORITY of members want. n/t	in_cog_ni_to	Nov 2015	#20
So you took a vote?	Agnosticsherbet	Nov 2015	#23
Judging by the comments on that thread and over on Twitter	Fawke Em	Nov 2015	#24
More than two million members, but people complaining on twitter make a majority?	Agnosticsherbet	Nov 2015	#36
Well, it's more than a handful.	Fawke Em	Nov 2015	#38
no they aren't. I was union leadership and I did bupkis without polling the unit.	roguevalley	Nov 2015	#39
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Nov 2015	#17
This primary is a 'c o n t e s t' and they members should show their displeasure	ViseGrip	Nov 2015	#18
I agree! They should let their voices be heard! n/t	in_cog_ni_to	Nov 2015	#22
I know a couple that are FURIOUS.	Spitfire of ATJ	Nov 2015	#25
Wow. Two.	aquart	Nov 2015	#30
This is such a rerun of '08.	Spitfire of ATJ	Nov 2015	#32
amazing that the undemocratic actions of officers should be greeted so blasely by	roguevalley	Nov 2015	#41
It's done in a way that would out-snob the Romneys too.	Spitfire of ATJ	Nov 2015	#43
I used to belong. I am mad too	roguevalley	Nov 2015	#26
Feeling the "BURN" yet??	calguy	Nov 2015	#31
Seems the reality is that many unions' leaders are endorsing HRC while	Fawke Em	Nov 2015	#40
Well, their discontent has made the news:	Fawke Em	Nov 2015	#33
They emailed me about something else (as I am a member) and I	bkkyosemite	Nov 2015	#34
This seems to be a BIG problem.	Fawke Em	Nov 2015	#35
Out of all the comments, I only count two pro-HRC!	MrMickeysMom	Nov 2015	#37
Wash, rinse, repeat. nt	Flying Squirrel	Nov 2015	#42
K&R! Those are awesome!	Enthusiast	Nov 2015	#45

Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Tue Nov 17, 2015, 08:43 PM

99th_Monkey (19,326 posts)

1. Well, ^THIS^ explains a LOT. Answers my post at another OP

here:http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=822547

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 17, 2015, 09:04 PM

in_cog_ni_to (41,600 posts)

8. Yep! Once again, the Union leaders were

Either,
1. Bought off
2. Threatened by the machine

Either way, they voted against what members want. SEIU membership is huge, so this endorsement is meaningless. Members are NOT voting for the Wall St. Candidate.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 17, 2015, 09:09 PM

99th_Monkey (19,326 posts)

10. I hope there is a HUGE, open and well-organized insurrection by the membership

to organize to redirect SEIU's membership to vote FOR Bernis!

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 17, 2015, 09:27 PM

in_cog_ni_to (41,600 posts)

15. SEIU members will stand up and be heard.

I doubt they take this sitting down. It's a pretty low blow by their Union leader.

PEACE
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BERNIE

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 17, 2015, 11:20 PM

Spitfire of ATJ (32,723 posts)

27. Let's see if the leaders of the union claim those against it are management shills....

When that doesn't work they will claim those who oppose their decision should go through a loyalty test.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 17, 2015, 11:20 PM

AllyCat (14,490 posts)

28. A few of us at my workplace are considering droppkng

Our COPE payments and giving it directly to progressive candidates.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 18, 2015, 07:39 AM

dorkzilla (5,141 posts)

44. This is going to be used against HRC in the primary-it'll backfire

Even for the disinterested members, they'll hear all about the controversy and suddenly start paying attention and they'll come out to vote for Bernie.

How many union members trust "leadership" anyway? I sure as shit didn't when I was in one; they took my money and I got bupkis in return. Most of us viewed them in that regard.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Tue Nov 17, 2015, 08:44 PM

LiberalElite (14,691 posts)

2. I figured as much-

it's played out this way numerous times in this election. Interesting that the "leaders" repeatedly go for Her in defiance of their members' wishes. DAMN!

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Response to LiberalElite (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 17, 2015, 09:09 PM

in_cog_ni_to (41,600 posts)

11. Thankfully, the Union boards are small!

No match for the Bernie supporting members! Bernie will win. All these bogus endorsements are doing is pissing people off and making them even MORE resolved to vote for Bernie! They're so stupid.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Tue Nov 17, 2015, 08:50 PM

LiberalElite (14,691 posts)

3. I just responded to an OP in LBN trumpeting this

posted the FB link. I probably should brace for contact from the Swarm.

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Response to LiberalElite (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 17, 2015, 09:14 PM

in_cog_ni_to (41,600 posts)

12. Yeah,

The Hillpac is out in full force! We all know these Union leaders endorsements mean jack squat! The MEMBERS will be voting for Bernie. He's a force to be reckoned with and TPTB know it! That's why they're BUYING endorsements.

PEACE
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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Tue Nov 17, 2015, 08:51 PM

onecaliberal (29,963 posts)

4. Wow, just wow.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Tue Nov 17, 2015, 08:51 PM

LiberalArkie (15,129 posts)

5. This is why it always look like the underdog can't win what with all the endorsements.

So the leaders go and cast their 1 vote and the members go and cast their thousands of votes for a different person. I wonder what the difference would be in the outcome.

On Edit: The leaders know that HRC would hold it against them if they said Bernie and a decision would be Wall Street or labor. They also know that Bernie knows how the game is played and won't hold it against the unions.

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Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 17, 2015, 09:23 PM

in_cog_ni_to (41,600 posts)

13. What they're trying to do is make people think

Bernie can't win. Luckily, Bernie has the INTERNET behind him. People aren't falling for these bogus UNION LEADER endorsements. They know they Aren't representing what the hundreds of thousands of members want. People are onto the game. They also know what DWS and her corrupt DNC are doing. They now know the CORPORATE OWNED MSM is working for their Corporate Owners - CNN exposed that when they deleted their polls and proceeded to shill for the Wall St. Candidate.

The Internet changes EVERYTHING.

PEACE
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BERNIE

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 17, 2015, 09:56 PM

LiberalArkie (15,129 posts)

19. Nothing is going to change the HRC supporters mind. Nothing is going to change the Tea-Parties mind.

Nothing is going to change Bernies supporters mind. But that still leaves the Independents and the people who normally vote 'R' but who are scared to death of one of the fruitcakes getting in office.

And then the great unknown of the young voters.

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Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #19)

Tue Nov 17, 2015, 10:10 PM

in_cog_ni_to (41,600 posts)

21. Millennials are in it for Bernie.

The Majority if them support Bernie and WILL vote. They're on Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, Instagram, Spotify, etc... They LOVE Bernie and will do everything they can to get hi elected.

MY concern is the electronic voting machines. I'm hoping the TECH GENERATION, the Millennials, have those covered and stop any thievery from camp Wall St.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Tue Nov 17, 2015, 08:52 PM

rabid_nerd (2,408 posts)

6. Unsubscribed from their email announcing it, where they offered a "reason" box

I said because they endorsed Hillary

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Response to rabid_nerd (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 17, 2015, 11:22 PM

AllyCat (14,490 posts)

29. I did that too. Considering stopping COPE payments

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Response to rabid_nerd (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 18, 2015, 08:49 PM

Pastiche423 (15,406 posts)

46. So did I

I am not even in a union, but have taken action on some of their issues. This felt like a slap in the face.

Glad to know so many members do no agree w/management.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Tue Nov 17, 2015, 08:55 PM

nc4bo (17,651 posts)

7. ANYone can post on a facebook page...

And one doesn't necessarily have to be a union member to do it so all these comments are completely meaningless....or so I was told.

I was even told that the number of Sanders supporters in the union were practically microscopic.

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 17, 2015, 09:25 PM

in_cog_ni_to (41,600 posts)

14. Whoever told you that

is Delusional! The 99% is NOT voting for the Wall St. Candidate. That's a fact.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #14)

Tue Nov 17, 2015, 09:33 PM

nc4bo (17,651 posts)

16. Oh I've got my own personal feelings about that mess.....

the votes of the few vs. the votes of the many is what it will boil down to.

I should have put a

but figured many, many people know what the deal is.

I have a feeling, establishment Dems are going to piss off so many people that their efforts will backfire in epic proportions.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Tue Nov 17, 2015, 09:05 PM

Agnosticsherbet (11,619 posts)

9. What "some" members wanted. nt

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 17, 2015, 09:59 PM

in_cog_ni_to (41,600 posts)

20. What the HUGE MAJORITY of members want. n/t

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 17, 2015, 10:21 PM

Agnosticsherbet (11,619 posts)

23. So you took a vote?

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #23)

Tue Nov 17, 2015, 10:48 PM

Fawke Em (11,366 posts)

24. Judging by the comments on that thread and over on Twitter

many who say they're members are pissed about the endorsement.

The prudent thing for these unions is probably to wait until there is a nominee if there is that much division in their ranks regarding the primary candidates.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #24)

Wed Nov 18, 2015, 12:15 AM

Agnosticsherbet (11,619 posts)

36. More than two million members, but people complaining on twitter make a majority?

They union leader ship is elected to make those decisions.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #36)

Wed Nov 18, 2015, 12:55 AM

Fawke Em (11,366 posts)

38. Well, it's more than a handful.

It's made the news.

http://www.ibtimes.com/election-2016-key-labor-union-endorses-hillary-clinton-defying-rank-file-critics-2188461#.Vkv1P8eL3IE.twitter

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #36)

Wed Nov 18, 2015, 12:56 AM

roguevalley (40,656 posts)

39. no they aren't. I was union leadership and I did bupkis without polling the unit.

this is a bone tossed to the officer's candidate without a consult with the units. Again.

RV, former state and local president, vice president, secretary, labor council delegate and member of five unions over my work life. I am AFSCME now in retirement.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Tue Nov 17, 2015, 09:54 PM

ViseGrip (3,133 posts)

18. This primary is a 'c o n t e s t' and they members should show their displeasure

They should campaign with signs out front of her office. They should not be afraid, if she's the nominee, that they 'ticked' her. If they lay down and continue to take this, they have been neutered by the 'establishment leadership' in line with the corporate democrats. ENOUGH!

As Bernie says....ENOUGH! It's the workers union, and it's their choice.
My opinion is they should campaign outside of her offices daily, nightly, in the cities of IA.

Bernie said, we need a revolution. We really need the unions to stand up, if this is not what the majority wants.

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Response to ViseGrip (Reply #18)

Tue Nov 17, 2015, 10:13 PM

in_cog_ni_to (41,600 posts)

22. I agree! They should let their voices be heard! n/t

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Tue Nov 17, 2015, 11:15 PM

Spitfire of ATJ (32,723 posts)

25. I know a couple that are FURIOUS.

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Tue Nov 17, 2015, 11:28 PM

aquart (69,014 posts)

30. Wow. Two.

I am impressed.

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Tue Nov 17, 2015, 11:50 PM

Spitfire of ATJ (32,723 posts)

32. This is such a rerun of '08.

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Wed Nov 18, 2015, 12:57 AM

roguevalley (40,656 posts)

41. amazing that the undemocratic actions of officers should be greeted so blasely by

people who say they believe in democracy. This is BS pure and simple.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #41)

Wed Nov 18, 2015, 01:30 AM

Spitfire of ATJ (32,723 posts)

43. It's done in a way that would out-snob the Romneys too.

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Tue Nov 17, 2015, 11:15 PM

roguevalley (40,656 posts)

26. I used to belong. I am mad too

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Tue Nov 17, 2015, 11:28 PM

calguy (4,150 posts)

31. Feeling the "BURN" yet??

Reality is a bich sometimes, but sooner or later reality will hit you in the ass.

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Wed Nov 18, 2015, 12:56 AM

Fawke Em (11,366 posts)

40. Seems the reality is that many unions' leaders are endorsing HRC while

the membership prefers Bernie.

I've posted some examples below.

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Tue Nov 17, 2015, 11:52 PM

Fawke Em (11,366 posts)

33. Well, their discontent has made the news:

Election 2016: Key Labor Union Endorses Hillary Clinton, Defying Rank-And-File Critics

The move is not without controversy within the union’s ranks -- and the labor movement at large. The service workers’ union has poured millions into the so-called Fight for 15, a protest-driven campaign that has helped pass $15 hourly minimum wages in Seattle, San Francisco and Los Angeles and shifted the national debate over what constitutes an adequate federal pay floor, currently $7.25 an hour. But during the most recent Democratic debate, Clinton criticized a proposed $15 nationwide minimum, calling instead for $12. Both her opponents, Martin O’Malley and Bernie Sanders, support $15 an hour.

Many SEIU members prefer Sanders, including Rand Wilson, a staffer for the union's Massachusetts-based Local 888 and founding member of the grassroots network Labor for Bernie. Wilson jokes the union should rename the campaign the “Fight for 12.”

“It’s important to support the candidate who’s supportive of our objectives,” he says. “It’ll be hard to continue to support a candidate who supports $12 an hour when there’s a viable one who supports $15. It’s awkward for leaders and organizers to explain that to people they’re working with, to low-wage workers, it’s awkward.”

Wilson predicts the move will generate backlash against the leadership. Sanders is seen as a more passionate defender of the union’s broader agenda.

http://www.ibtimes.com/election-2016-key-labor-union-endorses-hillary-clinton-defying-rank-file-critics-2188461#.Vkv1P8eL3IE.twitter

Now, HRC's fans can't say it's a bunch of non-members on Facebook.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Tue Nov 17, 2015, 11:58 PM

bkkyosemite (5,792 posts)

34. They emailed me about something else (as I am a member) and I

emailed them back and stated I was for Bernie Sanders and not to endorse Clinton. Of course they didn't listen.

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Wed Nov 18, 2015, 12:12 AM

Fawke Em (11,366 posts)

35. This seems to be a BIG problem.

Here, AFSCME president Lee Saunders gets message from members about Bernie after they endorsed Hillary:

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Wed Nov 18, 2015, 12:39 AM

MrMickeysMom (20,453 posts)

37. Out of all the comments, I only count two pro-HRC!

It doesn't surprise me. I wonder if their actions can result in a drop of membership. I'd love to see it. That's solidarity with the workers... Tell the SEIU to take a hike.

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Wed Nov 18, 2015, 01:16 AM

Flying Squirrel (3,041 posts)

42. Wash, rinse, repeat. nt

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Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:14 PM

Enthusiast (50,983 posts)

45. K&R! Those are awesome!

Go, Bernie!

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