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Here we go - the beginning of the probable end. Clinton Foundation Audit.

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Shaky Foundations

The Clintons’ so-called charitable enterprise has served as a vehicle to launder money and to enrich family friends.

By Ken Silverstein

After endless delays and excuses, the Clinton Foundation released its 2014 tax return as well as amended returns for the previous four years and an audit of its finances. That fulfilled a pledge made last April by Clinton Foundation acting CEO, Maura Pally, who acknowledged that the foundation had previously made a few unfortunate accounting “mistakes.”

Journalists are going to be scouring through this new financial information and pumping out “balanced” stories that evade what is already evident, namely that the Clintons have used their foundation for crass profiteering and influence peddling.

If the Justice Department and law enforcement agencies do their jobs, the foundation will be closed and its current and past trustees, who include Bill, Hillary, and Chelsea Clinton, will be indicted. That’s because their so-called charitable enterprise has served as a vehicle to launder money and to enrich Clinton family friends.

It is beyond dispute that former President Clinton has been directly involved in helping foundation donors and his personal cronies get rich. Even worse, it is beyond dispute that these very same donors and the Clintons’ political allies have won the focused attention of presidential candidate Hillary Clinton when she served as Secretary of State. Democrats and Clinton apologists will write these accusations off as conspiracy mongering and right-wing propaganda, but it’s an open secret to anyone remotely familiar with accounting and regulatory requirements for charities that the financial records are deliberately misleading. And not coincidentally, those records were long filed by a Little Rock–based accounting firm called BKD, a regional auditor with little international experience. <snip>

http://harpers.org/blog/2015/11/shaky-foundations/

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 09:09 AM

1. The 1% Serving The 1%

eom

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:43 PM

151. Yes, and not giving a damn about the rest of us

'Course I guess we are just peons.

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:48 PM

203. And nothing will become of this

...Did any banking or Wall St. investment mgr. go to jail for the Trillions that was swindled/ Hillary is safe for a few million in question..she is safe.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 09:19 AM

2. ..

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Response to wendylaroux (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:40 AM

18. That's what I was thinking.

I also wondered if these potential allegations had anything to do with Hillary's radical pivot to the right. [img][/img]

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #18)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 04:25 PM

107. Please explain - I can't follow the argument/logic

 

Thanks!

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Response to swilton (Reply #107)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 06:32 PM

123. It probably isn't all that logical. Just speculation.

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Call it a gut feeling.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #123)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:31 PM

148. Just FYI, there is only one prophetic, Nostradamus-like GUT, and it belongs to Michael Chertoff.


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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Reply #148)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:38 PM

149. Fantastic! I remember it well. Never missed Keith. But now I do.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #149)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:59 PM

157. me too, he was the best

It is my continuing hope he will come back, somewhere.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #123)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:46 PM

152. The pivot to the right is a wind sock move.

She thinks the majority of Americans are more freaked out by the tragedy in Paris and are all for another war.

But it is true that this pivot to the right hit Obama as well. Why, we wonder? Did someone sit him down and have a little talk with him about what the bankers and other oligarchs would and would not permit?

Because this ISN'T that far fetched.

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Response to swilton (Reply #107)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:47 PM

202. One money-laundering expert claims...

that the Clinton Foundation is a "professionally structured money-laundering operation".

A Canadian charity called the Clinton Giustra Enterprise Partnership—which is run by one of Bill Clinton’s close friends, Frank Giustra—has been moving significant sums of money into the Clinton Foundation’s flagship in New York. There’s no way for the public to know precisely how much total money the CGEP has taken in over the years—or how much it has forwarded on to the Clinton Foundation—because, unlike in the United States, under Canadian non-profit law charities don’t need to report donors to tax authorities. Earlier this year, after being severely criticized by the Canadian press, the CGEP released the names of twenty-four of its donors, but more than 1,000 are still unknown. (CGEP wrote in an email that “going forward (it) will publicly disclose all future donors.”)

The Clinton Foundation’s list of donors on its website puts the CGEP in the top category of $25 million-plus, however a financial-industry source who has seen the relevant records estimated that the figure is at least $33 million. According to Ortel that number is certainly understated. “There are no effective controls over the Clinton Foundation or the Giustra entity,” he told me. “No independent party has had access to the bank account records, including wire transfer records. There are no independent directors ensuring compliance with the law. Only a fool would have any confidence in their numbers; it’s like Al Capone forming a foundation.”

One money-laundering expert and former intelligence officer based in the Middle East who had access to the foundation’s confidential banking information told me that members of royal families in Middle Eastern countries, including Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates, have donated money to the CGEP that has then been sluiced through to the Clinton Foundation. He added that the CGEP has also received money from corrupt officials in South Africa during the regime of Jacob Zuma and from senior officials in Equatorial Guinea, one of the most brutal and crooked dictatorships in the world. “Equatorial Guinea doesn’t give to the Clinton Foundation in New York because it’s too embarrassing,” he said. “They give the money anonymously in Canada and that buys them political protection in the United States. The Clinton Foundation is a professionally structured money-laundering operation.”

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 09:19 AM

3. It was the place to stash political operatives for the Hillary Campaign

 

Keep them fed, watered, connected, and hone their skills.

I think those operatives merely got fat and lazy. In their own little bubble, removed from the rapidly changing reality, they are not even trying to catch up.

Instead, they are desperately trying to "create their own reality". In the words and fashion of Kkkarl Rove:

The aide (Rove) said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore." He continued "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Karl_Rove

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Response to Demeter (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 02:13 PM

98. Yup, they kept them well-cared for while she ran for President.

Even while she was serving in the Senate and in Obama's administration as SOS.

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Response to Demeter (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:06 PM

161. This makes sense to me.

I was having brain whiplash when I skimmed this - something along the lines of, "No, they're not that stupid." But stockpile, feed and water operatives? Hmmm.... Now that I think of it, I just bet. Caveat - based on nothing except my cumulative observations of politics and human nature.

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Response to Demeter (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 21, 2015, 02:30 AM

208. So arrogant. Yet, every Empire has fallen. They are unsustainable so Rove's aide is simply

repeating history while thinking they are so smart. There are so many characters like that throughout history. Some 'died in their beds' but many others were held accountable for their actions.

I read recently eg, that Colin Powell's Aid, Col. Dickerson said that what Cheney fears the most is that he will be prosecuted for War Crimes.

This is why they crack down hard whenever the people show signs of rising up against them. See OWS eg.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 09:21 AM

4. GREAT READ. They're getting up to BFEE levels. I didn't realize corruption was that bad. n/t

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 09:48 AM

5. If you play with fire,

sooner or later, you get burned.

I mean Berned!!!

Feel the Bern baby, feel the Bern.

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Response to SmittynMo (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:58 AM

28. You know it!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 09:51 AM

6. Why am I not suprised?

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Response to peacebird (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:59 PM

205. A "mistake? - my ass.

 

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Response to 840high (Reply #205)

Sat Nov 21, 2015, 08:16 AM

220. Like they couldn't afford to have a CPA on the payroll.....



But I guess they figure no one will do anything because he's ex pres, and she was Obama's Sec of State....

Sadly they may br right.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 09:53 AM

7. I need to take a shower now

I feel so gross just reading this. I’m sure the Swarm will post a well thought out rebuttal in GD-P. I think it will say something something desperation something something Nurse SUPERPAC something something 9/11 women.

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:06 AM

9. LOL! word for effing word!

They cannot defend this and Clinton Foundation investigations will be even MORE intense than Whitewater - should Ms. Wall St. Candidate make it to the WH...which is highly unlikely. If this investigation is still going on by February, she'll certainly lose NH and Iowa. People are not going to vote for a candidate who could possibly be indicted....this is different than a personal affair. It's fraud.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:52 AM

24. I saw the same story at Zero Hedge yesterday

I didn't want to post it because I haven't yet figured out whether they're a credible source, and I see it cites that same Free Beacon story. But the writer does also refer back to an earlier story of their own, and I've quoted that part below.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-19/exposed-%E2%80%93-clinton-foundation-running-20-million-private-equity-firm-colombia

The details of these financial dealings remain murky, but this much is clear: After millions of dollars were pledged by the oil company to the Clinton Foundation — supplemented by millions more from Giustra himself — Secretary Clinton abruptly changed her position on the controversial U.S.-Colombia trade pact.

Having opposed the deal as a bad one for labor rights back when she was a presidential candidate in 2008, she now promoted it, calling it “strongly in the interests of both Colombia and the United States.” The change of heart by Clinton and other Democratic leaders enabled congressional passage of a Colombia trade deal that experts say delivered big benefits to foreign investors like Giustra.

The details of her family’s entanglements in Colombia echo talk that the Clintons have blurred the lines between their private business and philanthropic interests and those of the nation. And Hillary Clinton’s connections to Pacific Rubiales and Giustra intensify recent questions about whether big donations influenced her decisions as secretary of state.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:37 AM

44. Buyer's Stockholm syndrome?

"how can anyone calling themselves a progressive or a liberal vote for her?"
Buyer's Stockholm syndrome?

On edit: wrong concept buyer's remorse vs buyer's Stockholm syndrome.

Also see choice supportive bias.

Links:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-purchase_rationalization

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choice-supportive_bias

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Response to Post removed (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:16 PM

63. I read the whole link last night. Her campaign has two

choices: allow a complete investigation or be tarred with a broad brush. The article gives just enough details that this demands an investigation. And again it is her own fault - the information in this article comes from corrected tax returns for the last 8 years.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #63)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 06:44 PM

126. her first impulse is to fort up

she will not release things because its against her nature. after all the years of fighting idiots, she has become one too. It is always the cover up and the delaying that make the meme, not the truth. Even if she is not guilty of anything, she makes herself look like one by stalling and hedging. She should have released the entire email mess and it would have ended sooner but that is not who she is.

fortunately

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #126)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 06:55 PM

134. Yeah that is what I am trying to say. This has to be completely

over by the time of the general election and in fact if not faced now it will also be important in the primary. Kerry who was totally innocent of the swiftboating charges did not answer and many think he lost because he did not answer.

That is going to happen to her also if she does not face up to this. And it cannot be a little blurb here and another there. She needs to ask the FBI and IRS to look into this NOW.

And while I support Bernie, I am not knocking Hillary here. I want her to clear this up for her sake and for those of us might have to vote for her in the general.

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Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #17)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:17 PM

74. Yeah well...

If you ask ANYONE in Chappaqua, at least up to a few years ago, it was an open secret that while Hillary was in DC old Bill was Rogering about a blonde woman agent in the area. They were VERY open about it. I’m not moralizing at all (I met Bill...as he spoke to me I could feel my clothes peeling themselves off. He’s VERY charismatic and sexy in person) just making the point that after all that stupid Monica Lewinsky BS he’s still prone to this kind of behavior. I personally don’t care, whatever arrangement they’ve made in that regard is completely their business but it just backs up your assertion.

Hmmmm I wonder how long it will take till this is alerted on.

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #74)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 05:06 PM

111. Shame on you, stripping in front of the President! I cannot say how deeply disappointed I am.

I thought we had a clear understanding that you would strip only for your husband or me!

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Response to merrily (Reply #111)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 05:10 PM

113. Sorry Merrily, I will make sure I only use my tassels when I strip for you

I’m so ashamed of myself. When my husband comes home I will tell him I need to be spanked!

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #113)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 05:45 PM

117. Good Lord! Is that what you think this is about? Tassels? Oh, dorkzilla!







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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #113)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 06:38 PM

125. Here I'm seriously considering the latest revelations, all aghast/ grateful

 

and you get me laughing like an idiot!

Life is too complex.

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Response to senz (Reply #125)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:02 PM

136. heheheh - its the weekly Dorky & Merrily Show!

and the funny thing is only ONE of us drinks. And its not Merrily.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:42 AM

20. ...

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #20)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 05:07 PM

112. LOL! Have you been saving up that jail cell emote for this?

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Response to merrily (Reply #112)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 06:30 PM

122. No. I found it here....

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #122)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 06:37 PM

124. Thanks!

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #20)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:19 PM

145. Nice smiley Enthusiast, nice smiley.

May have to borrow that

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #145)

Sun Nov 29, 2015, 05:41 PM

238. You are welcome to it.

I found it here under the "sad" group. http://cosgan.de/smilie.php?wahl=14&ziel=musik

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #20)

Sun Nov 29, 2015, 03:47 PM

237. TY, you made my day with that jail cell emoticon.

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Response to mother earth (Reply #237)

Sun Nov 29, 2015, 05:42 PM

239. We have to laugh or we would be sad.

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:48 AM

22. something something desperation something something Nurse SUPERPAC something something 9/11 women.

 

Don't forget



And


"Why, oh why do you haters hafta hate?????"

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #22)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:50 AM

23. LOL, yeah how could i forget those!

and a variation of BERNIE CAN’T WIN THE GENERAL! YOUNG PEOPLE DON’T VOTE!

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #23)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:48 PM

154. Don't forget "The polls! THE POOOOOLLS!"

 

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #154)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:09 PM

162. SOCIALIST!!!!!! RED COMMIE BASTARD!!!!!

POLLS! WOMEN!!! NINE FUCKING ELEVEN!!!!!

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #22)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 06:44 PM

127. Gotta throw in a reference to poll numbers too n/t

 

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #22)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 06:45 PM

128. cat on a twinkie. LOL

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #128)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:03 PM

137. cat on a twinkie. LOL

 

Floating in space, no less.

From http://www.omgcatsinspace.com

Love this site.

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:18 PM

143. Something, something....

you made me snicker.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 09:55 AM

8. Holy shit. Looks like the intersection of greed, stupidity, and hubris.

And a gift to the Republicans.

Now can we just sent her away and have a real candidate?

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:07 AM

10. PLEASE!

That's what should be done, but not with DWS running the election.

PEACE
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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:11 AM

11. They'll just dismiss it as another pseudo-scandal

And indeed, it may turn out to be one, like emailgate or BENGHAZI!!!11eleven

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Response to nxylas (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:33 AM

14. Yeah, I really hope there's nothing there....

This is the sort of thing ex-presidents SHOULD be doing. I don't want to believe that the Clinton Foundation is a cesspool.

We'll see.

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Response to beerandjesus (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:53 PM

156. The Clintons accumulated personal wealth of $80 million since leaving the White House.

The luxury, boutique, Family Foundation was intricately involved via quid pro quo "donations" from corporations and third world governments/political interests. Just read the scathing New York Times expose on the hot, mis-managed mess known as the Clinton Foundation.

We're not talking Jimmy & Roslyn Carter working on Habitat for Humanity houses.

That transfer of wealth thingy has been very, very good to Bill & Hillary.

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Response to beerandjesus (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:36 PM

200. I heard it was a cesspool years ago

back when Clinton and Bush teamed up to shill "for Haiti" and did next to nothing for Haitians with the millions, or perhaps even billions that they raised.

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Response to arikara (Reply #200)

Sun Nov 22, 2015, 01:36 PM

228. I thought Obama teamed them up?

I was ticked because it accorded Dimson cred he would otherwise not have had.

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Response to merrily (Reply #228)

Sun Nov 22, 2015, 03:00 PM

230. I didn't remember that Obama was the instigator of that horror show

but I sure do remember hearing how little of the millions, something on the order of 6% of what they raised actually made it to the Haitian people who needed it. And they used some of that to invest in the construction of a fancy hotel with the excuse that it would employ a couple hundred people when it was built... this while people were starving to death and dying of cholera. And its probably not necessary to mention how well paid they and all their support staff were for scamming the donors and Haitians but I will anyhow.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:29 AM

13. Oh nutz, you mean if I

don't personally support this corruption than somehow I am a rightwinger conspiring against a true progressive? Well at least that's the way some will explain away the inconvenient facts. Do they really think that the right and the independent minded middle in this country are going to let this kind of stuff go in the GE?

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Response to humbled_opinion (Reply #13)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:37 AM

16. Republicans are making a List and checking it twice. no text

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Response to DhhD (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:30 PM

70. Exactly. We will not have to take sides in this issue. It will

be investigated and for that matter if I were Hillary and Bill I would want it investigated - open windows let in fresh air. This started because they did not include everything in the last 8 years of tax reports - voters are going to want to know why.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:41 AM

19. she shoulda already been on the slope

 

http://warisacrime.org/hillary

and about halfway down it by now

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:46 AM

21. jury results from the alert on this thread, I guess it makes some uncomfortable

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
Mail Message
On Fri Nov 20, 2015, 02:25 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Here we go - the beginning of the probable end. Clinton Foundation Audit.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128075899

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

rwnj crap.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Nov 20, 2015, 02:32 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Agree with the alerter. RW CT crap.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No worse than suggesting Clinton might be "indicted" for emails. Challenge assertions in a response.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: sorry I just posted another story about the foundation to glowing accolades this alert is abusive
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It raises legitimate, if inconvenient, questions about the Clinton foundation. Even if there's nothing to the accusations, we shouldn't just pretend this doesn't exist.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #21)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:57 AM

27. So not only are they alerting anything that doesn’t flatter her highness...

They’re also alerting in the FUTURE! Look at the timestamp!

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 02:32 PM

No WONDER they’re so cocky! They can see the future!

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #27)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:01 AM

30. lol!

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Response to fleabiscuit (Reply #41)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:10 PM

60. You can't.

Posts of jury results usually come from jurors.

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #27)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 05:45 PM

116. It's part of their strategy to alert on everything and hope some of it sticks. There

 

is nothing to prevent it. I think we know who here uses "rwnj" in his alerts.

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #27)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:25 PM

146. so...

something, something...ALERT!...something, something...trudge back to the cave for more guano

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Response to Fairgo (Reply #146)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:04 PM

159. Ed Zachary

That’s Ed Zachary the thing they do. Wonder what the Bat Signal is to get them back to the cave? Who is their Commissioner Gordon?

something something POLLS something women something endorsements...

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #21)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:38 AM

45. Someone altered on this????

GMAFB!

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Response to Hepburn (Reply #45)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:09 PM

58. My guess is that it is GMT, not the future. n/t

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Response to eggplant (Reply #58)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:55 PM

72. I was being cheeky...

I forgot -

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #72)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:31 PM

81. Sorry, it's been a rough week here.

And this is exactly the sort of thing I have to explain to people all the time.

No worries.

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Response to eggplant (Reply #81)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:41 PM

85. It's okay!

I know your intent was to be helpful! I was just like "oh and look...they're alerting from their Tardis"!

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #85)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 06:13 PM

120. My first thought was "who the fsck would forge a jury decision?"

It would actually be a pretty funny way to avoid getting alerted on!

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #21)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:13 PM

62. They said it was Right Wing Nut Job crap?

It's in HARPER'S, for Pete's sake, and written by the guy who started CounterPunch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Silverstein

Ken Silverstein is an old-fashioned, let-the-fact-speak-for-themselves journalist.

Right wing?

The Hillbots are out of their league on this one.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #62)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:56 PM

73. Seriously girlfriend

Can we alert on the alert?

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #73)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 05:49 PM

118. I wish, but don't think it would do any good. If it's who I think it is, they alert while on

 

time out. There seems to be nothing that can be done.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #62)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 02:03 PM

97. yes, they are.

they're out of their league when it comes to any rational thinking on the candidate — and that's really too bad. we don't need rabid partisans. we need clear thinkers and people who are ready and able to do what's required to take back power for working families and regular folks.

i guess that's what really grinds my gears about the candidate wars here. it shouldn't be about one's celebrity icon. it's about OUR shared identity. the HRC camp treats their candidate like a pop star who is beyond reproach. that's dysfunctional.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #62)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:14 PM

164. Yeah, I was going, "Whaa?"

Then I saw, "Harper's," and I was going, "WHAAAAAA????????"

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #21)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 04:39 PM

108. Thanks for posting that.

They make me laugh! All the crap they post against Bernie, they alert on this.

They HATE SUNSHINE.

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #21)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 06:46 PM

129. The alerter just outed themselves

 

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:52 AM

25. Good God!

 

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Response to AzDar (Reply #25)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 04:44 PM

110. I know, right?

Is it ever going to stop?
NO! Not until the Clintons are run out of town and politics forever.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:53 AM

26. Well, the Rupukes got all the mileage they could from Benghazi

Now they have another dog to beat for a year. Expect a select Congressional committee for hearings on this.

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Response to packman (Reply #26)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:01 AM

31. Right, nominate Hillary say hello to President Trump...

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Response to raindaddy (Reply #31)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:08 AM

35. Funny, they like the “scientific” polls that show her ahead of Bernie BUT

they say zip about all the polls that show her losing to the GOP candidate and Bernie WINNING against all GOP candidates.

Seems though since she’s already starting her hawk-ward approach to the Right she’s REALLY confident that she’s got this in the bag.

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #35)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:45 AM

51. There's that old song that goes....

 

You gotta accentuate the positive - an' eliminate the negative - latch on to the affirmative and don't mess with Mr. In Between!

This is the theme song of the Coronation Chorus.

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #35)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:57 AM

55. The GOP will wait until she's the nominee then call for an investagation...

and campaign on Clinton corruption and their Foundation money laundering...

She might be able to beat Trump in a best case scenario.. But she can't win a general election in the midst of a scandal...

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Response to raindaddy (Reply #55)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 09:03 PM

180. Exactly...its sleezy crap like this that...

Makes everyone but those Dems star struck with the thought of The. First. Woman. President. Evah! To, at the very least, distrust and ,at the most, hate HRC.

I have a very bad feeling that, if she's the nominee, we are going to lose the WH, which will be a disaster.

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Response to raindaddy (Reply #55)

Sat Nov 21, 2015, 02:50 AM

209. That's the plan, raindaddy. It's been obvious from the beginning.

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Response to packman (Reply #26)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:36 AM

43. Actually, this will be the FBI and IRS, not Congress.

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Response to Cassiopeia (Reply #43)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:11 PM

61. Congress is free to butt in too. (nt)

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Response to packman (Reply #26)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:42 PM

71. And their starting evidence is corrected tax reports for the

last 8 years. The explanation for the corrections was "a mistake".

Like it or not voters have a right to more info than that.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #71)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:17 PM

168. Really.

Seriously, is that right now the entire explanation? (Haven't read the article yet - guess I should go do that now.)

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Response to SusanCalvin (Reply #168)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:19 PM

170. It was when the article was written.

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Response to packman (Reply #26)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:39 PM

83. And if these things are proven true they then have their

evidence for impeachment. And there are some real issue in this article. She needs to deal with this out in the open now.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #83)

Sat Nov 21, 2015, 06:49 AM

213. Talk about making history! Co-presidential impeachment proceedings.

Two for the price of one.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:59 AM

29. If this was Sanders this would be the lead story on every major network

and it would be the first thing to come out of Clinton's mouth at her next campaign stop....

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Response to raindaddy (Reply #29)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:05 AM

33. You know it...which is why Hillary has to make shit up to throw at Bernie to distract from her disastrous campaign.

Go Berrrnnniiiieeeee!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

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Response to raindaddy (Reply #29)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:18 PM

169. Yep. We need sauce for the goose. nt

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:04 AM

32. Harper's consistently called out the w administration

They pull no punches and are consistently well-sourced. This is not merely a RW attack, but we can expect it now that this ammunition is out there.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:05 AM

34. Hillary traded State Dept favors for contributions & speaking fees

http://www.salon.com/2015/05/31/the_cash_donations_hillary_simply_has_no_answer_for_partner/
Federal law designates the secretary of state as “responsible for the continuous supervision and general direction of sales” of arms, military hardware and services to foreign countries. In practice, that meant that Clinton was charged with rejecting or approving weapons deals — and when it came to Clinton Foundation donors, Hillary Clinton’s State Department did a whole lot of approving.

While Clinton was secretary of state, her department approved $165 billion worth of commercial arms sales to Clinton Foundation donors. That figure from Clinton’s three full fiscal years in office is almost double the value of arms sales to those countries during the same period of President George W. Bush’s second term.
(snip)
During Hillary Clinton’s 2009 Senate confirmation hearings, Republican Sen. Richard Lugar said the Clinton Foundation should stop accepting foreign government money. He warned that if it didn’t, “foreign governments and entities may perceive the Clinton Foundation as a means to gain favor with the secretary of state.”

The Clintons did not take his advice. Advocates for limits on the political influence of money now say that Lugar was prescient.

“The word was out to these groups that one of the best ways to gain access and influence with the Clintons was to give to this foundation,” said Meredith McGehee, policy director at the Campaign Legal Center.


http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187
As Hillary Clinton presses a campaign for the presidency, she has confronted sustained scrutiny into her family’s personal and philanthropic dealings, along with questions about whether their private business interests have colored her exercise of public authority. As IBTimes previously reported, Clinton switched from opposing an American free trade agreement with Colombia to supporting it after a Canadian energy and mining magnate with interests in that South American country contributed to the Clinton Foundation. IBTimes’ review of the Clintons’ annual financial disclosures also revealed that 13 companies lobbying the State Department paid Bill Clinton $2.5 million in speaking fees while Hillary Clinton headed the agency.

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Response to Ino (Reply #34)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:22 PM

66. yup. Feb report: Clinton foundation received up to $81m from clients of controversial HSBC bank

 

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/10/hillary-clinton-foundation-donors-hsbc-swiss-bank

The leaked files have now been obtained through an international collaboration of news outlets, including the Guardian, the French daily Le Monde, CBS’s 60 Minutes and the Washington-based International Consortium of Investigative Journalists.

Another Clinton foundation donor who had a HSBC account in the tax haven is Jeffrey Epstein, the hedge fund manager and convicted sex offender who once flew the former president on his private jet for charity events in Africa.

Caring arranged for 18th century Russian costumes, borrowed from the Hermitage Museum, to be tailor-fitted for each guest at the event at Catherine the Great’s Winter Palace. Photographs from the event in November 2005 show Bill Clinton, dressed as a Russian general, partying with other VIP guests such as Elizabeth Hurley. Entertainment was provided by Tina Turner and Elton John.

HSBC notes on Caring’s accounts contain an instruction to “transfer [$1m] to Bill Clinton’s Foundation as a contribution following his involvement in the Charity Function [Caring] organised at the end of November”.


Another client of HSBC Geneva to donate to the Clinton foundation is Denise Rich, the ex-wife of the late billionaire and commodities trader Marc Rich, who fled to Switzerland in 1983 after being indicted by US authorities for tax evasion, fraud and racketeering. Mark Rich was was controversially granted a presidential pardon by Bill Clinton just hours before the former president left office in 2001.

The total sum donated by Giustra is unknown but could be significantly more than the minimum $50m the foundation indicates comes from his foundations, including the Vancouver-based Radcliffe Foundation.

He is on the record as having donated $31.1m to the foundation in 2007 and, later that year, pledged a $100m commitment to tackling poverty in conjunction with the Clinton foundation. Giustra’s generosity has earned him unique access to Bill Clinton, making him one of an elite handful of philanthropists who have accompanied the former president for overseas charity events.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #66)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:20 PM

75. How VILE are these people?

I mean I always knew Hillary was duplicitous but I never thought they’d be this barf-inducing. Yuck.

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #75)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:17 PM

167. Barf inducing...indeed! Sleazy...

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #66)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 02:17 PM

100. HSBC, who was charged with money laundering for South American drug cartels.

Paid a fine and got a slap on the wrist for it.
One and the same.

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Response to Ino (Reply #34)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:21 PM

172. And the moral of this story is

That there should be no such thing as a sitting government official, elected or appointed, with a "foundation."

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:10 AM

36. The BernieBros borrow talking points memos from the Trump campaign

Stay classy guys, as your man sits ~20 down in the polls.

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Response to Tarc (Reply #36)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:24 AM

37. Harpers and Salon in the tank for Trump?

 



and, btw, Zerohedge hates all the pols!

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #37)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:28 AM

38. Yep

 

When all else fails, try to discredit the source...deflect, deflect, deflect.

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Response to MissDeeds (Reply #38)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 06:52 PM

133. instead of trying to tar the vehicle

Try and explain the contents. They never do. If Jesus had a newspaper or magazine, they would pillory it too.

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Response to Tarc (Reply #36)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:39 AM

48. ...

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Response to Tarc (Reply #36)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:39 AM

49. Whaaaaaaaaaaa???

These people are tRump supporters out to discredit Hillary?

You are kidding, right?

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Response to Tarc (Reply #36)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:42 AM

50. And this is a protected group.

Maybe you should take your own advice.

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Response to Tarc (Reply #36)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:53 AM

54. The Clintons were corrupt shills long before Trump...

...was running for President.

Setting that aside for a minute, doesn't your point ensure that Hillary will fail in the General Election?

Republicans can't stand her. I can't think of a more hated politician than Hillary, as far as the Republicans are concerned. She's not getting any of their votes.

At least 40 percent of our own Democratic party is down with the fact that she's bought off by Wall Street, the fracking industry, the defense contractors, the for-profit prison system and other powerful interests.

Our party would be missing something if Hillary is our nominee--enthusiasm. Voter turnout would be low. She's no Obama. And the Progressives in our party would not be as motivated to vote for her.

But go ahead, keep degrading us and calling us "BernieBros"--in an attempt to mischaracterize who we are. I'm a middle-aged woman from the suburbs, and everyone in my book club is voting for Bernie. You don't represent your candidate of choice very well.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #54)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:50 PM

92. +1000000

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Response to Tarc (Reply #36)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:04 PM

57. What the hell are BernieBros?

It sounds like it implies all Bernie supporters are men.

lame!

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Response to TIME TO PANIC (Reply #57)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:23 PM

67. Well, we have Bernie undies.

Maybe we need some Bernie Bras for us female Bernie supporters.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #67)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:22 PM

76. BOOBS FOR BERNIE!!!

I think this is a GREAT idea!!!

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #76)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 06:50 PM

131. That idea has my full support!

 

Pardon the expression

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #131)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:04 PM

138. Support!! LOL!!!

Let’s doooooooo eeeeeetttt. A whole line o’unmentionables for the Bernie Girls!

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #76)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:20 PM

171. I don't want to be called a Bernie Boob. Do you?

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Response to Tarc (Reply #36)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:18 PM

64. Well, as of this morning, it's 16 down, nationally.

Which is fine - we don't vote that way. But that his trajectory is heading up and up is fine with me.

He's ahead again in New Hampshire and I haven't seen a legitimate poll out of Iowa in several weeks (those Monmouth polls were atrocious in their methodology).

But, as has been already pointed out to you, Harper's is hardly something Trump would cite and Ken Silverstein is no one ANY Republican would cite: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Silverstein

Please do try to keep up. Google is your friend.

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Response to Tarc (Reply #36)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:30 PM

147. That's an amusing non-sequitor

How's this for another,

"You must mean the old Same Place, its around back. Here's the key."

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Response to Tarc (Reply #36)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:24 PM

173. Harper's is a Berniebro? Who knew? nt

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:30 AM

39. "If...

the Justice Department and law enforcement agencies do their jobs"

that's a very big IF.

I wouldn't hold your breath.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:34 AM

40. I'm not swallowing one article of innuendo as the definitive truth on this

I like Bernie better than Hillary but I'll wait for more evidence. Let's be careful here.

In recent posts, I did raise my similar concern and I have seen things that smell with this Foundation. And whether there's something more there or not, the Republicans are likely to have a field day of nasty ads. For them, this article is ill timed. It would have been better to have come after she gets the nomination.

Anyway, this comes with the territory if Clinton is the candidate into the general election. I fear they're going to skewer her.

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #40)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:01 PM

56. this has been simmering for a long time. it's going to boil over right about now

 

Bill Hillary & Chelsea Clinton Foundation is on Charity Navigator's Watchlist
Here's why:

On February 19, 2015, the Wall Street Journal reported that as secretary of state, Hillary Clinton "was one of the most aggressive global cheerleaders for American companies, pushing governments to sign deals and change policies to the advantage of corporate giants such as General Electric Co., Exxon MobilCorp., Microsoft Corp. and Boeing Co." The article goes on to state that "at the same time, those companies were among the many that gave to the Clinton family's global foundation set up by her husband, former President Bill Clinton." The article says that "at least 60 companies that lobbied the State Department during her tenure donated a total of more than $26 million to the Clinton Foundation, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis of public and foundation disclosures."
The article also states that "corporate donations to politically connected charities aren't illegal so long as they aren't in exchange for favors. There is no evidence of that with the Clinton Foundation. [...] All of the companies mentioned in this article said their charitable donations had nothing to do with their lobbying agendas with Mrs. Clinton's State Department."
https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.profile&ein=311580204

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #56)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:20 PM

65. I agree that this has been simmering for a long time

This 2009 story bothered me when I tried to check it out
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/04/washington/04clinton.html?_r=0

The Benghazi-email thing, it didn't seem to have much substance but it damaged her favorability substantially.

This Clinton Foundation stuff? It look far worse in terms of the potential to damage her candidacy. Give that narrative to Karl Rove/James O'Keefe, whether they have a legitimate point or not, and watch what happens. To me, it potentially spells "P-R-E-S-I-D-E-N-T R-U-B-I-O"



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Response to Jarqui (Reply #65)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:26 PM

68. Benghazi was a sideshow/distraction. This is real and not in the hands of Congress

 

And the real journalists have been digging and following it for years.

It doesn't need Rove or any other political operative.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #68)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:24 PM

77. It may well not need Rove or any other political operative.

But that won't stop them from weighing in. No quarter by the GOP.

If the mainstream media take it up, find substance and really go after her, it doesn't matter what Rove & Co do, Hillary's aspirations for the White House are toast.

So if it's going to happen, I'd like to clear the air before Bernie gets thrown under the bus because in states where he's really been campaigning and getting known, he's doing pretty well in the head to head match ups.

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #77)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:49 PM

90. This has to be dealt with now because we have only a while

before the first primary elections in 3 states. The rw media will make a big enough uproar to force the MSM to look into it. Once this was published in Harpers I don't think there is any way to stop it now. And I do not want to stop it. This needs to be cleared up or taken care of before the general election.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #90)

Sat Nov 21, 2015, 04:41 PM

226. ....! Yes it does...but...

Last edited Sat Nov 21, 2015, 05:57 PM - Edit history (2)

Clinton Foundation's problems have been reported on for years now...but, it never goes anywhere because the IRS/Justice Dept. needs to look into the financing. There's not really any pressure for them to do so. And, the Repugs have shown themselves as fools over the Benghazi e-mail hearings and can't get their act together to find a Presidential Candidate so they aren't going to be looking into it.

So who will investigate it now when it matters?

See Post #227 re Guardian Investigation last February. There have been other investigations going back to Haiti when Clinton Foundation along with Bush Foundation gave money after the disaster and nothing was built but one hotel. Investigations from Politico Reporters and other about other parts of the Foundation. But....goes nowhere. If it somehow explodes, by some chance, once she's the nominee after the Convention....it won't be good.

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #65)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:48 PM

153. Be more cheerful about it...

 

P-R-E-S-I-D-E-N-T-S-A-N-D-E-R-S

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Response to senz (Reply #153)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:10 PM

163. I LIKE that cheerfulness!

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #56)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:27 PM

174. "Bill Hillary & Chelsea Clinton Foundation is on Charity Navigator's Watchlist"

"All of the companies mentioned in this article said their charitable donations had nothing to do with their lobbying agendas with Mrs. Clinton's State Department."

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.......

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #40)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:27 PM

79. I’m starting to wonder if some well-placed GOP operatives sniffed this in the wind...

and this is why they’re already said “impeachment day 1”. I hate those fuckers (the GOP) but DAMN who wants THIS SHIT hanging over a newly-elected president? President Obama was squeaky-clean and look what they did to him.

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #79)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:41 PM

84. Clinton FOundation corruption has been bubbling up for years

 

yes, it's been simmering in the background. Something or someone was tamping it back down. Most likely waiting for the right moment. As in, the election season.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #84)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:45 PM

87. Yes, truthfulness aside, the timing is suspect

But they should have been upfront from day 1. It's one thing to assume everyone loves you when you surround yourself with bobble heads nodding yes all the time, but they should have known that people out there would be gunning for this.

It's unfortunate but it seems to be a monster of her own making.

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #87)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:47 PM

88. it's that vast right-wing, left-wing, every-wing conspiracy

 

and sooner or later they will come to understand that nobody really wanted to hate them, they just didn't leave us a lot of options.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #88)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:49 PM

91. Truth!!!

Well said. I didn't start out by disliking her politics immensely it's just that she made it So. Fucking. Easy.

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #79)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:49 PM

89. That's why I do not completely trust the article

because it could be a GOP biased/bought writer. That article constructed something potentially sinister but certainly didn't prove it. I need hard evidence. If the authorities really had something, she'd be charged or formally under investigation. None of that is happening. They're getting audited. Hopefully, the audit can wrap up soon and clear the family name.

I'd like the air cleared now - not during the general election. This "shit" won't hang over "a newly elected president" because the contest is already tight (head to head right now, for example, based on the polls, Rubio would handily beat her in electoral votes if the election was tomorrow) and this scandal could end her chances.

And the problem with such a thing is that regardless, the GOP will damage her with it like they did Benghazi.

If this scandal has merit, we'd be better off with Bernie for sure.

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #89)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:56 PM

94. They just handed the corrected tax forms over to the IRS.

It was a big mistake (again) to just say it was a mistake.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #94)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 05:57 PM

119. I wonder if the Clintons simply ran out of ways to postpone doing that. n/t

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #89)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:56 PM

95. The guy wrote for Mother Jones and the Nation, so no RW conspiracy here but

I agree more proof is required.

Hillary has a more than just the GOP against her...way too many progressives are seeing that the Empress Has No Clothes and I think a good many see that if she does get the nomination she will lose the GE. Remember, Independents are bigger in number than either the Democrats or Republicans and she must win them over and get them to come out to vote, which they won't because they're not the party faithful and why go put of your way to vote for the same old same old. So even without this brewing scandal she's got a tall hill to climb, but that hill may just about be turning to Mt. St. Helen's before the blast.

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #95)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 02:24 PM

103. Yep

I need the financial blue dress before I'll buy into the article but not all people will. It's been simmering for some time. This could well be her Mt. St. Helen's

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:36 AM

42. My disgust with the Democratic Establishment knows no bounds

 

They are not even trying to win in 2016.

HRC is the very best our party has to offer, such that she's got all the endorsements from Congress?

They couldn't find a standard bearer who did NOT vote for the travesty that is the Iraq War?

Go Bernie Go. He's our only hope for victory in November 2016.

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Response to Dems to Win (Reply #42)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 03:10 PM

106. It was "her turn" - don't you know...

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Response to Dems to Win (Reply #42)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 06:58 PM

135. Just imagine how well Bernie and the DNC would be doing if

DWS and TPTB were putting everything they have behind Bernie! He would be polling 50%-60% or more to over the INSANE CLOWN CAR candidates! They-are-sooooo-freakin'-stupid .


MONEY RULES OVER THE GOOD OF THE COUNTRY. Instead of supporting the most honest candidate to ever run, who's squeaky clean, they choose to support someone with so much baggage she could fill a 747! It makes zero sense, so we now know they're corrupt from the top to the bottom. Bernie MUST WIN. This is a desperate situation for our country and that isn't hyperbole!

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #135)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:34 PM

176. It's not DWS and DNC's place right now to back Bernie.

But it's sure their place NOT to deliberately sabotage him. When they also try to fundraise off him, it REALLY makes me angry.

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Response to SusanCalvin (Reply #176)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 09:27 PM

186. Their place is to promote all candidates without favoritism.

So far they've not been in their place.

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Response to merrily (Reply #186)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:46 PM

189. Exactly. nt

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:38 AM

46. The Clintons attract drama

Whether by their own behavior or through the maligned actions of others. Or a combination thereof. Either way, we don't need that drama taking the attention away from what needs to get done in this country.

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Response to Sienna86 (Reply #46)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:47 AM

52. It's their hubris...

...and being drunk on the power they have within their elitist social circles.

And make no mistake, Republicans and Democrats both travel in these circles. And they're all in bed with powerful corporations. They help each other out. The corrupt politicians using the corporations to enrich themselves; and the corporations using our government to buy legislation, deregulation and a tax system that ensures that they pay very little, sometimes nothing.

In case anyone hasn't noticed, "We The People" are not part of their little party.

We are abused behind the scenes, ignored, scoffed and ridiculed--until the next election cycle when they have to win us over just long enough to be elected yet again.

It's a sick, sick system we've got in this country.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #52)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:36 PM

177. It's the corporations, stupid!

I keep trying to get that meme adopted.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:38 AM

47. It's corruption like this that will sink our chances in the GE...

Look at this information. It is mind blowing.

Boeing donated $900,000 to the Clinton Foundation. A group of defense contractors, headed by Boeing, received $29 billion in defense contracts for fighter jets that will be delivered to Saudi Arabia.

This happened at the behest of Clinton's State Department. It's been widely reported that Hillary Clinton spearheaded this deal.

If you Google "Clinton Foundation Boeing" dozens of articles are found. Amazing that this wasn't front-page news. In my opinion, this kind of bullshit disqualifies Hillary for the Presidency.


For more horrifying reading about the Boeing deal:
http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:47 AM

53. How do you make "unfortunate accounting 'mistakes?'"

Rhetorical question. I believe that's what the best accountants are paid to do.

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Response to historylovr (Reply #53)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:31 PM

80. The Clinton's did not hire a reputable well known accountant

but instead hires some little outfit in Arkansas who did not do a good job. Then they were forced to go to another one that has not finished the audit.

That sounds so familiar - from a Clinton scandal while he was president.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #80)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 02:17 PM

99. Oh, my.

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Response to historylovr (Reply #99)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:49 PM

190. Really. nt

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Response to historylovr (Reply #53)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 06:52 PM

132. Bartop's law #1 n/t

 

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Response to historylovr (Reply #53)

Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:18 AM

221. Getting caught is fairly "unfortunate"

 

Having done NPO audits before, I'm skeptical of this article...it doesn't read like an exposition of a corrupt NPO, it reads like a litany of suppositions of one that is intentionally-opaque and poorly-run. (which may make them corrupt but isn't necessarily provably-criminal)

If it is true however and I suspect that it is...this isn't going to run fast enough to take Clinton out in the primaries; it's going to hit just in time for her to be indicted sometime late enough to fuck us in the GE in she's the nominee. More so, I expect that the GOP has this and has been sitting on it waiting on their expectation for her to clinch the nomination to insure that we have a plagued GE candidate or possibly an impeachable President who will be looking at decades in prison. This is her Nixon moment, she needs to resign herself to the reality that she's never going to be President before she turns over the White House to the GOP long-term and she needs to withdraw from the Presidential race. Now...not after she's wasted 4 months obfuscating.

I will feel a bit like Cassandra; I've been saying for years that Bill and Hillary will die in prison for all the misery and corruption they own. Knowing Hillary is corrupt is like knowing it rains in Seattle sometimes.

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #221)

Sat Nov 21, 2015, 11:16 AM

222. Ah, thanks. That makes sense with what jwirr said.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:10 PM

59. This whole thing reads like a Repug hit piece

And it makes me uncomfortable, as a Sanders supporter, that other Sanders supporters are taking it at face value and "reveling" its nastiness toward Clinton.

If it turns out to be 100% true, she deserves what she gets. But lets keep a little perspective.

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Response to hueymahl (Reply #59)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:28 PM

69. If it calms your concerns any, the writer is hardly right-wing.

Silverstein worked for the Los Angeles Times as an investigative reporter, for The Associated Press in Brazil, and has written for Mother Jones, Washington Monthly, The Nation, Slate, and Salon.[2]

Silverstein is a self-described "vole" in the newspaper business, and an opponent of what he considers "false 'balance'" in the news media.[2]

In 1993, Silverstein started CounterPunch, a political newsletter. Silverstein left this publication in 1996.

He drew attention in 2007 for a report in which he went undercover as part of an investment group with business interests in Turkmenistan, raising questions about journalistic ethics. Silverstein said that he could not have exposed the willingness of the companies to work with a Stalinist dictatorship using conventional journalism methods.


He's not without his inner-workplace challenges, but on the left-right scale, I wouldn't put him anywhere near the Republicans and he's not the sort to be duped by them into writing a hit piece.

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Response to hueymahl (Reply #59)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 02:01 PM

96. While I think we need to reserve our final judgement I think

that it is in Hillary's best interest to get this looked into now. The Rs will make sure it stays out there. They have to open this up so that she can win IF she is nominated. It cannot be hidden under a rug. Show the people what the mistakes were that made them correct so many years of tax returns.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #96)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:53 PM

191. Yep.

If she is the nominee, I want her to win. If she can't win, I don't want her to be the nominee. Out in the sunshine, the best disinfectant, RIGHT NOW. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

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Response to SusanCalvin (Reply #191)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:56 PM

192. LOL and I am sure you know why - I am old enough to

recognize that last line.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #192)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:02 PM

193. Another old fart here!

Very encouraging thing, the youngsters seem to be with us. I really think/hope we are at a tipping point. With any luck, a non-violent one.

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Response to SusanCalvin (Reply #193)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:41 PM

201. I agree. The youth today are fantastic. I became homeless

in 2008 and was rescued by kids who offered to let me stay until I found a place. I am still living with them. We found out that we could help each other.

I may be getting my dream house one of these days though. I have been in love with the little house movement since the 70s and everyone in my family knows it. Son in law was finally accepted for Social Security after years of waiting and they got all their bills paid off. They talked to me about my little house on their grounds. But I am still helping the kids no matter what. They deserve our help.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #201)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:49 PM

204. "We found out that we could help each other."

There you go.

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Response to hueymahl (Reply #59)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:12 PM

141. I AGREE!

 

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:35 PM

82. K N R

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:43 PM

86. This is truly massive

 

and this could really do more damage than anything else. This has legs and as such, it's going to get VERY ugly.
This could very well doom her campaign.

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Response to pinebox (Reply #86)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:51 PM

93. and don't think for a moment that the Rs aren't going to keep this in their back pocket

they WANT to run against HRC b/c they know they can beat her with this.

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Response to nashville_brook (Reply #93)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 02:19 PM

101. Hillary wil be toast in a general

 

They have so much mud to throw at her that it would like a monster truck festival

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Response to pinebox (Reply #101)

Sat Nov 21, 2015, 06:41 AM

212. HRC will depress hell out of Dem.turnout;destroy down ticket D candidates.

I'm a lifelong Democrat with tons of political & social connections in my urban community. I'm both an elected and an appointed official (Judge of Elections and member of building code appeals board). I'm an officer of my local American Association of University Women branch. I'm a retired staff attorney for the state legislative Dem. caucus who keeps in touch with my former colleagues. I do not know a single man or woman who supports Hillary. When her name comes up in political discourse, people get pained expressions on their faces. Negative things are said about her and Bill.

If she is at the top of the ticket in the general election, Dems up and down the ticket, from local school board to state legislators, to federal offices, will be victims. As many pundits are predicting, it will be a combination of (1) depressing the vote turnout of those who see no significant difference between her and whomever the GOP puts up, and (2) generating a high turnout of those who distrust her and/or will relish the opportunity to vote against her.

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Response to Divernan (Reply #212)

Sat Nov 21, 2015, 12:46 PM

224. That's exactly what I'm seeing too

 

I don'r know anybody who is voting for her but I do know a lot of people who are voting for Bernie & quite a few who are voting for Trump. If Hillary is the candidate, we're in huge trouble

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Response to nashville_brook (Reply #93)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:39 PM

150. Picadore strategy

This is indeed an excellent republican strategy. The deft touch of having HRC arrive in the general wounded and ready for the coup de grace.

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Response to Fairgo (Reply #150)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:06 PM

194. Oh dear. I am so afraid you are right. nt

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Response to pinebox (Reply #86)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 02:21 PM

102. let's hope it does so before the ge.

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Response to bbgrunt (Reply #102)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 02:24 PM

104. Yup

 

I want this out before the general

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 03:08 PM

105. Hillary is done when will she just admit it

 

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Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #105)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:07 PM

139. Never.

The only way she would ever admit it is if she's forced to - an indictment. She'll take the country down with her.

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Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #105)

Sat Nov 21, 2015, 06:57 AM

214. She's incapable of admitting mistakes or defeat.

If she loses this primary or general election, she'll just update her enemies' list and start planning a run in 2020.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 04:43 PM

109. I'm a bit leary of this article.

It smacks of a hit piece without any solid evidence of wrongdoing.
Admittedly I'm not all the way through the article, but the implications do look bad.
But, I'd like to see something more solid with better before I would go pushing this one.

my 2 cents

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Response to blackspade (Reply #109)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:09 PM

195. It's from Harper's,

So I'm initially inclined to trust. But I intend to verify.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 05:36 PM

114. I guess we'll see if the MSM piles onto this

If and until that happens I'm prepared to see it being brushed off as being just a story of happy coincidences.

?noredirect

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Response to Babel_17 (Reply #114)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:10 PM

140. The Corporate Owned MSM won't touch this until they have to.

When the internet explodes with it, to save face, they'll cover it, but only then.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #140)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:12 PM

196. Maybe not even then,

If it's in their (corporate masters') interest not to and they think they can get away with it.

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Response to SusanCalvin (Reply #196)

Sat Nov 21, 2015, 08:15 AM

219. True.

Once the story hits major internet news sites like Huffpo, Salon, Politico, etc... Then they couldn't ignore it. Most CORPORATE OWNED MSM news programs have talking head contributors from those sites on their shows as regular guest, so it would be almost impossible for them to ignore a huge internet story like that for very long.

However, like you said, if they can get away with not covering it, they will.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 05:40 PM

115. This is all going to come crashing in during the GE.

The article doesn't even address the appearance of influence peddling with UBS to protect Swiss bank depositors.

Hillary Helps a Bank—and Then It Funnels Millions to the Clintons

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/hillary-helps-a-bankand-then-it-pays-bill-15-million-in-speaking-fees/400067/

Clinton Foundation Accepted Swiss Bank Money After Hillary Negotiated Settlement

http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-accepted-swiss-bank-money-after-hillary-negotiated-settlement-wall-2031672

If she hopes to win the GE she'll have to convince more than 36% of the electorate that she's trustworthy and truthful. Good luck with that against the blizzard of super pac attacks she'll be facing.

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Response to pa28 (Reply #115)

Sun Nov 29, 2015, 03:07 PM

233. Republicans hope that Hillary will be the nominee

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #233)

Sun Nov 29, 2015, 03:32 PM

235. Polls say she's losing to 6 different Republicans by at least 5% points.

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Response to pa28 (Reply #235)

Sun Nov 29, 2015, 03:42 PM

236. She is popular with...

...die-hard Democrats but she's toast if that vote doesn't come out.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 06:25 PM

121. K & R !!!

 


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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 06:48 PM

130. All I can say is, thank God/dess . . .

it's not too late for the Democratic Party to choose someone else.

I'm not going to defend any more shenanigans.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:17 PM

142. Ah yes Bill & Hill's personal little slush fund

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:18 PM

144. What is Harper's politics?

I'm not ready to jump on the bandwagon here. Too many times the
Clintons have been maligned over what turned out to be nothing.
Does Harper's have an ax to grind? I may like Bernie and hope
he wins the nomination but I don't hate the Clintons either. I will
be severely disappointed if it's Hillary but not ready to go after her
in this way. I saw this all through the 90s. Just curious what people
know about this magazine. I know it's been around a long time.

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Response to leftcoastmountains (Reply #144)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:16 PM

166. independent. they went after w pre-iraq.

 

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Response to leftcoastmountains (Reply #144)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 09:08 PM

182. The author of the article has been published in The Nation and Mother Jones. Do you question their

politics? He was also the founder of Counterpunch.

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Response to leftcoastmountains (Reply #144)

Sat Nov 21, 2015, 02:03 AM

206. It's the only magazine

I subscribe to, especially because I live in Europe, it's that good. I look forward to reading it every month. There has been one hit piece on Obama recently but it was fact based and gave a great summary of what the article's point was. I've been reading it for several years now.

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Response to leftcoastmountains (Reply #144)

Sat Nov 21, 2015, 07:12 AM

215. Harper's outstanding credentials dating back to 1850.

I am grateful that my parents subscribed to The Atlantic Monthly and Harper's while I was growing up. Really opened my mind up to many aspects of art and popular culture, not to mention history and politics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harper's_Magazine

Harper's Magazine was launched as Harper's New Monthly Magazine in June 1850, by the New York City publisher Harper & Brothers; who also founded Harper's Bazaar magazine, later growing to become HarperCollins Publishing. The first press run, of 7,500 copies, sold out almost immediately; circulation was some 50,000 issues six months later.

The early issues reprinted material pirated from English authors such as Charles Dickens, William Makepeace Thackeray, and the Brontë sisters. The magazine soon was publishing the work of American artists and writers, and in time commentary by the likes of Winston Churchill and Woodrow Wilson. Portions of Herman Melville's novel Moby Dick were first published in the October 1851 issue of Harper's

In the 1970s, Harper's published Seymour Hersh's reporting of the My Lai Massacre by United States forces in Vietnam.

Under the Lapham-MacArthur leadership, Harper's magazine continued publishing literary fiction by the likes of John Updike, George Saunders, and others. Politically, Harper's was an especially vocal critic of U.S. domestic and foreign policies. Editor Lapham's monthly "Notebook" columns have lambasted the Clinton and the George W. Bush administrations. Since 2003, the magazine has concentrated on reportage about U.S. war in Iraq, with long articles about the battle for Fallujah, and the cronyism of the American reconstruction of Iraq. Other reporting has covered abortion issues, cloning, and global warming.[12]

Notable contributors

Horatio Alger
Frederic H. Balfour
Wendell Berry
John R. Chapin
Noam Chomsky
Winston Churchill
Florence Earle Coates
Rebecca Curtis
Bernard DeVoto
Stephen A. Douglas
Theodore Dreiser
Irwin Edman
Barbara Ehrenreich
Ralph Ellison
Sol Eytinge Jr.
Jonathan Franzen
Robert Frost
Barbara Garson
John Taylor Gatto
Horace Greeley
Barbara Grizzuti Harrison
Seymour Hersh
Christopher Hitchens
Edward Hoagland
Richard Hofstadter
Winslow Homer
Jim Hougan
William Dean Howells
Henry James
Naomi Klein
Ben Lerner
Jack London
Fitz Hugh Ludlow
Norman Mailer
Herman Melville
Stanley Milgram
John Stuart Mill
John Muir
Thomas Nast
Albert Jay Nock
Joyce Carol Oates
Cynthia Ozick
Kevin Phillips
Marjorie Pickthall
Sylvia Plath
Michael Pollan
Frederic Remington
Marilynne Robinson
Richard Rodriguez
Theodore Roosevelt
J. D. Salinger
George Saunders
Miranda July
David Samuels
Jane Smiley
Zadie Smith
Rebecca Solnit
John Steinbeck
Henry L. Stimson
Alfred Thomas Story
Susan Straight
Booth Tarkington
Sara Teasdale
Hunter S. Thompson
Mark Twain
John Updike
Kurt Vonnegut
David Foster Wallace
E. B. White
Woodrow Wilson
Owen Wister
Tom Wolfe
Howard Zinn
Slavoj Žižek



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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:52 PM

155. I have to disagree

The powerful will figure out how to protect the Clintons; the voters will either not care or be indifferent because of who she is. It's not only just okay if you're a Repig. Others benefit from media blackouts and rewriting of the facts too. Surely, they will make some false equivalency with something her competitors have done.

Even still, I wonder how I would respond had this been Bernie who was found to have done something such as this. Would I make excuses because his message is so important? Sure, he has demonstrated he is not like this, but many Clinton supporters will just slog on, singing her praises. Not sure that I would blame them given their indifference to the rest of her shortcomings.

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Response to ejbr (Reply #155)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:00 PM

158. How many errors in judgement are considered acceptable

as a possible POTUS?

Some decisions are bigger than $$'s. Some decisions cost others their lives.

How many errors in judgement are considered acceptable as one running for POTUS?

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #158)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:05 PM

160. Don't ask me...

When Bernie entered, Clinton was old news. Other people couldn't give a fuck because the presidency is like Reality TV.

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Response to ejbr (Reply #155)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:15 PM

197. Sadly, I think you have a firm grasp on reality. nt

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:15 PM

165. Best News I've Heard Today!!!

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:29 PM

175. Arms sales? Dept. of State favors for donations?

I want to puke. We can't have Hillary in GE.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:41 PM

178. And this is what we can expect continuously with a Hillary nomination.

And if by some miracle she makes it to the White House we will witness impeachment trial after impeachment trial as her 'mistakes' make their way through Congress.

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Response to Live and Learn (Reply #178)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 09:00 PM

179. My fear -

They find a smoking gun in either the email/server investigation or this Clinton Foundation investigation and hold it to see if she's the nominee. If she wins the Ge (highly unlikely), they pull the smoking gun out and call for impeachment. HUSBAND AND WIFE BOTH IMPEACHED PRESIDENTS. What a nightmare that would be. The Teabaggers/GOP have a Majority in the House to Impeach her EASILY.

OR they play the smoking gun if it looks like she's going to win the GE -then we're screwed.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #179)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 09:09 PM

183. Quite reasonable fears if you ask me. nt

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #179)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:19 PM

198. If one were playing the odds

One would dump this bet a heartbeat.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #179)

Sun Nov 22, 2015, 02:22 PM

229. they'll play it to win the GE. nt

 

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #179)

Sun Nov 29, 2015, 03:12 PM

234. Republicans will hold off until they are sure she is the nominee

Republicans know she is vulnerable. They don't want Bernie as the nominee as he will wipe the floor with them.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 09:04 PM

181. I truly feel sorry

for the "I support her no matter what" crowd. I also truly hope there is SOME resolution before the early caucuses - it's too important.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 09:24 PM

184. Interesting article, but I will reserve comment until I see what happens.

All I know so far is that income at one point was listed as zero when it was ten million dollars. Even centrist and Clinton fan Jon Stewart choked on that one.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 09:26 PM

185. They've acted like their foundation didn't even pay for the dry cleaning.

 

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 09:30 PM

187. Wrong timing: was supposed to be GOP's "October Surprise"

The repubs don't want this out now. The best HRC could do is to come clean as quickly as possible, as a way to minimize this for the long run.

Which of course would be a first for her. Bernie can spend 5 secs to say, "Enough with the damn emails" and shut down the press with his obvious reprimand. The Clintons only know how to deny, deny, deny, as they still haven't figured out that denial only serves to escalate the situation.

How anyone thinks that the Clintons could make tens of millions off running a charity, yet be completely clean, simply blows my mind.

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Response to Bernin4U (Reply #187)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:32 PM

199. super clean

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:32 PM

188. Guess what?

 

"If the Justice Department and law enforcement agencies do their jobs..."

Therein lies the problem and the brick wall.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2015, 02:06 AM

207. Clearly Republican propaganda, but what kind of fool solicits money for her family's

charitable foundation while Secretary of State and then, knowing that the foundation faces questions about its accounting practices, runs for president.

The Clinton Foundation may be utterly honest, but the perception of conflicts of interest are inevitable because it accepts large donations from overseas including countries that want things from our government.

Hillary does not show good judgment with this situation.

The perception of wrongdoing is inevitable here.

Whether they cheated or sold favors or not, this foundation supports the perception of a conflict of interest and much worse.

Either you have the foundation or you serve as secretary of state and run for president. But you just cannnot have it all.

More reasons to distrust Hillary whether or not she really did something wrong or not.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #207)

Sat Nov 21, 2015, 05:45 PM

227. Guardian Investigation...Back in February...Just one of many: Link

Clinton foundation received up to $81m from clients of controversial HSBC bank

Leaked files reveal identities of wealthy donors with accounts in Geneva
Donors gave as much as $81m to Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation


Paul Lewis in New York and James Ball in London--The Guardian

Tuesday 10 February 2015 06.00 EST Last modified on Tuesday 10 February 2015 12.25 EST


The charitable foundation run by Hillary Clinton and her family has received as much as $81m from wealthy international donors who were clients of HSBC’s controversial Swiss bank.

Leaked files from HSBC’s Swiss banking division reveal the identities of seven donors to the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation with accounts in Geneva.

They include Frank Giustra, a Canadian mining magnate and one of the foundation’s biggest financial backers, and Richard Caring, the British retail magnate who, the bank’s internal records show, used his tax-free Geneva account to transfer $1m into the New York-based foundation.

Hillary Clinton has expressed concern over growing economic inequality in the US and is expected to make the issue a cornerstone of her widely anticipated presidential campaign in 2016. However, political observers are increasingly asking whether the former secretary of state’s focus on wealth inequality sits uncomfortably with the close relationships she and her husband have nurtured with some of the world’s richest individuals.

Giustra’s Swiss HSBC account, created in 2002, contained up to $10m in the 2006-2007 period. Lawyers for the mining magnate said that he held the account for investment purposes, and that it was in compliance with Canadian laws that required disclosure of foreign assets.

Caring was legitimately permitted to keep his assets offshore by a hereditary quirk of UK tax law, under which he is registered as “non-domiciled”, courtesy of his Italian-American father. The HSBC records suggest Caring’s $1m donation was paid in return for former president Bill Clinton’s attendance at a lavish costume charity ball organised by Caring in St Petersburg, Russia.

Another Clinton foundation donor who had a HSBC account in the tax haven is Jeffrey Epstein, the hedge fund manager and convicted sex offender who once flew the former president on his private jet for charity events in Africa.

The identities of Clinton supporters who banked with HSBC in Geneva are contained in internal bank data leaked by a HSBC computer expert turned whistleblower, Hervé Falciani.

The leaked files have now been obtained through an international collaboration of news outlets, including the Guardian, the French daily Le Monde, CBS’s 60 Minutes and the Washington-based International Consortium of Investigative Journalists.

It is not unlawful for US or other non-Swiss citizens to hold accounts in Geneva and there is no evidence any of the Clinton donors with Geneva accounts evaded tax. However, Switzerland’s secretive banking laws have for years made it a destination for the super-rich.
$1m transfer
Under US charity law, the non-profit, which was founded by the former president in 2001 as the the William J Clinton Foundation, is not required to disclose the identity of its donors.

Continued at:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/10/hillary-clinton-foundation-donors-hsbc-swiss-bank



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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2015, 03:17 AM

210. that kind of money buys an awful lot.

I doubt anything will happen. Just like the banksters

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2015, 03:59 AM

211. This will probably have the same effect as the Dubya National Guard revelations

IOW, nothing will happen. The ruling class gets to do what it fucking well pleases.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2015, 07:14 AM

216. Kick and R

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2015, 07:38 AM

217. Hillary's so pro-active...

 

She doesn't even wait until she's president for her administration to start having scandals.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2015, 08:12 AM

218. Just some pre-coronation housekeeping.

Like picking the weevils and maggots out of the gruel ration.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2015, 12:35 PM

223. Kick

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2015, 04:21 PM

225. Kick !!!

 


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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Original post)

Sun Nov 29, 2015, 02:50 PM

232. Laundry day KICK.

Today is laundry day at my house.

It's a dirty job but someone's gotta do it.

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