Hillary Clinton Will Finish Third In Iowa, Behind Bernie Sanders and O'Malley. Here's Why

[marym625]

From the Huffington Post Blog

Hillary Clinton Will Finish Third In Iowa, Behind Bernie Sanders and O'Malley. Here's Why

By H.A. Goodman 12/4/15

There's a reason Hillary Clinton finished third in the 2008 Iowa Caucus, behind Barack Obama and John Edwards. In addition to her costly vote supporting the war in Iraq, Clinton has always pleaded "guilty" to being a moderate. It's this centrism (even when progressive values are now popular throughout the nation) that fuels questions about why she opposed gay marriage or as The Huffington Post writes, accepted "$133,246 to the Ready for Hillary PAC" from major prison lobbyists.

The Iowa Caucus was once labeled as part of the Democratic Party's "extremes" by Hillary Clinton in a recently disclosed State Department email. However, there's nothing extreme about championing progressive values, even when they're not popular. Bernie Sanders has a history defending progressive principles, while Clinton has consistently veered to the right on war, foreign policy, trade, and even marijuana legislation.

Re: Corporate donations

According to a Huffington Post article titled Hillary Clinton Says She'll End Private Prisons, Stop Accepting Their Money, Clinton has simultaneously accepted money from the same interests she's now saying she'll fight against:

Lobbying firms that work for two major private prison giants, GEO Group and Corrections Corporation of America, gave $133,246 to the Ready for Hillary PAC, according to Vice. Those companies operate a number of criminal and immigrant detention facilities, some of which have been plagued by allegations of abuse and poor treatment of detainees.

Immigrant and civil rights groups have urged Clinton to stop accepting contributions from donors with ties to GEO and CCA. Earlier Thursday, in announcing its co-founder Cesar Vargas was moving to the campaign of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), the advocacy group Dream Action Coalition singled out Clinton for accepting those contributions.

Re: War and foreign policy (for Clinton, seems those two things are synonymous)

Bernie Sanders, on the other hand, says "I'll be damned" if more Americans are sent back to counterinsurgency quagmires in the Middle East, and calls for Saudi Arabia and others in the region to lead the fight against ISIS. Sanders won the Congressional Award from the VFW and addresses the issues veterans face from prolonged wars. The next president will have to decide if more U.S. troops are sent back to failed wars and I trust Bernie Sanders infinitely more than Hillary Clinton.

Please check out the article. It has links to others. HuffPostBlog

Illegal, for profit war, in Iraq.
Patriot Act
Bankruptcy bill
No Child Left Behind
Pro Death Penalty
Anti-living wage

Don't understand how anyone that claims to be liberal, progressive, a Democrat, would support Hillary Clinton

#FeelTheBern #Bernie2016

[Scootaloo]

1. Sanders coming in first wouldn't be a surprise.

O'Malley coming in second would fucking astound me, though

[marym625]

3. I wouldn't be shocked

If the kid caucus is any indication of what the adults do, she'll finish last.

[tularetom]

2. Are you ready for a blizzard of replies trashing HA Goodman as a Rand Paul fanboy?

Because that seems to be the reaction of the club every time something of his gets posted here.

[marym625]

4. Don't care.

The one time I know of that he supported something of Rand's, it was against war.

Let them trash

[Cleita]

5. From your keyboard to the universe's "eyes".

Keeping my fingers crossed.

[marym625]

6. I believe this is what will happen. n/t

[Kalidurga]

7. I hope Hillary comes in third.

I don't care if Bernie or Martin comes in first. I prefer Bernie, but I am prepared to switch if that looks more pragmatic down the line.

[marym625]

9. While I would support O'Malley if Bernie weren't in the primary,

And I don't get how Clinton is ahead of either of them (except she's been campaigning for 15 years) Bernie is my man.

#Bernie2016 #FeelTheBern
#caFREEact

[Enthusiast]

8. Kicked and recommended!

[marym625]

10. Thank you, Enthusiast!

You're so cool! Always so enthusiastic! I love it!



#Bernie2016 #FeelTheBern

[emulatorloo]

11. Sanders will def come in first in Iowa, but I just don't see how MOM pulls off second.

I recall Edwards and Kucinich making a deal in '08 so that if either candidate wasn't viable at an individual caucus, their supporters would go stand with the more viable candidate. So at lots of caucuses Edwards picked up DK supporters

I just don't see a scenario like that for MOM. I am guessing MOM supporters will end up in the Bernie group before the night is over.

JMHO of course.

[marym625]

12. Did you see the kid caucus?

O'Malley killed Clinton. Evidently, the kid caucus has been pretty close to the real caucus in the past.

[eridani]

13. FAr too early to say this for sure

Outreach is much more important than polling.

[marym625]

14. It is. Both things are true.

On your first point, it's an opinion piece that I liked. So I posted it. Though I do believe it will happen.

I'm your second point, that's why I'm out there, on the street, campaigning and in my home, phone banking.

#FeelTheBern #Bernie2016

#caFREEact

[Duckfan]

15. But the big question is....

Will Bernie get the delegates he needs? I think there was something posted here just last week claiming there may be some "hanky-panky" with the delegate distribution? I'm not all that clear on that process. It was one of those pieces that clearly smelled like DWS who I won't discuss further since she makes my blood pressure go up.

[marym625]

16. same here, on the DWS blood pressure thing

Yeah, this super delegate shit has to be unconstitutional. I don't care who it is. Seriously. Before one vote is cast, wtf!