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Clinton on Face the Nation now: I'm glad Bernie has "flip-flopped" (Original Post) zazen Jan 2016 OP
Riddle Me This HRC - Why Is A Firearms Manufacturer Responsible For Unsafe Product Operation cantbeserious Jan 2016 #1
A firearm manufacturer is still responsible for unsafe operation. Cassiopeia Jan 2016 #3
Manufacturing Defect Yes - All Else - Wrong Again cantbeserious Jan 2016 #6
I think you should read the actual bill that was signed. Cassiopeia Jan 2016 #8
All Not Related To Manufacturing Defects cantbeserious Jan 2016 #10
It's hard to call it a defect when the firearm works correctly. Cassiopeia Jan 2016 #11
That Is The Strength Of Firearms - Reliability Derived From Simplicity cantbeserious Jan 2016 #12
Riddle me this. Why do firearms manufacturers need special protections... stone space Jan 2016 #18
Nice Try At Defelection - Not Taking The Bait cantbeserious Jan 2016 #19
bwahahahahahaha Hiraeth Jan 2016 #2
I knew this would happen Robbins Jan 2016 #4
Rovian Projection. Half-Century Man Jan 2016 #5
+1 daleanime Jan 2016 #7
She evolves; he flip flops. Candidate, please. merrily Jan 2016 #9
Now she is starting with the negative comments RoccoR5955 Jan 2016 #13
And Chelsea Claims that She 'Tried to Care About Money But Couldn't' swilton Jan 2016 #14
Chelsea's FIRST job out of Stanford was with a HEDGE FUND. senz Jan 2016 #20
it would appear no one can criticize her on her past mistakes Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #15
Pffffft...Ms. Weathervane has no room to talk. When she calls Bernie a flip-flopper tonight at the in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #16
I hope he's ready for it. senz Jan 2016 #21
Perhaps it's easier to transfer HRCs own habit of spinning 180 degrees... MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #17

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
3. A firearm manufacturer is still responsible for unsafe operation.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 11:50 AM
Jan 2016

You buy a gun and it explodes in your hand because of a defect you can bet your ass that you can sue the manufacturer.

If you use a gun for it's intended purpose and it was obtained legally you can't sue.

If the firearm was used in a crime and sold by a dealer that knew you could not legally own a gun they CAN be sued as well.

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
8. I think you should read the actual bill that was signed.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 12:14 PM
Jan 2016

If a dealer or manufacturer is knowingly making illegal arms sales they can be sued for it.


(5) QUALIFIED CIVIL LIABILITY ACTION-

(A) IN GENERAL- The term `qualified civil liability action' means a civil action or proceeding or an administrative proceeding brought by any person against a manufacturer or seller of a qualified product, or a trade association, for damages, punitive damages, injunctive or declaratory relief, abatement, restitution, fines, or penalties, or other relief, resulting from the criminal or unlawful misuse of a qualified product by the person or a third party, but shall not include--

(i) an action brought against a transferor convicted under section 924(h) of title 18, United States Code, or a comparable or identical State felony law, by a party directly harmed by the conduct of which the transferee is so convicted;

(ii) an action brought against a seller for negligent entrustment or negligence per se;

(iii) an action in which a manufacturer or seller of a qualified product knowingly violated a State or Federal statute applicable to the sale or marketing of the product, and the violation was a proximate cause of the harm for which relief is sought, including--

(I) any case in which the manufacturer or seller knowingly made any false entry in, or failed to make appropriate entry in, any record required to be kept under Federal or State law with respect to the qualified product, or aided, abetted, or conspired with any person in making any false or fictitious oral or written statement with respect to any fact material to the lawfulness of the sale or other disposition of a qualified product; or

(II) any case in which the manufacturer or seller aided, abetted, or conspired with any other person to sell or otherwise dispose of a qualified product, knowing, or having reasonable cause to believe, that the actual buyer of the qualified product was prohibited from possessing or receiving a firearm or ammunition under subsection (g) or (n) of section 922 of title 18, United States Code;

ETA Here's section 922 and 924 for additional reference.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/922

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/924

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
11. It's hard to call it a defect when the firearm works correctly.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 12:22 PM
Jan 2016

The purpose of a firearm is to kill. It's why they were invented centuries ago.

It's hard to call it a defect when it's used for that purpose.

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
18. Riddle me this. Why do firearms manufacturers need special protections...
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 06:12 PM
Jan 2016

...not available to other industries, such as Big Tobacco and Lawn Dart Manufacturers?

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
4. I knew this would happen
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 11:52 AM
Jan 2016

if she says this in debate i hope bernie points out all the times she has flip-flopped.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
13. Now she is starting with the negative comments
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 12:53 PM
Jan 2016

and downright lies. She did this in '08 and failed. Her supporters should hope that she flip-flops and realizes that this will only lose her the nomination.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
20. Chelsea's FIRST job out of Stanford was with a HEDGE FUND.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:18 PM
Jan 2016

Who sends their child to a top university so that the child can work for a hedge fund?

What student could soak up the best cultural and intellectual knowledge available and then seek employment on Wall Street?

What child of Democratic public servants would choose to make money rather than contribute to society??

Chelsea doesn't care about money?? Then what the hell DOES she care about?

Sounds like an example of Hitler's Big Lie theory. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie

I used to support them, but now the Clintons disgust me. They have become a blight on our Party and on this country.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
16. Pffffft...Ms. Weathervane has no room to talk. When she calls Bernie a flip-flopper tonight at the
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:45 PM
Jan 2016

debate, and she will, he'll point out her blatant hypocrisy. He'll nip that in the bud. She'll be neutralized again...

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
17. Perhaps it's easier to transfer HRCs own habit of spinning 180 degrees...
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 06:07 PM
Jan 2016

She's got enough momentum of spinning her issues, depending on what her handlers tell to say when she isn't flat out lying.

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