Why would ANY Democrat, Liberal or Progressive

[in_cog_ni_to]

Not want all of their fellow citizens to have Healthcare?

Tonight really opened my eyes to some people who post on DU.

I understand the Teabagger/GOP hate machine who would be perfectly fine with having everyone they don't like go without healthcare and DIE. But Democrats, Liberals and Progressives? I'm sorry, but that is very disheartening. That's today's Democratic Party?

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[99th_Monkey]

1. Yep. How can any Democrat stand there on national TV, denying healthcare to 28 million people

28 million who are no doubt among the poorest of the poor. Nope. "No healthcare for you"

I don't know how she can sleep at night, or even hold her head up after doing that. It is
disgraceful.

[Armymedic88]

2. This is a moment in time when our party has a choice

The choice is do we settle with the ACA or do continue to strive for FDR, MLK Jr, and Hillary(93)'s vision of health care as a right!!!

[in_cog_ni_to]

7. Welcome to DU!

The choice is clear, if you're a Progressive, Liberal or Democrat! Healthcare is a RIGHT!

Again, welcome to DU!

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[Armymedic88]

10. Thank you for the welcome

I have been a long time reader here and this primary has finally drawn me to post here. I'm ashamed and frankly appalled by the Clinton campaign attacking Universal Health Care.

[draa]

13. Ha, I came back for the same reason.

Sanders is worth getting involved. My grandchildren deserve nothing less.

[in_cog_ni_to]

14. I know. It's shameful.

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[Autumn]

3. I was disgusted listening to her tonight. A democratic candidate against health care

and the spin by her supporters justifying it.

[draa]

15. Don't worry, it will bite them in the butt soon enough.

New polling that reflects Clinton's recent shift should come out in a few days. I'm interested to see how the Democratic primary voters like her stab in the back. This is something many of us long time Dems have worked towards for years. If the rest are like me it won't go well for Clinton.

You don't just throw Democratic activists under the bus like that. Not old timers anyway (DFH's). And not after decades of work. I don't care who she is this issue is bigger than any politician. Much less a politician like Hillary Clinton.

[darkangel218]

4. Because they're loaded enough , they can pay hard cash for it.

They don't understand, relate to or sympathize with those who can't afford spending a fortune for basic healthcare.

[HassleCat]

5. Loyalty is important

Apparently, it's impossible to advocate universal health care without implying criticism of Obama. Thus, we should accept that millions of our fellow citizens will not have health care, so there are no hurt feelings.

[Proserpina]

6. That's the result of Obamacare--its hype, its hypocrisy

the sheer Rube Goldberg impracticality and futility of it.

Obamacare was designed to fail, and to sow confusion as it did so. It's done the job too well, and too fast. People are refusing to sacrifice their lives, futures, families and fortunes for such a fraudulent program. It's dying before it gets too deeply rooted, dying of its expense and its failure to provide care as promised.

And yet, the Obots will have it no other way. To admit that they've been gulled by their hero would be a terrible betrayal, so they deny and deny and deny. They deny the arithmetic, the economics, their fellow citizens, the experts. All for the sin of pride and the fear of failure.

To put one's faith in a distant, godlike figure who doesn't deliver on his promises....maybe it's my inherent atheism and paganism, but I cannot do it, nor approve of anyone who does.

[in_cog_ni_to]

12. Just an example of a Obamcare failure:

I live in Illinois....This just happens to be my current insurance company. They probably won't be around next year.

<snip>
But the exchange population has turned out to be more expensive to insure than anticipated and several of the co-ops are struggling financially. All were counting on receiving hundreds of millions of dollars from the federal government under risk-mitigation programs in the Affordable Care Act to survive the first few years.

But co-ops say only a fraction of the money will arrive thanks to partisan politics and government mismanagement. Land of Lincoln requested about $4.5 million for the 2014 policy year. It is going to get $566,023, or 12.6 percent.

The shortfall forced the company to scale down its ambitions for 2016 after adding 50,000 members this year. Land of Lincoln has also raised premiums by an average of 25 percent across individual and small-group policies.

But for several co-ops, the shortfall turned a difficult situation into a crisis. Twelve of the 23 co-ops have shut down or plan to in the near future.

http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-85188575/

[tk2kewl]

8. we can work on getting more insured under the ACA

a million more a year... in about 10 years we'll get half of them and maybe the other half will die and then everyone will get to pay premiums to the job creators. i think that's how it works

[TIME TO PANIC]

9. They aren't Democrats, Liberals or Progressives.

They are moderate Republicans, and single issue voters that come from privilege.

[cui bono]

11. It took til tonight to do that???

They've been arguing against it all week.

The last eight years people have been advocating for spying on American citizens, the same spying that started with Bush illegally and pushed for legalization by Obama. They've posted in favor of the TPP. They were defending offering up SS to the GOP. They defended calling torturers "patriots". They are fine with more and more drones killing innocent people. They LOVE prosecuting whistleblowers. They had no problem at all with banksters being appointed by Obama. Their Obama group here on DU was basically a teen fanzine with OPs that had no substance and were mostly just fawning over pics of Obama and his family.

Did you miss all of that?

Now the same group of people defend anything Hillary says/wants. And many of them HATED her when she was running against Obama. They simply do not care about policy at all, they just care if their idol wins, or if the corporate candidate wins. It must be the corporate thing. I'm convinced they are operatives sent around the internet to sell the Third Way. I geek out over cell phones and it was found out that Samsung had hired people to go onto message boards to criticize HTC phones and talk up Samsung phones. Everyone knows this sort of thing happens, no reason at all it wouldn't happen in politics.

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[in_cog_ni_to]

16. I exited this place for years after the 2008 election. Bernie brought me back.

I couldn't take them. I honestly thought that people would be thrilled to have Single-Payer and all their fellow citizens able to see a doctor. Seeing how he's going to pay for it and how much money it will save the middle class and small businesses should THRILL every Liberal in this country.

Clinton supporters rejecting it whole cloth is just WRONG and sickening. Healthcare is different. It's a matter of life and death...

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[cui bono]

17. I agree completely.

But they are not worried about policy of any kind, they just care that a corporate candidate wins. And I guess if there is more than one running then they pick the one they can idolize? It's probably a mixture of paid operatives and naive cult of personality types.

Neither really delves into policy discussion though, and when they do they betray themselves as ones who will agree to any policy as long as it is presented by a corporate representative.

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