Difference between Bernie and Hillary supporters

[shireen]

I've been reading both sides with great interest to figure out why some people support one candidate over another.

I think, and please tell me if you think I'm wrong, is that Bernie supporters are more idealistic and hopeful, and fearless in facing formidable conservative odds against us.

It may explain why he's attracting so many young people who don't have the "baggage" that us older folks carry around.

Bernie supporters know that implementing his vision is going to be HARD work, especially if the Congress has majority Republican and conservative Democrats.

But in seeing the groundswell of support he's amassed, I also think these people are not going to disappear when Bernie becomes president. We're going to continue campaigning hard for him. We don't expect results overnight, but we see the new "promised land."

As for Hillary supporters, I think they fundamentally want the same things we do. But they are probably more pessimistic about what can be achieved with a large Republican contingent in Congress. So, they're taking a guarded "pragmatic" middle-ground approach. That's quite understandable, considering what we've been through under W and a crazed Republican-dominated Congress.

Bernie will never be alone in the WH. That, I believe, is why he'll be a successfull transformative president.

[Faux pas]

1. Kickin'

[antigop]

2. Hillary supporters...

1) Benefit from the status quo
2) Haven't been burned (yet) by the status quo
3) Want a female prez sooo badly
4) Have been kept in the dark by the MSM and do not realize the real problems in this country
5) Some combination of the above

[HassleCat]

3. I just noticed a difference

This is something done by a couple Clinton supporters, so we should not generalize, and our side does it, too, but here it is. Politifact has labeled as "mostly false" the Sanders claim that he helped write the ACA. In fact, he did help by writing one provision of the bill, and it's a provision actually worth money, not something specifying the wording on a plaque, or whatever. So, Politifact's judgment is "mostly incorrect." Even so, we are getting DU posts claiming this "mostly false" call by Politifact proves Sanders is a liar. What is it when you take a statement and intentionally twist it to mean something it was not intended to mean? Is that a lie? Isn't that exactly -- EXACTLY! -- what they are accusing Sanders of doing.

I wish I could say we don't do the same thing, but I have seen snips from right wing hit pieces about Benghazi, even references to Vince Foster and Anita Broderick. So, yeah, I'm calling out this deception, but with the footnote.

[Motown_Johnny]

4. I don't think the odds are against us.

I think we have several advantages and should make the most of them. The success of Pres. Obama, the failures of Shrub, the idiots running as (R)s as well as a general movement in this country away from establishments like big banks and the major political parties are just a few.

We are the party of the occupy movement, of BLM and of immigration reform. We should be able to harness the energy these movements have had and channel it into real progressive change.

Or we can nominate an establishment, status quo, influencing peddling power broker who offers us nothing beyond business as usual on steroids.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

5. some can not imagine real change

some can

Most do not understand that change is the constant - the slow creep away from a system that is truly sustainable and empowering must be stopped.

[TBF]

6. He'll be successful because he is not polarizing

and he knows how to get things done. I wouldn't call that "idealistic and hopeful". I would call that rational and determined.

[Rebkeh]

7. Idealism, yes but also

notice that there's a lot of older people that support him. I'm in my forties and I'm 100% for Bernie. I think it's more than idealism, it's also that a lot of people feel they have nothing to lose and more to gain. I keep saying this but aversion to risk is more likely to happen when you have more to lose, a situation in which older people are more likely to be. It's not always wisdom of having lived through and seen more.

And then there are very optimistic people like myself that see the forest for the trees. I'm too stubborn to give in to cynicism, life's too short.

[mother earth]

8. Idealism? Bull! We know exactly what has gone wrong & why, we are fed up to the max!

When Enough Is Enough is the cry of the land, you are damn straight, this is a political movement, and it's not going away.
I know that many of us older voters support Bernie because we are mad as hell & we know what the hell is coming around the bend with more oligarchy. If someone isn't outraged and mobilized by the train wreck we see coming, they aren't paying attention.

At this stage of the game, we are seeing economic fall-out because of issues that were pandered to instead of dealt with in the right way the last go 'round. It is outrageous to see fellow dems expect anyone to believe anything is going to change under Hillary. She's been paving the way for TPP, when the SHTF, they will be telling us we absolutely need to get it going, remember it's on fast track for the next six years under the president. I don't believe for one moment she feels it's not good enough for the American people, as is. Why then, was she promoting throughout the globe? We are one economic crisis away from TPP, and that will put the nail in the coffin pretty darn quick. I see the possibility of third world status in our very near future, even with Bernie in the WH, there's going to be plenty of work to bring back accountability to a dysfunctional system. Nothing works as it was intended, and it's all been purposely dismantled by all levels of gov't being taken over by oligarchy.

You had better believe, there is more than idealism at stake, we remember all too well when the last economic crisis hit, and GW had already paved the way for TARP, and then boom, economic crisis just as Obama enters office.

Even in the best case scenario, there's much work ahead, and that's the pretty picture.

[eridani]

9. Sanders supporters are far more into issues than personalities n/t