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cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
Thu May 2, 2019, 09:05 PM May 2019

CNN: A decades-old feud looms over Biden and Warren in 2020


Like most of the Democratic candidates in the 2020 field, Warren has so far largely steered clear of commenting on -- let alone, attacking -- her rivals.

But when asked last week whether the former vice president was "too cozy" with Wall Street, the Massachusetts senator was unusually direct, noting that their "disagreement is a matter of public record."

"At a time when the biggest financial institutions in this country were trying to put the squeeze on millions of hardworking families who are in bankruptcy because of medical problems, job losses, divorce and death in the family, there was nobody to stand up for them," Warren said in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, on the same day that Biden officially announced his candidacy.

And then, with a single sentence, Warren opened up a new chapter in the campaign: "I got in that fight because they just didn't have anyone, and Joe Biden was on the side of the credit card companies."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/02/politics/elizabeth-warren-joe-biden-history-bankruptcy-bill/index.html
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CNN: A decades-old feud looms over Biden and Warren in 2020 (Original Post) cannabis_flower May 2019 OP
She's right Renew Deal May 2019 #1
This doesn't even mention.. cannabis_flower May 2019 #5
Warren wasn't in the Senate but she was a Republican JI7 May 2019 #8
When she was a younger adult there were still people called "liberal Republicans" pnwmom May 2019 #18
Whatabout...excuses Joe? shanny May 2019 #28
Yeah, his history with drug polices isn't all that great either. progressoid May 2019 #20
Lol! Nuggets May 2019 #36
K & R 50 Shades Of Blue May 2019 #2
This is my biggest issue with Biden. Honeycombe8 May 2019 #3
My biggest problem with Elizabeth Warren, who I like, redstateblues May 2019 #14
Well, okay. Honeycombe8 May 2019 #16
I try to focus on the positives of candidates I support... regnaD kciN May 2019 #4
Yep not fooled May 2019 #6
Warren is absolutely correct. WeekiWater May 2019 #7
She's in Massachusetts, where her natural successor in the Senate is Joe Kennedy. pnwmom May 2019 #19
"Natural successor" WeekiWater May 2019 #21
he endorsed Warren for President so he isn't running for 2020 JI7 May 2019 #22
That's my point. WeekiWater May 2019 #23
She could be beneficial as President also JI7 May 2019 #24
He is extremely popular in his district -- so much so that no one even bothered pnwmom May 2019 #25
She ain't lying. Truth is truth. Hassin Bin Sober May 2019 #9
yet, working people and unions love him JI7 May 2019 #10
Yes. delisen May 2019 #12
Maybe it's just ignorance cannabis_flower May 2019 #13
Propaganda? Perception? PR? shanny May 2019 #29
The Senator from MBNA... KeepItReal May 2019 #11
I don't have a problem with Senator Biden representing his constituents. crazytown May 2019 #31
We know what Biden did in the past customerserviceguy May 2019 #15
Well, he can try. cannabis_flower May 2019 #17
What does the veep do, again? shanny May 2019 #30
In the case of the Obama administration customerserviceguy May 2019 #32
yes, Biden called it that. shanny May 2019 #34
Just being able to get the ACA customerserviceguy May 2019 #38
We will continue to disagree. shanny May 2019 #39
Biden was wrong and I believe he's acknowledged that. lark May 2019 #26
Show me where? cannabis_flower May 2019 #27
Boy, the June debates are going to be a free for all RLG May 2019 #33
Vastly overstated. They're both pros whose careers Hortensis May 2019 #35
If you get the chance, check out the video of her testimony tishaLA May 2019 #37
 

Renew Deal

(81,803 posts)
1. She's right
Thu May 2, 2019, 09:08 PM
May 2019

Biden is the poster child for banking influence in US government

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cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
5. This doesn't even mention..
Thu May 2, 2019, 09:14 PM
May 2019

the criminal justice "reforms" he helped push through during the 80's and 90's. Creating the Drug Czar office, civil forfeiture, mandatory minimum sentences, the crack cocaine sentencing disparity, the RAVE act .. the whole ball of wax. He voted for all of it and even wrote some of it. He did help later to get some of the crack cocaine sentencing disparity rolled back, but there's still a disparity, only not as much.

Yeah, maybe Bernie Sanders voted for some of this, but he didn't write it - and Elizabeth Warren wasn't even in the Senate when that was going on.

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JI7

(89,185 posts)
8. Warren wasn't in the Senate but she was a Republican
Thu May 2, 2019, 09:24 PM
May 2019
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pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
18. When she was a younger adult there were still people called "liberal Republicans"
Thu May 2, 2019, 11:16 PM
May 2019

and "conservative Democrats." But she left the party when the two parties divided clearly along liberal/conservative lines, and when she couldn't accept the R's stance on banking and other economic issues.

Some Dems, including Biden, were in the 90's and even 2000's still trying to meet R's in the middle on issues of banking, bankruptcy reform, etc. Not Warren. She was a strong voice for the consumer, and that has pitted her against Biden for decades.

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shanny

(6,709 posts)
28. Whatabout...excuses Joe?
Fri May 3, 2019, 04:24 PM
May 2019

because reasons, I suppose.

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progressoid

(49,827 posts)
20. Yeah, his history with drug polices isn't all that great either.
Thu May 2, 2019, 11:51 PM
May 2019
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Nuggets

(525 posts)
36. Lol!
Sat May 4, 2019, 04:10 PM
May 2019

“Yeah, maybe Bernie Sanders voted for some of this, but he didn't write it -“

I just love the perpetual double standards for Sanders.

That said, I’m rather tired of the presentism used on either candidate.
I remember clearly the media and GOP frightening the public with dire consequences for their kids who would be on drugs if we didn’t imprison all the dealers selling them drugs on the play ground.
Its why school zones have 1000 ft drug free zones around them.

The media/GOP were selling “the Democrats are soft on crime” propaganda at the time in heaping spoonfuls and the public bought it hook line and sinker.

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Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
3. This is my biggest issue with Biden.
Thu May 2, 2019, 09:13 PM
May 2019

Not kissing women's heads, not the Thomas hearing. This bankruptcy bill he got passed. I remember when it passed. My mouth fell open when I heard or read it, because it was so harmful to the average citizen. They were no longer going to be able to get out from under crushing debt from medical bills. It just seemed so wrong and made no sense. It was okay to discharge your debt because you went on a spending spree at Macy's, but not because you got cancer?

Then I remembered that he was a senator for Delaware, the state where a lot of corporations register because the state is so friendly to corporations.

I don't remember that it was specifically tied to credit cards, but maybe it was.

I like Biden. But this is the biggest problem I have with him.

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redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
14. My biggest problem with Elizabeth Warren, who I like,
Thu May 2, 2019, 09:55 PM
May 2019

Is that her electability is tenuous. In this cycle that is the end all and be all. She made some early mistakes that would be problematic in the general. I don’t think she would beat Trump. It’s not right but that’s my take.

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Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
16. Well, okay.
Thu May 2, 2019, 10:06 PM
May 2019

But do you have a comment about the original post?

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regnaD kciN

(26,035 posts)
4. I try to focus on the positives of candidates I support...
Thu May 2, 2019, 09:13 PM
May 2019

...rather than the shortcomings of those I don’t, but I side with Warren here; Biden’s embrace of the Bush bankruptcy-“reform” law is a genuine black mark on his record for me. At that time, I was in pretty severe financial straits (fortunately, not anymore), and it was sickening for me to see any Democrat champion a law that had me thinking might well cost us everything we owned and leave us homeless, all for the benefit of the megabanks.


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not fooled

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6. Yep
Thu May 2, 2019, 09:17 PM
May 2019

Excellent comments above. It's the historical record.

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WeekiWater

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7. Warren is absolutely correct.
Thu May 2, 2019, 09:23 PM
May 2019

And it’s why we must have her in the senate. We have one of the best group of senators we have had in a long time. A couple more and the future will dramatically change for the better.

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pnwmom

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19. She's in Massachusetts, where her natural successor in the Senate is Joe Kennedy.
Thu May 2, 2019, 11:19 PM
May 2019

And I'm sure MA could find someone else good to replace him in the House.

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WeekiWater

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21. "Natural successor"
Fri May 3, 2019, 07:13 AM
May 2019

I hear he is running for President as well.

I know what we have. I like it and think we should build off of it.

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JI7

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22. he endorsed Warren for President so he isn't running for 2020
Fri May 3, 2019, 07:23 AM
May 2019
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WeekiWater

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23. That's my point.
Fri May 3, 2019, 07:57 AM
May 2019

Speculation is just that.

Love Warren. I think she is hugely beneficial in the senate and isn’t simply replaceable.

That and I kind of got a laugh out of “natural successor.”

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JI7

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24. She could be beneficial as President also
Fri May 3, 2019, 07:59 AM
May 2019
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pnwmom

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25. He is extremely popular in his district -- so much so that no one even bothered
Fri May 3, 2019, 12:11 PM
May 2019

to run against him last time. And he has widespread name recognition.

Many in MA are certain he will be a Senator someday. It's just a question of when.

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Hassin Bin Sober

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9. She ain't lying. Truth is truth.
Thu May 2, 2019, 09:25 PM
May 2019
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JI7

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10. yet, working people and unions love him
Thu May 2, 2019, 09:25 PM
May 2019

shows it's about something else more than policy.

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cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
13. Maybe it's just ignorance
Thu May 2, 2019, 09:39 PM
May 2019

Perhaps they don't know what he voted for in the Senate.

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shanny

(6,709 posts)
29. Propaganda? Perception? PR?
Fri May 3, 2019, 04:26 PM
May 2019

None of those are "reality" btw. I prefer reality, myself.

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KeepItReal

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11. The Senator from MBNA...
Thu May 2, 2019, 09:36 PM
May 2019

Never forgot that label.

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crazytown

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31. I don't have a problem with Senator Biden representing his constituents.
Fri May 3, 2019, 07:24 PM
May 2019

What I do have a problem with is when confronted with the evidence that the operation of his Bankruptcy Act would gut women at the most vulnerable times of their lives - illness, unemployment, divorce, he brushed it off with smarmy condescension- ‘You’re very good Professor’.

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customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
15. We know what Biden did in the past
Thu May 2, 2019, 09:59 PM
May 2019

and it paid off with less than one percent support in the 2008 Iowa caucuses. He'd be smart if he kept the focus on what he did during the eight years under President Obama.

I don't recall him hindering or squashing pro-consumer legislation during that time.

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cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
17. Well, he can try.
Thu May 2, 2019, 10:07 PM
May 2019

But I'm not sure his opponents will let him keep the focus there.

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shanny

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30. What does the veep do, again?
Fri May 3, 2019, 04:28 PM
May 2019

Legislatively or administratively?

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customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
32. In the case of the Obama administration
Sat May 4, 2019, 02:13 PM
May 2019

a lot. Joe shepherded a lot of Barack Obama's wish list through the 2009-2010 Congress, including the BFD of the ACA. It also included then-professor Warren's consumer finance protection legislation.

Joe Biden was no Dan Quayle.

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shanny

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34. yes, Biden called it that.
Sat May 4, 2019, 03:47 PM
May 2019

in truth it was far less of a BFD than it could and should have been. And maybe it's just me but I don't recall anyone in the administration doing much of anything while the ACA languished for MONTHS while Democratic Senators did everything but backflips to get even ONE Republican Senator on board--was that the "shepherding" to which you refer? Because if it was then it was a bust and nothing to brag about: not with a super majority in the House and 60 votes in the Senate.

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customerserviceguy

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38. Just being able to get the ACA
Tue May 7, 2019, 04:32 PM
May 2019

was a triumph that exceeded what any prior administration ever could do. No, the GOP'ers did not sign on board, but just trying to get the Bernie Sanders wing of the party and the Blue Dogs to agree on something was an accomplishment. No, it wasn't perfect, but it was better than nothing.

Joe Biden is responsible for just about any legislative success that the Obama administration accomplished.

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shanny

(6,709 posts)
39. We will continue to disagree.
Tue May 7, 2019, 08:53 PM
May 2019
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lark

(23,006 posts)
26. Biden was wrong and I believe he's acknowledged that.
Fri May 3, 2019, 12:14 PM
May 2019

He learns, or at least he sure seems to.

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cannabis_flower

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27. Show me where?
Fri May 3, 2019, 01:02 PM
May 2019

I've looked for evidence and haven't found much. I think he's acknowledged the crack cocaine disparity was wrong but not much else.

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RLG

(314 posts)
33. Boy, the June debates are going to be a free for all
Sat May 4, 2019, 02:32 PM
May 2019

It'll be interesting to see the exchange between Warren and Biden over this.

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
35. Vastly overstated. They're both pros whose careers
Sat May 4, 2019, 04:01 PM
May 2019

as legislators are all about are based on arriving at agreement on what's needed and how to do it. He's known for occasionally being too agreeable, she doesn't have that problem, but they've been working together for years.

I believe Bernie Sanders is the only person in the current Democratic senate caucus who'd really prefer to lose everything than compromise, but even for him that's not usually a problem in his work as a senator. Typically, his colleagues in leadership and on the various committees decide what's needed, study and negotiate what and how, and then write the legislation. When party leaders have steered it to conclusion, then a large majority, including Sanders, vote for it.

Senator Biden (when he was in the senate) and Senator Warren have been doing that for years. During campaigning, they of course emphasize differences to stand out in the minds of voters and skip the coming-together steps entirely, but not to be mislead by that.

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tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
37. If you get the chance, check out the video of her testimony
Sat May 4, 2019, 05:43 PM
May 2019

From 2005. He "questions " her for about ten minutes, but it's less a questioning than it is him pontificating for the vast majority of it and asking her hypotheticals that have zero to do with the matter at hand.

I don't dislike Mr Biden, but it was a shameful performance. It was the kind of thing you see when someone is more interested in the sound of his own voice and uninterested in hearing another opinion.

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