I'm a GenX Dad w/ 3 millennial kids ALL of whom are thrilled with Biden's candidacy. Anecdotally...

[malchickiwick]

... this is my own experience: My kids love Joe, literally love him as a person, as a consensus builder, as a HUMAN BEING, and, of course, as a candidate, not least because they see him as an extension of the presidency of our beloved Obama.

They tended towards Bernie in 2016, but, of course, all three voted for HRC. They have now shied away from Bernie as a result of his Bernie Bro baggage, and so seem really on board ideologically with Senator Warren (who has ALWAYS seemed to me to be WAY more electable than Senator Sanders, as much as I love his ideology).

After a quick dad poll, I think their dream ticket is Biden/Warren. But they are on board with whomever we nominate, obviously. Speaking as one dad, my millennial kids and their peers are motivated more than I have ever seen from a youngish cohort in my 50 years. Of course, I'm a bit too young to remember the late Sixties (born in late 1968).

Go Joe. Go Us. Nothing less than the future of our precious Republic is at stake.

On edit: I personally voted for Senator Clinton in the 2008 primary; none of my kids were old enough to vote that year. I consider President Obama the greatest chief executive of my lifetime, and top 3 of the 20th century; top 10 all time.

[pnwmom]

1. It will be interesting to see if younger people turn out in higher numbers than before.

Unfortunately for Joe Biden, the women who were introduced to him during the Anita Hill hearings, and later watched him fight with Elizabeth Warren for decades over his anti-consumer banking legislation, are at an age to vote in high numbers.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/02/politics/elizabeth-warren-joe-biden-history-bankruptcy-bill/index.html

Despite being born only about six-and-half years apart, Biden, 76, and Warren, 69, have come to symbolize distinct and competing factions within the Democratic party. Along with her ideological ally, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, Warren has been at the forefront of a progressive resurgence determined to unmoor the old establishment, pushing it left with the promise of deliverance from a "corrupt" and increasingly unequal economic order. Biden, meanwhile, is pitching himself as an experienced bipartisan statesman and safe harbor for Democrats -- and maybe some Republicans -- worried, as he is, that another term of Trump threatens to "forever and fundamentally alter the character of this nation."

Like most of the Democratic candidates in the 2020 field, Warren has so far largely steered clear of commenting on -- let alone, attacking -- her rivals.

But when asked last week whether the former vice president was "too cozy" with Wall Street, the Massachusetts senator was unusually direct, noting that their "disagreement is a matter of public record."

"At a time when the biggest financial institutions in this country were trying to put the squeeze on millions of hardworking families who are in bankruptcy because of medical problems, job losses, divorce and death in the family, there was nobody to stand up for them," Warren said in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, on the same day that Biden officially announced his candidacy.

And then, with a single sentence, Warren opened up a new chapter in the campaign: "I got in that fight because they just didn't have anyone, and Joe Biden was on the side of the credit card companies."

[WeekiWater]

3. Yet Biden is polling off the charts with those groups.

And as you say, they were introduced to these things decades ago.

[pnwmom]

4. I doubt he'll be able to continue skating on name recognition once we reach the primaries,

and he has to explain his past positions and where he stands now.

[WeekiWater]

6. I think he can keep skating.

The only real place he can take a hit is in the debates. Like you said, the issues you bring up are known and old. He will gain support every time Anita Hill is brought up and the Warren one requires people to read. Neither he or Warren are going to get nasty with each other.

I don’t think he needs detailed policy positions. I don’t think he needs to explain the past outside of answering questions in debates. He is controlling his message well and I see that continuing.

Biden is running on leadership, hope and inspiration. He will outline some bland policy positions that fall inline with the party platform. Everyone knows he will work with the Democrats in Congress.

It’s not going to be an easy road but I don’t see anyone with an easier path. Sanders appears to be the only one who wants a fight and he’s tanking.

[LongtimeAZDem]

8. Nicely put

[pnwmom]

10. Oh, sure. They'll love it when they hear what he had to say about millennials a year ago.

How he has no empathy for them because HE grew up in the 60's.

And they'll be just fine knowing that he helped make it impossible for students to ever get out from under a mountain of student debt, even though bankruptcy.

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-says-millennials-dont-have-it-tough-780348

Millennials who think that times are tough in 2018 have no room to complain, according to former Vice President Joe Biden, who said that he had “no empathy” for young people who compared today to the struggles of the 1960s.

“The younger generation now tells me how tough things are—give me a break,” said Biden, while speaking to Patt Morrison of the Los Angeles Times to promote his new book. “No, no, I have no empathy for it, give me a break.”

Biden compared the complaints of millennials to what he experienced growing up in the 1960s and '70s, mentioning the civil rights and women’s liberation movements that were gaining traction simultaneously with the Vietnam War, making the United States a troubling place for young activists at the time.

“Here’s the deal, guys,” continued Biden. “We decided we were going to change the world, and we did.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/04/26/why-warren-is-calling-biden-out/?utm_term=.8816ecf076cc

Warren took Biden on both in the New York Times and in a book she co-authored, “The Two-Income Trap.” She repeatedly pointed out that standing up for women’s interests didn’t simply mean supporting the right to choose an abortion, or backing legislation to protect women from domestic violence, but it also meant looking out for their economic rights, too. And women were more likely to turn to bankruptcy than men — hit hard by what she described as a combination of “unemployment, medical bills and divorce.”

Warren eventually lost the battle in 2005, when more than a dozen Democratic senators joined Biden in voting for the change, which, among other things, all but eliminated the right for student loan debtors to offload privately issued student loans in court, substantially raised the cost of filing for protection from creditors and made it harder to discharge unsecured debt such as credit card bills. The change, according to the New York Federal Reserve, contributed to the subprime mortgage crisis. The reason? It made it both harder for people to afford their mortgage bills, while reducing their incentive to prioritize their housing payment over other monies owed. That’s as much a part of Biden’s legacy as his time as vice president.

[WeekiWater]

27. That millennial one.... Huge deal... Huge.

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Yeah. That’s really going to do it. The great millennial Mayor Pete will be rallying for Middle Class Joe in the general. As will many other great millennials. No, not all will vote for him. Not all from any group will vote for him. But we will keep working on you.

[pnwmom]

34. Or maybe Biden will be rallying for the great millennial Pete Buttigieg.

The primaries haven't even started yet and no one knows what's going to happen.

[WeekiWater]

35. No doubt about it.

Here are some more talking points to add to the ones you are promoting above.

About Vice President Biden's Efforts to End Violence Against Women

On June 20, 1990, then-Senator Joe Biden introduced the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA) in the United States Congress. This act was a landmark piece of legislation that changed the way our country responded to domestic violence and sexual assault. VAWA changed law enforcement practices, improved the criminal justice system, and created a network of services for victims. The bill established new federal crimes of interstate domestic violence and stalking, doubled penalties for repeat sex offenders, and sparked the passage of laws at the state level to protect victims. Since the passage of the Violence Against Women Act in 1994, rates of domestic violence have decreased by over 50%.

As Vice President, Joe Biden has continued to advocate on behalf of women. Upon entering office, the Vice President appointed the first ever White House Advisor on Violence Against Women, Lynn Rosenthal. In this role, Ms. Rosenthal advises the Vice President on the issues of domestic violence and sexual assault, serves as a liaison to the domestic violence and sexual assault advocacy community and promotes collaboration across federal agencies. This interagency approach to reducing violence against women has resulted in an unprecedented level of coordination among federal agencies.

Vice President Biden has focused specifically on strengthening efforts to reduce dating violence against students, teens, and young women ages 16-24. Young women in this age group face the highest rates of dating violence and sexual assault. Nearly one in five college women will be the victim of a sexual assault, and one in ten teens will be hurt by someone they are dating. Men are also survivors of this violence. Because even one incident is too many, in September 2011, the Vice President launched the 1is2many initiative. 1is2many uses technology and outreach to get the message out and to help reduce dating violence and sexual assault among students, teens and young adults. The Vice President is also working hard to improve the response to sexual assault and dating violence on college campuses, ensuring that students can pursue their education free from violence.

On January 22, 2014, the Vice President joined President Obama when he created the White House Task Force to Protect Students from Sexual Assault. The Office of the Vice President currently co-chairs the interagency taskforce along with the White House Council on Women and Girls. President Barack Obama has charged the task force with sharing best practices along with increasing transparency, enforcement, and public awareness to protect and support survivors. The Office of the Vice President and the White House Council on Women and Girls also published a report on sexual violence entitled, “Rape and Sexual Assault: A Renewed Call to Action.” The Vice President and the Task Force are working hard to partner across government, education, academia, and communities everywhere to ensure that all students feel safe, secure, and in position to thrive when they head to school, and out into the world.

Obama White House Archives

The President and Vice President Speak on Preventing Sexual Assault

Vice President Biden Visits the National Domestic Violence Hotline

Summary: Vice President Biden created the National Domestic Violence Hotline in the Violence Against Women Act in 1994 (VAWA) and has long championed the cause of ending domestic violence.

Obama White House Archives

No One Should Have to Live in Fear of Violence

Summary: Thanks to the bipartisan Violence Against Women Act, which President Obama signed today, thousands of women and men across the country who are victims of domestic violence, sexual assault, dating violence and stalking will be able to access resources they need in their communities to help heal from their trauma

Obama White House Archives

This is the Joe Biden you rarely see

This week, Joe Biden is set to announce his candidacy for president. Forgive me for getting ahead of the punditry clutter with this story.

Meetings in the Oval Office with President Obama and Vice President Biden to discuss Democratic House races were always thrilling. Notably, the body language was instructive. The president would sit straight in his chair, cerebral and analytical, absorbing the analysis I presented as chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. The vice president would hunch forward with his arms outstretched, as if waiting to dive into one of the districts and campaign there himself.

At one such meeting in 2011, I was struggling to concentrate. My dad, who was living in Arizona, had just received a diagnosis of lung cancer. The prognosis was not good. On the way to the White House, I stopped to pick up a “get well” card. My plan was to ask the president to sign it. My dad was a fervent Democrat, and perhaps one of the only Democrats in the retirement community of Ahwatukee Foothills in Phoenix.

After the meeting, I asked the president to sign the card. To my chagrin, he nodded no, then went to his desk, pulled out a drawer, grabbed a piece of stationery, and wrote a personal note. As I left, Biden asked me to join him in his West Wing office. I thought we were going to review maps of competitive districts. Instead, he said, “Your dad’s condition is going to one of the hardest things your mom will go through. I’d like to call her.”

The Hill

Gloria Steinam Talks To Joe Biden About Violence Against Women

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Donate To Joe Biden!

[oasis]

49. "Positives" for Joe we need to hear more about. Thanks for posting.

[Hortensis]

50. As Malchikiwik and Weekiwater say.

Btw, PNW, there are enormous ideological differences between Warren and Sanders. This is very basic stuff. Warren and Biden would be able to work together. Sanders considers them both corrupt and probably despises Warren more for providing doable, viable ways of achieving goals within the system. She's certainly very bit as much of a threat to his revolution as Biden.

Can you really see Elizabeth Warren visiting Nicaragua as a guest of Marxist strongman Daniel Ortega and smiling and pumping fist fist as Ortega blamed all the nation's problems on evil America? To this day, Sanders doesn't criticize Ortega, a full-fledged murderous dictator, even though his people do.

Financial Times: "We were OK with the government before,” the 47-year-old former hardware store employee says, leaning on his shovel. But now, “I’d prefer a president who doesn’t kill us”.

Now, how about trying to imagine Warren ideologically committed, as Sanders is, to socialist seizure of virtually all business and other institutions? After the revolution, of course. (Democratic socialism only refers to how it'd be controlled.)

Warren is committed to using established government to reform itself and make big changes, as FDR's government once did, including putting a leash back on capitalism. Extremist hostility to capitalism is foreign to her. In fact, massive misunderstanding, and perhaps wishful thinking, have required her to state unequivocally that she is not a socialist.

[True Blue American]

63. Great points

Hortensis.

I did not know that about Ortega. Seems someone really loves Dictators. Reminds me of someone else.

[Hortensis]

64. :) Well, enough similarities between populist leaders

and their followers to be constantly struck, but huge differences too. It's really fascinating. Wish I were a political scientist able to knowledgeably observe and analyze this era.

One has always believed in socialist revolutions and revolutionaries and accepts that righteous revolutions require ruthlessness in leaders and sacrifice from the people. And apparently that they may take several decades or more to succeed, but never give up on the revolution.

Trump of course craves the personal power murderous dictators have over their people.

Left, right, but both harnessing populist hostility toward "elites" and always trying to draw those types from each other's crowds, one a lot more needy right now of course.

[True Blue American]

71. The only Revolution

We need right now is a sensible normal, well versed person in charge who knows the difference between ranting at others. One, who can work with others, encourage and lead in the right direction.

Whoever that turns out to be will get my vote.

[Hortensis]

72. +100. Happily, the midterms and all polls say the same.

[Celerity]

32. +1

[yardwork]

59. I agree. Well said.

[Cha]

11. President Obama disagrees with your "skating on name recognition" insult..

In A Surprise Send-Off, Obama Awards Biden Presidential Medal Of Freedom

snip//

Calling the former longtime Delaware senator "the best vice president America's ever had" and a "lion of American history," Obama gave his White House partner the surprise award in an emotional ceremony, initially billed as a farewell.

After extolling the job that Biden has done, Obama ended it with the unexpected news that he was giving the vice president the nation's highest civilian honor, with distinction — a designation most recently given to President Ronald Reagan, Pope John Paul II and Gen. Colin Powell.

"To know Joe Biden is to know love without pretense, service without self-regard, and to live life fully," Obama said.

snip//

Throughout the ceremony it was evident not just how close the two men were but how close their families and staffs had become, and Obama said his "family is honored to call ourselves honorary Bidens."

https://www.npr.org/2017/01/12/509545778/in-surprise-send-off-president-obama-awards-biden-presidential-medal-of-freedom

Transcript of President Obama's speech..

He fought to make college more affordable and revitalized American manufacturing, as the head of our middle-class taskforce. He suited up for Our Cancer Moonshot and giving hope to millions of Americans touched by this disease.

He led our efforts to combat gun violence. And he rooted out any possible misappropriations that might’ve occurred. And as a consequence, the recovery act worked as well as just about any large- scale stimulus project has ever worked in this country. He visited college after college and made friends with Lady Gaga…

Behind the scenes, Joe’s candid honest council has made me a better president and a better commander in chief. From the Situation Room, to our weekly lunches, to our huddles after everybody else has cleared out of the room, he’s been unafraid to give it to me straight, even if we disagree.

In fact, especially, when we disagree. And all of this makes, in my belief, the finest vice president we have ever seen. And I also think he has been a lion of American history.
The best part is, he’s no where close to finished. In the years ahead as a citizen, he will continue to build on that legacy internationally and domestically. He’s got a voice of vision and reason and optimism and love for people and we’re gonna need that — that spirit and that vision as we continue to try to make our world safer and to make sure that everybody’s got a fair shot in this country.

snip//

So all told, that’s a pretty remarkable legacy, an amazing career in public service. It is, as Joe once said, “a big deal.”

Much More..
http://time.com/4633826/joe-biden-obama-presidential-medal-freedom/

[JustAnotherGen]

23. Warren has to explain

Being a Republican in 1994 to Gen X and older black women.


Politico article highlighting key moments in her book:
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/12/elizabeth-warren-profile-young-republican-2020-president-226613

Now - I have read her book. To me? The shift in 1996 was because her friend/colleague brought her to Washington. Not because she had some major moral change. Her loss to GWB in 2005 after almost a decade of focused work is what brought her into the fold.

Let's not good the lily - ANY candidate older than MY generation is flawed . . . To me.

I remain undecided, I reside in NJ (end of the road for the primary) - so I have no skin in the game this early.

It's a waste of time.

But I call bullshit on ALL of the supporters of the Senior Candidates and the virtue signaling.

Give me the positives the next 13 months so I can make an informed decision IF it's not already determined by June 2020. If there are two or three candidates left in the race at that point - the supporters perspective, priorities, and approach will influence me . . . Just as it did in 2016.

[Demsrule86]

46. No he doesn't. People change and grow over the years. Your dislike Biden and simply don't

understand that having a long career has both benefits and problems. The drawbacks are all the crap posted here and elsewhere. The positives are, people know who he is...vice president for eight years. He was the first to sponsor climate change and wrote and passed the violence against women act. I think he will be the nominee and will beat Trump. It will be a tough election and we need to be prepared.

[Cha]

12. And, Joe Biden goes way beyond the

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"skating on name recognition".

In A Surprise Send-Off, Obama Awards Biden Presidential Medal Of Freedom

snip//

Calling the former longtime Delaware senator "the best vice president America's ever had" and a "lion of American history," Obama gave his White House partner the surprise award in an emotional ceremony, initially billed as a farewell.

After extolling the job that Biden has done, Obama ended it with the unexpected news that he was giving the vice president the nation's highest civilian honor, with distinction — a designation most recently given to President Ronald Reagan, Pope John Paul II and Gen. Colin Powell.

"To know Joe Biden is to know love without pretense, service without self-regard, and to live life fully," Obama said.

snip//

Throughout the ceremony it was evident not just how close the two men were but how close their families and staffs had become, and Obama said his "family is honored to call ourselves honorary Bidens."

https://www.npr.org/2017/01/12/509545778/in-surprise-send-off-president-obama-awards-biden-presidential-medal-of-freedom

Transcript of President Obama's speech..

He fought to make college more affordable and revitalized American manufacturing, as the head of our middle-class taskforce. He suited up for Our Cancer Moonshot and giving hope to millions of Americans touched by this disease.

He led our efforts to combat gun violence. And he rooted out any possible misappropriations that might’ve occurred. And as a consequence, the recovery act worked as well as just about any large- scale stimulus project has ever worked in this country. He visited college after college and made friends with Lady Gaga…

Behind the scenes, Joe’s candid honest council has made me a better president and a better commander in chief. From the Situation Room, to our weekly lunches, to our huddles after everybody else has cleared out of the room, he’s been unafraid to give it to me straight, even if we disagree.

In fact, especially, when we disagree. And all of this makes, in my belief, the finest vice president we have ever seen. And I also think he has been a lion of American history.
The best part is, he’s no where close to finished. In the years ahead as a citizen, he will continue to build on that legacy internationally and domestically. He’s got a voice of vision and reason and optimism and love for people and we’re gonna need that — that spirit and that vision as we continue to try to make our world safer and to make sure that everybody’s got a fair shot in this country.

snip//

So all told, that’s a pretty remarkable legacy, an amazing career in public service. It is, as Joe once said, “a big deal.”

Much More..
http://time.com/4633826/joe-biden-obama-presidential-medal-freedom/

[pnwmom]

14. And yet, Obama hasn't endorsed him.

Yes, I know the official line is that Biden asked him not to. If Biden had any reason to think he might not get an endorsement, that would have been a wise plan -- to not put Obama in that position.

[Cha]

15. So? President is staying out of the

primaries.

Disregard what President Obama said about his VP.. I don't care. I posted this, and I'm not going to argue anymore about it.

[Demsrule86]

47. Oh come on. Biden had his people say nice stuff. Doa1 you really believe Obama has

any reservations about Biden?

[malchickiwick]

18. I feel like your post shows exactly why a Biden/ Warren ticket could be so unifying.

Sure, we can let the pundits highlight our differences, but what, I think, the country, old and young alike, seeks now is a way forward that levels the playing field without turning it to cinders. Attempts to paint Vice President Biden as an enemy of the working class are doomed to failure, while a fusion of Biden's and Warren's ideas have a chance to electrify an electorate. Just one old lib's opinion, though. Make of it as you choose.

[pnwmom]

20. Maybe a Warren/Biden ticket. nt

[malchickiwick]

21. Elizabeth Warren as president would make me so proud and restore my hope in so many ways!

I'd happily cast my ballot for a Warren/Any Democrat ticket.

[True Blue American]

73. I like that!

[DownriverDem]

25. Really?

Nothing in Biden's past compares with trump. Foreign leaders were begging him to run. He can beat trump. He won't take trump's crap. trump does not want to run against Biden. trump needs Pennsylvania. Biden can win Pennsylvania. He was born and raised in Pennsylvania. Biden has a close relationship with blue collar workers. They will support him because they know how much trump has screwed him. I would love to see a Biden/Harris ticket. We have never had a women VP. She would then be positioned to become president.

[Nuggets]

76. But what about his aaaaggggee!

Geez.
Just waiting to be told that Ginsburg out to retire right away. After all she’s waaaaay to old to grasp today’s issues.

[pnwmom]

80. There are several Democrats who can beat Trump, IMHO. We will know more after

some debates and primaries.

[Honeycombe8]

79. I wish I had $1 for every time I heard/read: The young people are really going to turn out this time

Sometimes they turn out more, sometimes less. But always far less than older people, and less than were expected to.

Having said that, a high number turned out for Obama in every Dem Party demographic, as I recall.
Here's hoping that's duplicated in 2020.

[WeekiWater]

2. Great job dad.

I’m only a couple of years younger than you and my first and only son just turned two.

Thanks for sharing.

[malchickiwick]

19. Thanks and enjoy that two-year-old!!

They grow up so fast (cliche, but TRUE).

[hlthe2b]

24. Indeed. I remain undecided, but after all the ageism posted on this site, thrilled to hear about

your kids... Someone raised them right.

[uawchild]

5. Nice to hear that your 3 millennial kids ALL support Elizabeth Warren

It's nice that while they, as you put it, seem really on board ideologically with Senator Warren that they also have warm feelings for Joe Biden too.

Ask them to consider a WARREN-BOOKER ticket, I think they will find that Cory's positions complement Warren's very well.

Cheers!

[malchickiwick]

7. I think that would be an extremely strong ticket too.

I (and my kids) consider Senator Booker an absolute PATRIOT. Honestly, if he emerges from the primaries I will be elated. I consider his articulation of the dangers currently facing our Republic second to none and would be proud to give him my vote.

[NYMinute]

9. You must be so proud

You must have a lovely clan

[malchickiwick]

16. Thanks, I am definitely very proud of my kiddos.

We all love Beto too, of course, and would be proud to support him and will. He energizes all of us, old and young alike. Great candidate!

[Cha]

13. Wow, malchickiwick! That's really

interesting and so Nice to hear!

I like the way your kids think! Biden must affect more than a few kids that way.. judging from the polls in that age category.

Mahalo so much for sharing their political adventure with us.

[malchickiwick]

17. Thanks, and I do feel a lot of youthful for the Vice President.

Genuine appeal to young people -- that's what I hear about Joe. His realness is appeals across generational lines.

[Cha]

22. That's wonderful to hear

your perspective on Biden.

We need someone like that who can appeal to all ages, genders, and multiracial.

[redstatebluegirl]

51. I think Joe makes them feel safe.

The last 2 years everyone, especially our young people sense that we are not safe. The constant turmoil is taking its toll on everyone. One of my students told me last week he like Biden, he said that he was "solid" "experienced" and would return our country to where it was with Obama. This is a 25 year old graduate student.

[Cha]

61. Thank you so much for

telling me that, redstatebluegirl!

I love these hopeful anecdotes.

[IluvPitties]

26. I am a Millennial with Biden too!

He is the sidekick of the best president in our lifetimes, and a man with the knowledge and experience to fix the mess Trump has created.

[malchickiwick]

56. Great to Hear It!! Thanks!

I agree; if President Obama trusted him for 8 years, so do I!

[samnsara]

28. you are a GREAT dad!

[GWC58]

29. I'm a baby boomer with a GenZ child, a

future Democrat. My 13 year old can’t stand Trump. He’s going to root for whoever gets the nomination! I’m close to making my decision, but I’m not there yet. 🤔

[Prosper]

30. Hard to figure.

OP said: "WAY more electable than Senator Sanders, as much as I love his ideology)."

Why can't the person that addresses all the issues facing the middle class get elected. Biden represents all the positions that didn't get Hillary elected.

[Cha]

31. No you're wrong.. you act like you have

no idea what Hillary represented.

She had the most progressive platform ever in a Democratic Candidate.

Most of us on this thread want VP Biden.. and misrepresenting Hillary isn't going to win you any converts to BS.

[Prosper]

39. Where did I misrepresent Hillary

She ran and she lost.. Biden is very similar to Hillary but more centrist. How does that make him winning 2020?

[Cha]

40. Hillary didn't "lose" because of

her "positions".

Right now Biden is polling ahead of trump in Arizona.. and he's leading in all demographics with Dems. So right now he's looking like the one to beat trump.

[Demsrule86]

42. Biden is progressive ...who attracts moderates. Joe put a climate change bill

On the floor years ago.

[Demsrule86]

43. Because he is an avowed socialist in the eyes of voters, he is not a Democrat,

Some (including me ) don't think he helped Hillary in the 16 general and he won't win a general.

[Mariana]

54. Hillary didn't lose because of her positions.

She lost because of a very successful decades-long hate campaign against her, in which she was consistently portrayed as frankly evil and dangerous, combined with plenty of sexism. There were just way too many people who would never vote for her because of those reasons, regardless of her positions. How else did Trump, of all people, get the majority of the Christian votes?

Biden doesn't have anywhere near as much of that unfortunate baggage.

[Prosper]

78. Hillary suffered the most unfortunate circumstances ever

Trump was a freak of nature who would have beaten anybody. He didn't want to win, did everything possible to lose including spending half as much money as Hillary. She did nothing wrong. Trump is the evil that develops from a tax code that hurts the country instead of helping it. The GOP is to blame for destroying capitalism and promoting a fascist plutocracy. Uncontrolled money creates self serving undeserving controllers .

[Kahuna7]

33. This is for you!

[progressoid]

36. Me too! And my daughters are NOT even interested in Biden's candidacy.

All of them think he's a centrist and they aren't interested in more of that.

[Cha]

37. Thanks for Kicking malchickiwick's

positive thread about what his kids really like about Joe Biden.

[progressoid]

38. That's what this forum is all about.

Whomever gets the most kicks wins!11!

[Cha]

44. No, you're wrong.. but thanks for

kicking his OP.. again.

[malchickiwick]

55. OK, I understand that. So whom do they favor? Or are they, like you, still undecided?

I should have mentioned, my kiddos are two daughters and a son. I think in a perfect world they, like your daughters, would prefer somebody a bit further to the left, but they also know that it really comes down to winning PA, OH, WI, etc.

[Demsrule86]

41. My millennials love Joe too.

He is a great guy.

[True Blue American]

45. Listening to Doctor Jill Biden

Thinking about her long History in Teaching. Hard not to make the comparison of what is there now.

[Demsrule86]

48. Jill Biden is lovely and will make a wonderful first lady.

[Hortensis]

69. A working teacher would make a wonderful role model.

[Demsrule86]

70. Yes indeed.

[JonLP24]

52. Bernie Bro is a smear

and anyone who uses it is a propagandist. A muslim Bernie Sanders supporter got Islamaphobic hate mail because she confronted Chelsea Clinton over a tweet she made during the height of the Ilhan Omar outrage.

[malchickiwick]

53. Its shorthand for the type of vocal BS supporter who BOOED (!!) HRC at the convention.

They were smeared by their own behavior at the Democratic National Convention; don't pass that smear on to me.

And to target Chelsea Clinton, of all people, as a way to counter Islamaphobia seems like just more BS supporter BS, frankly.

[JonLP24]

57. You're using BS

Your behavior is more problematic than mine. I don't use the term "Hillbot" out of respect and to not lower myself to the level of people who use terms like "Bernie Bro" (Just like "Obama Boys" 2008) and people booed Bernie Sanders for coming out for Hillary Clinton at his own rally. Don't hold everyone responsible I'm just a poor nobody, I couldn't afford a ticket to the convention. I don't hold Clinton responsible for her fans behavior and she has some very awful ones.

When Chelsea Clinton criticized Omar she was being disingenuous and her comment ratio was negative. Whether the Bernie supporter was right or wrong she didn't deserve all the hate that followed which you seem to not have a problem with. Only Bernie Supporters are guilty got it.

Chelsea Clinton has a lot more power & privilege than a lower income Muslim college student.

[malchickiwick]

58. If you can't admit Bernie Sanders has some serious baggage as a result of what happened in 2016,

(which is what I put in my OP) then I can't help you there, friend. And since I'd never even heard the term Hillbot prior to a few moments ago, I think you help further my point. AND, if its privilege you find so disconcerting... Well, I happen to like Bernie a lot, but you have to admit he has enjoyed a life full of it too.

[yardwork]

60. Everybody is tired of the drama.

Bernie and his surrogates constantly complain about how they're being treated. It gets old.

[Demsrule86]

62. She shouldn't have publicly attacked Chelsea. I saw the video and thought she behaved badly.

[Hortensis]

68. Well, yes, but earned. I don't use it because,

although most of Sanders' followers of this type are male, the sort of people who could and would believe and spread vicious lies as SOP and yell to "lock her up" are both male and female.

Not all Sanders' supporters are this type, by any means. Just some, but they're major troublemakers and tend to dominate groups they're a significant part of.

Maybe read about populism and the people it draws. Those who combine both economic progressivism and social conservatism are so ubiquitous in populist movements that they are practically defining. And as we know, social conservatives can have a tendency to get downright nasty toward people they don't like and many can tend not to like a lot of people.

Maybe think what that means for behaviors and why Sanders' delegates at the Democratic National Convention acted just like Trump's. "Lock her up!" Remember?

Maybe check this out for a start because "Berniebros" reminded me of it:

Scientific American: The Personality Trait That Is Ripping America (and the World) Apart: People who are antagonistic resonate more with populist messages

There are many divides in the world right now. But there's one divide, deeply embedded into the core of human nature, that helps explain many other divides. What I'm referring to is a source of human personality variation that is built right into our DNA: antagonism. By really zooming in on this trait, and understanding how antagonism interacts with environmental conditioning and messaging, we can gain a greater understanding of one of the most prominent divides in the world today: populism.

First, let's dive in to the latest science of antagonism.

Agreeableness (the opposite pole of antagonism) consists of two main aspects: politeness and compassion. ... On the other end of the pole, people with low levels of politeness (antagonistic people) tend to score high on measures of aggression, whereas those with low levels of compassion tend to score poorly on measures of empathy. ...

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/the-personality-trait-that-is-ripping-america-and-the-world-apart/

See where this is going and how it's going to explain "BernieBro," that is, populist, behaviors?

Btw, this below is fun and worth noting also. Everyone will recognize America's current two top populist leaders, "outsider-elites" Sanders and Trump, in this striking observation.

Interestingly enough, populist supporters don't actually want to be led by the "common person"; rather, they want their own values and wishes to be enacted by a "great" leader. Mudde has found that most populist leaders are actually "outsider-elites"; they are highly connected to the elites, but they are not part of the elites. Supporters of populism simply don't want to be governed by an "alien" elite, whose policies do not directly satisfy their own wishes and concerns.

[True Blue American]

74. Antagonism

Turns me off the minute I hear it. Anything that relies on hurting or insulting others does not work.

I probaly am guilty,too, but if all you have is denigrating others that i it.

I prefer positive in my Politicians.

[Hortensis]

75. Umhm. Only positive, uniting people can build.

[True Blue American]

77. True!

I try to do that in my daily life. Things so simple as holding a door for someone.

That quarter for a cart in the store? Pass it on. You have no idea how many I see searching for a quarter. Simple, every day things Do matter. Turn a frown into a smile.

[crazytown]

65. It's going to be Biden / Harris

Law and Order Hawks.

[Hortensis]

66. Wonderful that the kids you see are so positive and motivated,

Malchickiwick and so encouraging to hear. I hate that our (younger) grandchildren are growing up with this period of division and fear as their norm, but of course orientation toward comity or hostility come first from within. They're good kids, though. And it sounds like your kids probably got the right stuff from you both ways, from within and without.

[Cha]

81. Time to Kick this

Again!