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Tue May 14, 2019, 02:19 PM

 

I'm getting bashed for posting what I hear from millennials, see more below the video:

If I were to vote in a presidential
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lambchopp59 May 2019 OP
msongs May 2019 #1
lambchopp59 May 2019 #2
ehrnst May 2019 #49
Hortensis May 2019 #50
ehrnst May 2019 #3
Cuthbert Allgood May 2019 #26
obamanut2012 May 2019 #30
lambchopp59 May 2019 #38
ehrnst May 2019 #45
ehrnst May 2019 #41
ehrnst May 2019 #48
stonecutter357 May 2019 #4
lambchopp59 May 2019 #11
stonecutter357 May 2019 #35
watoos May 2019 #56
ehrnst May 2019 #42
left-of-center2012 May 2019 #5
Skittles May 2019 #34
ehrnst May 2019 #43
Demsrule86 May 2019 #6
hlthe2b May 2019 #7
lambchopp59 May 2019 #10
ehrnst May 2019 #54
Cha May 2019 #8
lambchopp59 May 2019 #9
BannonsLiver May 2019 #13
lambchopp59 May 2019 #14
BannonsLiver May 2019 #24
ehrnst May 2019 #44
cwydro May 2019 #21
RelativelyJones May 2019 #29
ehrnst May 2019 #53
ehrnst May 2019 #52
NYMinute May 2019 #12
Celerity May 2019 #27
Cuthbert Allgood May 2019 #28
ehrnst May 2019 #55
MineralMan May 2019 #15
lambchopp59 May 2019 #17
MineralMan May 2019 #18
MineralMan May 2019 #20
lunasun May 2019 #33
lambchopp59 May 2019 #40
ehrnst May 2019 #47
lambchopp59 May 2019 #39
WeekiWater May 2019 #23
ehrnst May 2019 #46
lambchopp59 May 2019 #16
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Response to lambchopp59 (Original post)

Tue May 14, 2019, 02:21 PM

1. you forgot the "more below the video" part nt

 

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Tue May 14, 2019, 02:28 PM

2. I'm referring to the inevitable bashing comments that will follow

 

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Response to lambchopp59 (Reply #2)

Wed May 15, 2019, 06:58 AM

49. Setting up that strawman right off the bat....

 

equating anyone who points out that Pakman is anti-Democrat with "bashing" him because he's "young," and he's "left."

And your responses prove it.

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Response to lambchopp59 (Reply #2)

Wed May 15, 2019, 07:02 AM

50. We're seeing a pattern of claims of bashing,

 

most preludes to not just bashing Biden or the vast mainstream coalition but the basic functions of representative democracies themselves.

Just WHERE is this divisive and destructive poison, claiming a determination to work with Republicans to achieve common ground, is not just impossible but immoral originating?

Its sources can only be our enemies foreign and and domestic who are determined to destroy our democracy. Because creating divisions so hostile that democracy cannot function is how itís done.
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Response to lambchopp59 (Original post)

Tue May 14, 2019, 02:30 PM

3. David Pakman Show? On DU?

 

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #3)

Tue May 14, 2019, 04:10 PM

26. Progressives aren't allowed?

 

Or is he too young?
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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #26)

Tue May 14, 2019, 04:22 PM

30. He gives a large platform to wingnut extremists

 

I am personally not a fan because of that. They have Stormfront for that.
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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #30)

Wed May 15, 2019, 05:21 AM

38. Way out of line comment.

 

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Response to lambchopp59 (Reply #38)

Wed May 15, 2019, 06:44 AM

45. Why so defensive? His own home station says that.

 

TDPS is a news and political talk program, known for controversial interviews with political and religious extremists, liberal and conservative politicians, and other guests. TDPS has been involved in a number of controversies involving homophobic and racist guests. The program focuses on the politics and news of the day, technology and energy development, business, religion and other topics. TDPS airs on both radio and television affiliates around the US and across the world.


https://kkrn.org/shows/the-david-pakman-show

He's more leftwing shockjock than "youth energizer."

Look a bit farther than wikipedia next time.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #26)

Wed May 15, 2019, 06:55 AM

48. "known for controversial interviews with political and religious extremists"

 

TDPS is a news and political talk program, known for controversial interviews with political and religious extremists, liberal and conservative politicians, and other guests. TDPS has been involved in a number of controversies involving homophobic and racist guests. The program focuses on the politics and news of the day, technology and energy development, business, religion and other topics. TDPS airs on both radio and television affiliates around the US and across the world.


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Response to lambchopp59 (Original post)

Tue May 14, 2019, 02:30 PM

4. lol David Pakman ?

 

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #4)

Tue May 14, 2019, 03:14 PM

11. There it is.

 

Dismiss the left, alienate the youth.
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Response to lambchopp59 (Reply #11)

Tue May 14, 2019, 09:34 PM

35. Dismiss the left ? I'm part of the left why would i Dismiss it ?

 

alienate the youth . what youth ?
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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #35)

Wed May 15, 2019, 07:45 AM

56. The millenials who didn't vote for president in 2016

 

68 chapters of College Democrats are urging voters not to donate to the DCCC.
These young people are some of the party's key organizers and activists. These people helped flip 40 House seats.
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Response to lambchopp59 (Reply #11)

Wed May 15, 2019, 06:40 AM

42. David Pakman is "THE left" now and "THE youth?"

 

Last edited Wed May 15, 2019, 07:15 AM - Edit history (1)

So if one brings up Pakman's bashing of Democrats and giving a platform to extremists, one is therefore "bashing youth and THE left."

You set up that strawman in your OP.... and now no one is defending it.

TDPS is a news and political talk program, known for controversial interviews with political and religious extremists, liberal and conservative politicians, and other guests. TDPS has been involved in a number of controversies involving homophobic and racist guests. The program focuses on the politics and news of the day, technology and energy development, business, religion and other topics. TDPS airs on both radio and television affiliates around the US and across the world.


https://kkrn.org/shows/the-david-pakman-show
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Response to lambchopp59 (Original post)

Tue May 14, 2019, 02:32 PM

5. The David Pakman Show ...

 

ď... a progressive/left-wing/liberal talk radio programĒ

And doesnít like Biden?

Iím shocked, not!
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #5)

Tue May 14, 2019, 04:48 PM

34. not everyone likes Biden

 

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #5)

Wed May 15, 2019, 06:41 AM

43. He trashes Democrats. He invites racist and homophobic guests. DU isn't the place.

 

Last edited Wed May 15, 2019, 07:16 AM - Edit history (1)

Unless something's changed recently.

Ben Shapiro's a "youth" as well, and FoxNews pushes many of the same hit jobs on Democrats that they think have a chance.




TDPS is a news and political talk program, known for controversial interviews with political and religious extremists, liberal and conservative politicians, and other guests. TDPS has been involved in a number of controversies involving homophobic and racist guests. The program focuses on the politics and news of the day, technology and energy development, business, religion and other topics. TDPS airs on both radio and television affiliates around the US and across the world.


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Response to lambchopp59 (Original post)

Tue May 14, 2019, 02:34 PM

6. And? Is it a surprise we its what has been posted?

 

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Response to lambchopp59 (Original post)

Tue May 14, 2019, 02:35 PM

7. If understanding (or lack thereof) is correlated with age, please explain Young Conservatives, alt R

 

and younger conservative politicos. What? age doesn't matter with conservatives, only liberal progressives?

Of course, understanding is a two-way street. When one gauges the ability to perceive and similarly conclude based solely on age then perhaps the question should be how young Republicans and youngish conservatives can fail to be more "clued in".
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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #7)

Tue May 14, 2019, 03:13 PM

10. They voted for who represented the most departure from lukewarm, status quo.

 

No matter how mistaken they were.
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Response to lambchopp59 (Reply #10)

Wed May 15, 2019, 07:17 AM

54. Shockjocks are also status quo....

 

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Response to lambchopp59 (Original post)

Tue May 14, 2019, 02:35 PM

8. I don't see anyone "bashing" you..

 

I posted this to you.. Is that what you call "bashing"?


https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=117771
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Response to Cha (Reply #8)

Tue May 14, 2019, 03:10 PM

9. Meant as a deflection as well as somewhat tongue in cheek, so far it's worked.

 

You posted this in another thread in answer to my post, reflecting on what I hear from many youths at my job.
One Biden supporter lambasted to me: "You need new friends"...
LOL-- so, quit my job, move elsewhere due to the local youths. Ahem...
Plain and simply, in my area, the youths just simply aren't excited with Biden. Most still either wrote in Bernie or just sat out the election, and.... here we are.
I'm going on 60, and fully aware of Joe Biden's environmental stance, damn proud that he was outspoken on this.
The youths, at least those near me, see a lukewarm candidate, more of the same middle of the road fence straddling "please everyone" candidate they simply aren't excited about. Another older adult figure telling them "everything will be okay with a little progression of the status quo".
He doesn't represent them.


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Response to lambchopp59 (Reply #9)

Tue May 14, 2019, 03:19 PM

13. You realize that actual data trumps your anecdotal experiences, right?

 

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #13)

Tue May 14, 2019, 03:29 PM

14. And I hope it's correct, because I fear another 4 years of Trump more than anything

 

Certainly don't want the Dem's to repeat a disastrous mistake, based on the 2016 polling data that... whoops.
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Response to lambchopp59 (Reply #14)

Tue May 14, 2019, 04:06 PM

24. The polling data in 2016 was within the MOE nationally and in key swing states.

 

What Cha posted is well outside the MOE.
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Response to lambchopp59 (Reply #14)

Wed May 15, 2019, 06:42 AM

44. "Hope" is not data.(nt)

 

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Response to lambchopp59 (Reply #9)

Tue May 14, 2019, 03:54 PM

21. "Youths?"

 

Interesting.
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Response to cwydro (Reply #21)

Tue May 14, 2019, 04:18 PM

29. +1

 

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Response to cwydro (Reply #21)

Wed May 15, 2019, 07:09 AM

53. yutes.

 

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Response to lambchopp59 (Reply #9)

Wed May 15, 2019, 07:08 AM

52. More like a straw man, as your responses show. (nt)

 

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Response to lambchopp59 (Original post)

Tue May 14, 2019, 03:18 PM

12. You realize David Parkman is a socialist don't you? nt

 

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Response to NYMinute (Reply #12)

Tue May 14, 2019, 04:11 PM

27. LOLOL

 

Nice conflation of socialism with social democracy (perfect example of the latter being the Nordic countries, which have very robust, and yet also highly regulated, capitalist economies combined with a vibrant welfare state). They also have far greater upward social mobility than the US (the only country with worse upward social mobility in the OECD than the US is the UK.) Far less wealth inequality (and I mean FAR less) than the US as well.

You really should do some basic research before you post pablum.


Why I'm Not a Socialist

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Response to NYMinute (Reply #12)

Tue May 14, 2019, 04:11 PM

28. ermahgerd

 

NOT THE SOCIALIZTS!!!11!!
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Response to NYMinute (Reply #12)

Wed May 15, 2019, 07:18 AM

55. Has racist and homophobic guests...

 

TDPS is a news and political talk program, known for controversial interviews with political and religious extremists, liberal and conservative politicians, and other guests. TDPS has been involved in a number of controversies involving homophobic and racist guests. The program focuses on the politics and news of the day, technology and energy development, business, religion and other topics. TDPS airs on both radio and television affiliates around the US and across the world.


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Response to lambchopp59 (Original post)

Tue May 14, 2019, 03:30 PM

15. David Pakman? Really?

 

He's the H. A. Goodman of the 2020 election.

Someone else was posting those videos recently, but I haven't seen that screen name for a while.
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Response to MineralMan (Reply #15)

Tue May 14, 2019, 03:36 PM

17. Bashing the messenger isn't helping

 

What's your strategy to energize the youth vote?
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Response to lambchopp59 (Reply #17)

Tue May 14, 2019, 03:44 PM

18. Do I need one?

 

OK. They should vote. That's my strategy for them. They should show up and vote in every election and demonstrate that they matter, electorally.

They should vote however they want to vote. Right now, as it happens, Joe Biden is doing well with younger people. If he becomes the nominee, as I think is very, very likely, they can vote for him, or they can vote for Trump, or they can vote for some Green Party loser. It's up to them.

And here's the thing: If they do show up and vote in percentages over 50%, they will get noticed and they'll get catered to in the next election cycle. Right now, they make up a small percentage of the overall vote, so they're not being catered to so much.

They're unreliable voters. Unless things are just right for them, they stay home. Many stay home anyhow.

So, I encourage younger people to vote in numbers that get attention. When and if they do that, they'll have more clout.

Guess what, the younger voters especially don't show up to vote in primary elections, at least not here in Minnesota. So, those who do show up get to choose the general election candidates. You know who turns out in high percentages? Baby Boomers. That's who.

So, my strategy for younger voters is: Show up at the polling place. Make your wishes known by voting. You'll be amazed!
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Response to lambchopp59 (Reply #17)

Tue May 14, 2019, 03:51 PM

20. So, do you remember H. A. Goodman?

 

How about "The Sane Progressive?"

They were the equivalent of your David Pakman in the 2016 cycle. Where are they now?

I see that Pakman is doing well, though. The video you posted is monetized with 2, count 'em 2, ads on YouTube.

For that matter, where have you been since 2016? You have not been posting here until just recently. I'm just curious.
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Tue May 14, 2019, 04:36 PM

33. Journal Archives for lambchopp59 is available to star members

 

Of course this would only include posts started and entered in the journal
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Response to lunasun (Reply #33)

Wed May 15, 2019, 05:42 AM

40. lambchopp59 replaced nightscanner59 from before the 2016 hacking.

 

I actually joined DU during Bush II, on a link to the Top 10 conservative idiots.
I have reasons for abandoning that handle having nothing to do with DU.
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Response to lunasun (Reply #33)

Wed May 15, 2019, 06:48 AM

47. Things that make you go Hmmmm. (nt)

 

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #20)

Wed May 15, 2019, 05:40 AM

39. lambchopp59 replaced nightscanner59 from before the 2016 hacking.

 

Also replacing an email address that got me "typecast".
H.A. Goodman made the same point I'm hearing from the "Bernie or bust" youths. They inadvertently elected Trump.
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Response to lambchopp59 (Reply #17)

Tue May 14, 2019, 04:01 PM

23. My strategy is not to promote HA Goodman 2.0

 

Democratic bashing videos.

At least thatís a part of my strategy.

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Response to lambchopp59 (Reply #17)

Wed May 15, 2019, 06:47 AM

46. David Pakman is the "only messenger to youth?" The ONLY one who can energize the Youth?

 

And if someone points out that he gives a platform to extremists on the left and right, then they owe you a "plan to reach the youth?"

Looks like no one's defending that straw man you set up.

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Response to lambchopp59 (Original post)

Tue May 14, 2019, 03:48 PM

19. David Pakman...

 




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Response to lambchopp59 (Original post)

Tue May 14, 2019, 03:59 PM

22. HA Goodman 2.0. NT

 

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Response to lambchopp59 (Original post)

Tue May 14, 2019, 04:08 PM

25. ...

 

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Response to lambchopp59 (Original post)

Tue May 14, 2019, 04:32 PM

31. Progressives used to be well represented on DU

 

Have they been driven off?
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Tue May 14, 2019, 10:39 PM

36. .

 

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Response to lambchopp59 (Original post)

Tue May 14, 2019, 04:33 PM

32. Oh, geez, this should titled "What David Packman doesn't get about politics."

 

Sometimes I wonder if these otherwise intelligent pundits even know how politics works.

It's not the fact that Hillary wasn't far left that sank her. It's not that she was fairly centrist. In fact, she won by almost 3 million votes, more than any white man in history. Trump squeaked by with what, a hundred thousand votes distributed in a handful of swing states And with the treasonous help of the Russians. And the fact that Hillary has been lied about for 30 years.

DP, it's about broad appeal, and the Electoral college. Biden is NOT HRC in any way. He's male and hasn't been lied about like HRC was for decades. Yes, 2016 was about sexism and racism. Biden won't suffer either.

As much as DP would like it to be something else, a helluva lot of Americans are not far left. They may like far left ideas, but they won't admit being socialist or vote for one. I think a far left candidate is automatically doomed. I know that's changing with the new generations but it hasn't yet, and the kids still aren't voting as consistently as older people. I'm not even 40 yet, but I know you have to consider the EC.

And you can't address any of our concerns about climate, sexism, woman's rights, wealth inequality, our standing in the world, or violence, as long as you have Trump in power. That IS job one.

Maybe I should start a Vlog or Podcast of my own. Or my uncle should. He's brilliant. I'm too busy with my significant other, really.


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Response to lambchopp59 (Original post)

Tue May 14, 2019, 10:40 PM

37. I agree with him. A centrist is not what we need to defeat The orange blob.

 

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Response to lambchopp59 (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 07:02 AM

51. LOL HILLARY CLINTON CENTRIST

 

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Response to lambchopp59 (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 08:11 AM

57. You're not wrong about the millennials.

 

I understand your point and any doubters just need to head over to Politics-Reddit, click open a Biden thread, and read what these young people are saying.

My boys are 27 and 30. They are college educated, politically aware men. They'll vote for Biden if he's the nominee but they see him as part of the problem, not the answer to the problem.
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