Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumOn 'Meet the Press' today Bernie Sanders repeatedly slammed the "Democratic establishment"
What is a casual viewer supposed to get out of that?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dalton99a
(81,455 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
riverine
(516 posts)I looked on the MTP web site only.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
honest.abe
(8,677 posts)It is very unfortunate he decided to run. His presence will only hurt us.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)one that would be over by the primaries.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
moonscape
(4,673 posts)made him run 3rd party though and that would have been even worse.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,968 posts)campaign can generate much more excitement than Biden's. He's dropping in the polls, losing support to both Biden and Warren.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)I only support true members of the Democratic Party.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Baclava
(12,047 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,674 posts)Pot, meet kettle...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)And it ain't good.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
vlyons
(10,252 posts)"establishment Dem" -- is that code for rich liberal Dems with big bucks? Is that code for white liberal privilege? Or do we supply our own subjective definition of what he means? I am well aware that the Dem party has stumbled a few times. Most notably in my lifetime, LBJ's war in Vietnam. And too often, we have succumbed to the GOP's twisted agenda of "law n order."
I don't need to hear a Dem candidate slamming my party. What I need to hear are positive policy proposals for fixing what's broken and unjust in my country.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
riverine
(516 posts)"We took on the entire Democratic establishment, we took on the Democratic National Committee, we took on every Democratic governor, we took on every Democratic mayor"
He is burning bridges as fast as he can.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dalton99a
(81,455 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatSeg
(47,399 posts)How many Democratic votes does he think he will win with such a strategy? He is rapidly becoming his own best enemy.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)They're certainly good for that. Signing the Unity Pledge (or any pledge) meant nothing to him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Beakybird
(3,332 posts)Two of his top hires voted for Jill Stein.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,143 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,674 posts)I'm gonna puke. How is a guy who's been a career politician for some 40 years - about the same amount of time as Joe Biden - not part of the "establishment"? He drops into the Democratic party when it's advantageous for him and then proceeds to crap all over it, basically shitting in his own nest, even if it's a temporary nest. He needs to take off his Che t-shirt and stop pretending he's like a member of the SDS or something and acknowledge that he's just as much an "establishment" guy as the rest of them. I supported him in 2016 but I'm so over him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Docreed2003
(16,858 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Hes long since passed tiresome in my opinion.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)That should be the first question or the rest makes no sense.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,154 posts)would be asking BS that.. right after he slammed the Democratic Party to try and build himself up.
Link to tweet
The Democratic Party that won the BlueWave Midterms in 2018..
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)As a prosecutor would say in a closing argument
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We have the motive, the means, the opportunity and the smoking gun
...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Docreed2003
(16,858 posts)Last edited Sun May 19, 2019, 11:36 AM - Edit history (1)
How do these attacks bring about changes in the Democratic Party that he so desperately claims to desire?
This type of divisive rhetoric from Sanders is exactly what many warned and were worried about whenever he announced his '20 campaign.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DavidDvorkin
(19,473 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)And hell go to his grave as an angry old man
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mopinko
(70,081 posts)yes, it will make him a martyr. again.
but i think that dog is too old to hunt.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
trueblue2007
(17,205 posts)i FEEL BECAUSE OF MY BELIEFS.... HE EVEN BASHES ME. If Bernie knew me, he'd probably dislike me.
He holds lots of negativity in himself I feel.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Its mutual.
Im never fooled that the attacks on the people We vote for do not also indicate his very delusional and unjust contempt for us.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,154 posts)but hopefully this will be his last run against the Democratic Party("his Opponents" for potus.
Bernie: My Opponents Want Black, White, Gay, Latino or Women Candidates Regardless of What They Stand For
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211722251
Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Me.
(35,454 posts)He's a sitting Senator and has been for years, he is the Establishment. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)MADDENING
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,968 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)FUCK
FUCK
FUCK
ps
Saw Paula Poundstone show recently and she made a PLEA to us that since the UN scientists ALL say either we reverse our emissions by 2030 or we wil NOT be able to save the human race, that even our candidates who say something about 2050 being the date is too late.
She is AWESOME by the way and GOD DAMN FUNNY
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Paladin
(28,252 posts)Now more than ever.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
katmondoo
(6,454 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Terry_M
(745 posts)is not a complete copy/paste of the party from 20, 30, 50 years ago - the issues of focus change, even if some of the core stances stay the same (and core stances drift too). And that in his view, the stances of people in key party leadership positions (establishment) are not in the right place on those core focuses and stances as compared to where he thinks the party should be based on what he thinks is important to voters. So the establishment is 'wrong' and some more evolving needs to occur.
That's my read.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Sanders actions over the past 30 years are virtually entirely in line with those realities.
Only his rhetoric is not.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dlk
(11,552 posts)Its not rational in my book.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cwydro
(51,308 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)his attitude is why 2016 turned out the way it did
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)and see what drives them.
Bernie is a true progressive
Bernie was first
Bernie moved others to the left
Bernie this Bernie that Yada yada yada.
I don't see any supporters of other candidates needing to make up stories like bernie folks do. It is an aggressive attitude that turns people off.
He's going to transform America, trump will make America great. Well I don't want bernie's America nor trumps America.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hav
(5,969 posts)It's always pitting one group against the other, you against them and it makes it harder to come together again after the primaries. The result of that toxic strategy could be seen in 2016 and with that knowledge it's interesting that one would willingly go down that road again.
"Establishment" seems to have become a buzzword thrown out for his followers to get mad about. This is exactly what Trump does.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LuvLoogie
(6,992 posts)running third party in the general. It seems he is even more anti-Dem than 2016.
We'll never be good enough.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Cha
(297,154 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,369 posts)Good. No pity here.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)He does not seem to take losing well. I anticipate that he will be lukewarm at fully embracing the 2020 nominee, that is the sad part.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Politicub
(12,165 posts)I volunteer to work on democratic campaigns. I guess that makes me part of the unwashed establishment.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,154 posts)That BS needs to tear down those made it possible for us to claim a Democratic House Victory in 2018.. in order to build himself up.
Is it any wonder he's down in the polls?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)herself. This is so important on the global stage and during times of crisis domestically. Firmness and resolve is more convincing when it seems unencumbered by emotionalized anger and personal grudge.
Obamas ability to communicate with America, and our allies and foes alike, in a manner conveying
civility but strength is something I sorely miss.
I dont think Bernie Sanders does himself or his causes any favors when he appears to disparage
the party establishment.
His down with the establishment attitude in general can be viewed as immature. The establishment never gets dismantled in American politics. It is changed from within and then with skillful negotiation, and by unifying diverse coalitions.
Is Bernie building or just tearing down?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)a wannabe populist leader, of course the answer must be tearing down. Cant have a revolution without breaking the establishment, and populism is all about breaking the establishment.
Interestingly, I read recently that populists, defined by resentment to elites, perversely choose their leaders from among the elites, only ones who are rejected by other elites, outsider elites. Both Sanders and Trump fit that to a T.
Immature thinking. Certainly cant disagree with that word.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)To be better serve the people it supposedly represents?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)Some criticisms, yes, but nothing mean spirited.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,154 posts)Party than in 50 years during the Blue Wave Midterms.. that BS remarked he.. ".. didn't see coming.." btw.
We don't need BS pointing his finger at us.. he needs to work on his own self.
Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,154 posts)Sirota, Grey, and Turner cheering from the sidelines.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden