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Sun May 19, 2019, 10:33 AM

 

On 'Meet the Press' today Bernie Sanders repeatedly slammed the "Democratic establishment"

What is a casual viewer supposed to get out of that?
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riverine May 2019 OP
dalton99a May 2019 #1
riverine May 2019 #24
honest.abe May 2019 #2
LongtimeAZDem May 2019 #41
moonscape May 2019 #52
highplainsdem May 2019 #3
George II May 2019 #4
DownriverDem May 2019 #5
Kahuna7 May 2019 #6
Baclava May 2019 #19
The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #20
Hortensis May 2019 #56
Honeycombe8 May 2019 #7
DemocratSinceBirth May 2019 #8
vlyons May 2019 #9
riverine May 2019 #21
dalton99a May 2019 #26
PatSeg May 2019 #44
NastyRiffraff May 2019 #48
Hortensis May 2019 #55
Beakybird May 2019 #10
comradebillyboy May 2019 #14
The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #11
Docreed2003 May 2019 #18
cwydro May 2019 #46
TreasonousBastard May 2019 #12
R B Garr May 2019 #13
Cha May 2019 #54
Hortensis May 2019 #57
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Docreed2003 May 2019 #16
DavidDvorkin May 2019 #17
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LongtimeAZDem May 2019 #23
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Hortensis May 2019 #58
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Me. May 2019 #25
Eliot Rosewater May 2019 #27
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LongtimeAZDem May 2019 #43
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Paladin May 2019 #28
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Response to riverine (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2019, 10:35 AM

1. Video:

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/sanders-it-s-not-good-enough-just-defeat-trump-2020-n1007466
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Response to dalton99a (Reply #1)

Sun May 19, 2019, 11:07 AM

24. thanks. NBC had it.

 

I looked on the MTP web site only.
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Response to riverine (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2019, 10:40 AM

2. I think any viewer would assume he means Democrats suck.. unless they are pseudo Dems like himself.

 

It is very unfortunate he decided to run. His presence will only hurt us.
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Response to honest.abe (Reply #2)

Sun May 19, 2019, 11:48 AM

41. He should not have been allowed to do so; it would have caused a crapstorm at the start, but

 

one that would be over by the primaries.

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Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #41)

Mon May 20, 2019, 01:45 AM

52. Locking him out might have

 

made him run 3rd party though and that would have been even worse.
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Response to riverine (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2019, 10:41 AM

3. That Sanders was never in this to help the Democratic Party. And it's crap that his

 

campaign can generate much more excitement than Biden's. He's dropping in the polls, losing support to both Biden and Warren.
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Response to riverine (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2019, 10:41 AM

4. And he brags about being the first to sign the so-called "Unity pledge".

 

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Response to riverine (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2019, 10:41 AM

5. My Support

 

I only support true members of the Democratic Party.
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Response to riverine (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2019, 10:43 AM

6. Of course. In Bernie speak: Establishment equal Joe Biden. nt

 

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Response to Kahuna7 (Reply #6)

Sun May 19, 2019, 11:03 AM

19. ding, ding....it's Bernie's schtick, he needs someone to wag his finger at to be relevant

 

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Response to Kahuna7 (Reply #6)

Sun May 19, 2019, 11:03 AM

20. Career politician Bernie Sanders calls career politician Joe Biden part of the "establishment"?

 

Pot, meet kettle...
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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #20)

Mon May 20, 2019, 08:15 AM

56. :) Or in Berniespeak, Tweedledum meet Tweedledee.

 

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Response to riverine (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2019, 10:44 AM

7. I know what I make of it.

 

And it ain't good.
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Response to riverine (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2019, 10:45 AM

8. He doesn't like us at all.

 

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Response to riverine (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2019, 10:46 AM

9. What I get is to vote for someone else

 

"establishment Dem" -- is that code for rich liberal Dems with big bucks? Is that code for white liberal privilege? Or do we supply our own subjective definition of what he means? I am well aware that the Dem party has stumbled a few times. Most notably in my lifetime, LBJ's war in Vietnam. And too often, we have succumbed to the GOP's twisted agenda of "law n order."

I don't need to hear a Dem candidate slamming my party. What I need to hear are positive policy proposals for fixing what's broken and unjust in my country.
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Response to vlyons (Reply #9)

Sun May 19, 2019, 11:06 AM

21. in the video linked above he gets more specific

 

"We took on the entire Democratic establishment, we took on the Democratic National Committee, we took on every Democratic governor, we took on every Democratic mayor"

He is burning bridges as fast as he can.
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Response to riverine (Reply #21)

Sun May 19, 2019, 11:11 AM

26. +1. Democrats are his enemies

 




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Response to riverine (Reply #21)

Sun May 19, 2019, 12:23 PM

44. It would appear so

 

How many Democratic votes does he think he will win with such a strategy? He is rapidly becoming his own best enemy.
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Response to riverine (Reply #21)

Sun May 19, 2019, 02:24 PM

48. He's using resources of the evil DNC and the "establishment"

 

They're certainly good for that. Signing the Unity Pledge (or any pledge) meant nothing to him.
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Response to riverine (Reply #21)

Mon May 20, 2019, 08:13 AM

55. A very revealing and self-defining quote!

 

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Response to riverine (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2019, 10:47 AM

10. His surrogates are even more divisive.

 

Two of his top hires voted for Jill Stein.
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Response to Beakybird (Reply #10)

Sun May 19, 2019, 10:51 AM

14. Only two?

 

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Response to riverine (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2019, 10:47 AM

11. Bernie is stuck in the '60s. If I hear the word "establishment" from him one more time

 

I'm gonna puke. How is a guy who's been a career politician for some 40 years - about the same amount of time as Joe Biden - not part of the "establishment"? He drops into the Democratic party when it's advantageous for him and then proceeds to crap all over it, basically shitting in his own nest, even if it's a temporary nest. He needs to take off his Che t-shirt and stop pretending he's like a member of the SDS or something and acknowledge that he's just as much an "establishment" guy as the rest of them. I supported him in 2016 but I'm so over him.
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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #11)

Sun May 19, 2019, 11:01 AM

18. +1

 

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #11)

Sun May 19, 2019, 01:36 PM

46. This.

 

He’s long since passed tiresome in my opinion.
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Response to riverine (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2019, 10:48 AM

12. "Fool me once..."?

 

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Response to riverine (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2019, 10:48 AM

13. Was he asked why he's dropping so hard in the polls?

 

That should be the first question or the rest makes no sense.
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Response to R B Garr (Reply #13)

Mon May 20, 2019, 03:03 AM

54. Exactly.. any reporter worth their salt

 

would be asking BS that.. right after he slammed the Democratic Party to try and build himself up.


The Democratic Party that won the BlueWave Midterms in 2018..

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #13)

Mon May 20, 2019, 08:18 AM

57. As you say. He's failing and thus flailing.

 

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Response to riverine (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2019, 10:56 AM

15. Doe anyone need any more proof?

 

As a prosecutor would say in a closing argument ….

We have the motive, the means, the opportunity and the smoking gun ……...
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Response to riverine (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2019, 10:56 AM

16. I seriously question his motivation for these types of attacks

 

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How do these attacks bring about changes in the Democratic Party that he so desperately claims to desire?

This type of divisive rhetoric from Sanders is exactly what many warned and were worried about whenever he announced his '20 campaign.
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Response to riverine (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2019, 10:58 AM

17. What I get is that his own internal polling must be even worse than four years ago.

 

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Response to riverine (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2019, 11:06 AM

22. 'He struggles to bleed as he hangs on his cross'

 

And he’ll go to his grave as an angry old man’
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Response to riverine (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2019, 11:07 AM

23. And once gain, I will renew my call to Tom Perez, the DNC National Chair, to disqualify him

 

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Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #23)

Sun May 19, 2019, 11:47 AM

39. bar him from the debates.

 

yes, it will make him a martyr. again.
but i think that dog is too old to hunt.
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Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #23)

Mon May 20, 2019, 01:38 AM

51. i do also. i don't see his as a Democrat candidate. He just does nothing but bash us and them.

 

i FEEL BECAUSE OF MY BELIEFS.... HE EVEN BASHES ME. If Bernie knew me, he'd probably dislike me.
He holds lots of negativity in himself I feel.
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Response to trueblue2007 (Reply #51)

Mon May 20, 2019, 08:31 AM

58. :) For sure. I know he despises me.

 

It’s mutual.

I’m never fooled that the attacks on the people We vote for do not also indicate his very delusional and unjust contempt for us.
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Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #23)

Tue May 21, 2019, 05:39 PM

69. That's not gonna happen..

 

but hopefully this will be his last run against the Democratic Party("his Opponents" for potus.

Bernie: ‘My Opponents’ Want Black, White, Gay, Latino or Women Candidates ‘Regardless of What They Stand For

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211722251


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Response to riverine (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2019, 11:09 AM

25. That He's Not To Be Trusted

 

He's a sitting Senator and has been for years, he is the Establishment. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.
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Response to riverine (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2019, 11:12 AM

27. Let me know when we can talk about the REAL bernie, until then this is a waste of time and

 

MADDENING
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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #27)

Sun May 19, 2019, 11:22 AM

33. ???? How is discussing what Sanders said NOT talking about "the REAL bernie"?

 

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #27)

Sun May 19, 2019, 12:06 PM

43. I know what you meant to say, but that was perhaps a little too "under the radar"

 

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Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #43)

Mon May 20, 2019, 12:46 PM

63. We are about to lose our country and we cant TELL THE TRUTH about you know who

 

FUCK

FUCK

FUCK



ps

Saw Paula Poundstone show recently and she made a PLEA to us that since the UN scientists ALL say either we reverse our emissions by 2030 or we wil NOT be able to save the human race, that even our candidates who say something about 2050 being the date is too late.

She is AWESOME by the way and GOD DAMN FUNNY
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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #63)

Mon May 20, 2019, 01:06 PM

64. Just remember that posting here probably won't affect anything, even though it's frustrating,

 

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Response to riverine (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2019, 11:13 AM

28. I am sick to death of Bernie.

 

Now more than ever.
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Response to Paladin (Reply #28)

Sun May 19, 2019, 11:20 AM

31. Me too, I just can't take him anymore

 

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Response to riverine (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2019, 11:18 AM

29. That parties evolve and change over time, the democratic party of today

 

is not a complete copy/paste of the party from 20, 30, 50 years ago - the issues of focus change, even if some of the core stances stay the same (and core stances drift too). And that in his view, the stances of people in key party leadership positions (establishment) are not in the right place on those core focuses and stances as compared to where he thinks the party should be based on what he thinks is important to voters. So the establishment is 'wrong' and some more evolving needs to occur.

That's my read.
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Response to Terry_M (Reply #29)

Mon May 20, 2019, 08:37 AM

59. 96% Dem voting rate $174K/year + bennies.

 

Sanders actions over the past 30 years are virtually entirely in line with those realities.

Only his rhetoric is not.
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Response to riverine (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2019, 11:18 AM

30. Call Me Crazy, I Think It's Irrational to Expect Support from an Organization You Refuse to Join

 

It’s not rational in my book.
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Sun May 19, 2019, 11:20 AM

32. Buuut, he wants to run as a Dem, right?

 

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Sun May 19, 2019, 11:41 AM

36. In Bernie's world its always the "establishment" and they must be vilified....

 

his attitude is why 2016 turned out the way it did
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Response to riverine (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2019, 11:42 AM

37. He is like trump in that he does what helps him hold onto his base. Just read the pro bernie posts

 

and see what drives them.


Bernie is a true progressive

Bernie was first

Bernie moved others to the left

Bernie this Bernie that Yada yada yada.

I don't see any supporters of other candidates needing to make up stories like bernie folks do. It is an aggressive attitude that turns people off.


He's going to transform America, trump will make America great. Well I don't want bernie's America nor trumps America.
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Response to wasupaloopa (Reply #37)

Sun May 19, 2019, 11:47 AM

40. It made me think about Trump immediately as well

 

It's always pitting one group against the other, you against them and it makes it harder to come together again after the primaries. The result of that toxic strategy could be seen in 2016 and with that knowledge it's interesting that one would willingly go down that road again.
"Establishment" seems to have become a buzzword thrown out for his followers to get mad about. This is exactly what Trump does.
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Response to riverine (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2019, 11:46 AM

38. He's chumming the MSM for the narrative that he will be justified

 

running third party in the general. It seems he is even more anti-Dem than 2016.

We'll never be good enough.
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Wed May 22, 2019, 10:17 PM

70. Oh yeah..

 

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Sun May 19, 2019, 01:33 PM

45. Bernie is tanking and he is taking it personally

 

Good. No pity here.
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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #45)

Sun May 19, 2019, 11:42 PM

49. When he is losing is when he becomes the most dangerous to progressive policy.

 

He does not seem to take losing well. I anticipate that he will be lukewarm at fully embracing the 2020 nominee, that is the sad part.
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Sun May 19, 2019, 01:49 PM

47. Bernie, if you are listening, I am the establishment, too.

 

I volunteer to work on democratic campaigns. I guess that makes me part of the unwashed establishment.
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Response to riverine (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2019, 01:18 AM

50. "..What are they suppose to get out of that?.."

 

That BS needs to tear down those made it possible for us to claim a Democratic House Victory in 2018.. in order to build himself up.



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Mon May 20, 2019, 02:04 AM

53. I look for a balanced, even, unruffled temperament in a president in her public presentation of

 

herself. This is so important on the global stage and during times of crisis domestically. Firmness and resolve is more convincing when it seems unencumbered by emotionalized anger and personal grudge.
Obama’s ability to communicate with America, and our allies and foes alike, in a manner conveying
civility but strength is something I sorely miss.
I don’t think Bernie Sanders does himself or his causes any favors when he appears to disparage
the party “establishment.”
His “down with the establishment” attitude in general can be viewed as immature. The establishment never gets dismantled in American politics. It is changed from within and then with skillful negotiation, and by unifying diverse coalitions.

Is Bernie building or just tearing down?



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Response to emmaverybo (Reply #53)

Mon May 20, 2019, 08:54 AM

60. As both a wannabe socialist revolutionary and

 

a wannabe populist leader, of course the answer must be tearing down. Can’t have a revolution without breaking the establishment, and populism is all about breaking the establishment.

Interestingly, I read recently that populists, defined by resentment to “elites,” perversely choose their leaders from among the elites, only ones who are rejected by other elites, “outsider elites.” Both Sanders and Trump fit that to a T.

Immature thinking. Certainly can’t disagree with that word.
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Response to Hortensis (Reply #60)

Mon May 20, 2019, 02:13 PM

65. Very interesting. nt

 

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Response to riverine (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2019, 08:56 AM

61. Bernie is lashing out - things aren't going his way

 

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Response to riverine (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2019, 11:02 AM

62. That maybe there are things the Democratic party can work on

 

To be better serve the people it supposedly represents?
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Response to riverine (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2019, 02:26 PM

66. Can you quote the parts that were "slams"? I didn't really hear much.

 


Some criticisms, yes, but nothing mean spirited.
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Response to riverine (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2019, 09:39 PM

67. More Millions Voted for the Democratic

 

Party than in 50 years during the Blue Wave Midterms.. that BS remarked he.. ".. didn't see coming.." btw.



We don't need BS pointing his finger at us.. he needs to work on his own self.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Response to riverine (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2019, 11:26 PM

68. With jill stein pushers and voters

 

Sirota, Grey, and Turner cheering from the sidelines.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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