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Kamala Harris: We need to start impeachment proceedings. It's our constitutional obligation.

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What Robert Mueller basically did was return an impeachment referral. Now it is up to Congress to hold this president accountable.

We need to start impeachment proceedings. It's our constitutional obligation.

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Reply Kamala Harris: We need to start impeachment proceedings. It's our constitutional obligation. (Original post)
Celerity May 2019 OP
redstatebluegirl May 2019 #1
cab67 May 2019 #2
Celerity May 2019 #3
hedda_foil May 2019 #4
trev May 2019 #7
hedda_foil May 2019 #17
CrispyQ May 2019 #6
BeckyDem May 2019 #5
oldsoftie May 2019 #8
Skya Rhen May 2019 #11
oldsoftie May 2019 #13
FailureToCommunicate May 2019 #9
Baclava May 2019 #10
.99center May 2019 #15
Aaron Pereira May 2019 #12
Baclava May 2019 #14
Aaron Pereira May 2019 #18
Celerity May 2019 #20
Honeycombe8 May 2019 #16
Politicub May 2019 #19

Response to Celerity (Original post)

Wed May 29, 2019, 02:04 PM

1. All of you who want impeachment now, how will you feel if we lose the house and the White House?

 

2020 could be a dicey election. We cannot impeach without the Senate and they are going to do nothing while they pack the courts with a ton of right wing federalist society people who will park there for 35 years.
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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #1)

Wed May 29, 2019, 02:13 PM

2. I've got mixed feelings about it for this reason.

 

The flip side, of course, is that Trump could win in 2020 without an impeachment. How would Democrats look then?

No president has deserved impeachment more richly than Trump. Nixon, for all his faults, actually had redeeming qualities; he was skilled at international diplomacy (at least on the large scale) and gave us the EPA. Trump has no redeeming qualities at all, and his crimes are far more extensive. But if there's no chance for success, I worry that it could backfire.

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #1)

Wed May 29, 2019, 02:16 PM

3. 'We cannot impeach without the Senate'

 

You are confusing impeachment with a trial and conviction/removal.

If you go back and look at the foundational documents between the framers, you will find they thought the impeachment process itself is a large punishment.

You also are ignoring that a huge part of the Blue Wave was elected to HOLD TRUMP ACCOUNTABLE (as best we can), it was not only over kitchen table issues.
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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #1)

Wed May 29, 2019, 02:25 PM

4. No president has EVER been convicted in the Senate. The House made the case though.

 

It's imperative for the House to move forward on impeachment. The Senate will leave him in place but badly weakened.
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Response to hedda_foil (Reply #4)

Wed May 29, 2019, 02:37 PM

7. I agree.

 

Impeachment will allow the House to bring in even more evidence, and would expedite the judicial process. It's an obvious--stated--given that the Senate will not convict, and Mueller has said a sitting president cannot be indicted (which I always figured he would do). So are we to sit on our hands and do nothing at all? Of course not. Bring all of his crimes to public light. If the people believe that Mueller has exonerated Trump (and the GOP will continue to say this), then his re-election becomes a very real possibility, maybe even a certainty. We need to keep the pressure up, we need to utterly discredit him, and impeachment is now our only recourse.
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Response to trev (Reply #7)

Wed May 29, 2019, 06:27 PM

17. Exactly.

 

The chances of his being convicted in the Senate are as close to nil as it's possible to get, but he -- and the Republicans can still be exposed and disgraced by the impeachment process in the House alone.

If that doesn't happen, he will win the next election and the Republic will be lost. I'm convinced that failure to impeach will implicate the Democratic party in House in that loss because they, alone, are responsible for holding him accountable.

This is no time for timidity.
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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #1)

Wed May 29, 2019, 02:33 PM

6. 2020 is going to be a dicey election no matter what &

 

they are going to pack the courts no matter what.

Not impeaching feeds the narratives that the dems are weak & that there aren't any differences between the two parties. Voters gave the House to the dems to hold this administration accountable. If the House punts this back to the voters in 2020, there could be a backlash of poor morale & low turnout.

Trump will claim victory no matter what. No conviction in the Senate & he will say he was exonerated. No impeachment investigations at all & he will say even the dems didn't believe he was guilty. We're pretty much damned if we do & damned if we don't.

Considering how compromised our electoral process is, & how corrupt the other side is, I don't know if I could have written the dem party in a worse position.
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Response to Celerity (Original post)

Wed May 29, 2019, 02:29 PM

5. Good for her.

 

K&R
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Response to Celerity (Original post)

Wed May 29, 2019, 02:48 PM

8. 65% of Americans do not support impeachment. That means a lot of non-trump voters say the same.

 

To encourage impeachment proceedings as well as numerous investigations would give ample ammo to trump to say "See, I'M the victim. I'm the underdog"
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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #8)

Wed May 29, 2019, 05:25 PM

11. i agree - impeachment will alienate the swing voters that we need. The polls are in our favor and we

 

do not need to tempt fate...
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Response to Skya Rhen (Reply #11)

Wed May 29, 2019, 05:37 PM

13. Yes.

 

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Response to Celerity (Original post)

Wed May 29, 2019, 05:21 PM

9. It's about damn time to hear Mueller's intent! Far too many weeks wasted thanks to Barr

 

and all the Republican henchmen.

Get on with it!
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Response to Celerity (Original post)

Wed May 29, 2019, 05:24 PM

10. Biden just came out super weak on impeaching, thats a deal breaker for me, bye Joe!

 

Hello Bernie!

Go gettem!
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Response to Baclava (Reply #10)

Wed May 29, 2019, 06:08 PM

15. Did Bernie call for Trump's immediate impeachment?

 

I read that Bernie said he'd support an inquiry if the House deems it necessary, but he didn't call for Trump's impeachment.
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Response to Celerity (Original post)

Wed May 29, 2019, 05:27 PM

12. Finally!

 

This is not an issue of political expediency. It's an obligation that takes principle and guts and she's got it.
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Response to Aaron Pereira (Reply #12)

Wed May 29, 2019, 05:39 PM

14. Harris, Bernie, Liz, Mayor Pete, Booker, Beto and others came out today onboard for impeachment

 

DO IT!
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Response to Baclava (Reply #14)

Wed May 29, 2019, 06:33 PM

18. That makes my day. Glad to see Bernie on board too.

 

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Response to Baclava (Reply #14)

Wed May 29, 2019, 08:34 PM

20. Biden, sorta, now too.

 

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Response to Celerity (Original post)

Wed May 29, 2019, 06:11 PM

16. That's the only thing that's open to us, looks like. n

 

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Response to Celerity (Original post)

Wed May 29, 2019, 07:51 PM

19. What I wouldn't give to see Harris lead the hearing in the senate

 

I know the republicans won't allow it to happen. Harris would shine, though.

I want to see her make Trump twist in the wind and stammer out his words.
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