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Tue Mar 5, 2019, 10:36 AM

 

Beto O'Rourke will win my vote for this one sentence on capitalism and climate change

I'm a capitalist," O'Rourke replied. "I don't see how we're able to meet any of the fundamental challenges that we have as a country without, in part, harnessing the power of the market.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/beto-orourke-differentiates-himself-from-democratic-socialists-11550619044

This is perfect and straight-forward. The most important issue of our time won't be confronted until individuals vote for clean energy with their pocketbooks - not their tax dollars.

Already, this "Green New Deal" is viewed as a Trojan Horse for new entitlement programs.

Climate change solutions must be market driven.
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Reply Beto O'Rourke will win my vote for this one sentence on capitalism and climate change (Original post)
riverine Mar 2019 OP
HopeAgain Mar 2019 #1
riverine Mar 2019 #3
shanny Mar 2019 #12
Brainstormy Mar 2019 #4
workinclasszero Mar 2019 #8
riverine Mar 2019 #9
marylandblue Mar 2019 #2
shanny Mar 2019 #11
Gothmog Mar 2019 #5
dlk Mar 2019 #6
dlk Mar 2019 #7
shanny Mar 2019 #10
riverine Mar 2019 #13
shanny Mar 2019 #14

Response to riverine (Original post)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 10:44 AM

1. The market isn't forward thinking

 

The drive for profits doesn't care about the evironment. The market brought us the automobile cluster- fuck we are now in.
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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 10:49 AM

3. It is forward thinking - it just needs a "nudge" to borrow an Obama era term

 

Subsidies for EVs.

A new grid so that a person can sell their excess solar power to others.

Tax credits for solar, and so on.
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Response to riverine (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 11:29 AM

12. We need a whole lot more than a 2 degree course correction.

 

Yesterday.
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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 10:49 AM

4. Agree!

 

and if we can't breathe, drink water, go outdoors, etc., even the concept of a "market" is meaningless.
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Response to Brainstormy (Reply #4)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 10:54 AM

8. No doubt

 

And we have about 12 year to do something serious about it or...

I somehow think "the market" could give a shit about that.
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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 10:58 AM

9. Cap and Trade is a market

 

Emissions trading, or cap and trade, is a market-based approach to controlling pollution by providing economic incentives for achieving reductions in the emissions of pollutants.


Wikipedia

I don't think Cap and Trade is enough by itself though.
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Response to riverine (Original post)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 10:46 AM

2. Climate change is not amenable to a pure capitalist solution.

 

And when you are dealing with another party that denies the very existence of the problem, no compromise is possible.

I'm starting to have a problem with the terms, capitalist and socialist. Capitalist has come to mean libertarian and socialism now means everything else. Which I consider to be a trojan horse for eliminating entitlements until climate change destroys civilization.
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Response to marylandblue (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 11:28 AM

11. +1

 

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Response to riverine (Original post)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 10:51 AM

5. I like Beto and he is on my list of real Democrats who I can support

 

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Response to riverine (Original post)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 10:54 AM

6. As Elizabeth Warren Has Said, Capitalism without Regulation is Theft

 

Capitalism, with sensible and appropriate regulation, will be the solution.
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Response to riverine (Original post)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 10:54 AM

7. As Elizabeth Warren Has Said, Capitalism without Regulation is Theft

 

Capitalism, with sensible and appropriate regulation will be the solution.
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Response to riverine (Original post)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 11:27 AM

10. That loses mine.

 

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Response to shanny (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 11:39 AM

13. What is your candidate's solution to AGW then? I really want to know.

 

Keep in mind the Green New Deal proposes no solutions at all - just a goal to aspire to.
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Response to riverine (Reply #13)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 11:59 AM

14. Does my (unknown candidate) have a detailed plan yet? No.

 

Do I? Also no. But I do know that government action will be the answer, not the market. That's the same blind alley we've been blundering along and look where it has gotten us. Profit-making endeavors are incapable of dealing with this crisis.
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